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How can this be a religion?

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
Is the prohibition of uprooting the tree in respect toward Freya or toward the tree, or both?

Does, in your opinion, the Mjolnir work for you?
This is how I have come to understand life:

It is about resonance, as if we mortals are metal rods nestled in the sand of a shallow pond. We each have a tone we give off. Our vibrations cause ripples in the pond; this is our impact on the weave of Wyrd in the Middle Garth. People we connect to in our life, have sympathetic vibrations; those we don't like do not.

The Gods live above us, with their own vibrations. If we feel a connection to a God or Goddess or several, our tones are all sympathetic, reaching a kind of harmony.

When the thunder is heard, it IS Thor. His vibration, his actions somewhere else, cause sympathetic ripples here, where we can perceive them in the pond. Just as the elder tree is a reflection of the vibrations of the Froe. They are simultaneous; Thor takes action and the thunder is heard. The thunder rumbles in a cloud, and Thor moves. The actions and their effects are simultaneous, as an electron passing through two slits.
 
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Lind

oh wow, custom user title
Well, I kind of consider these stories MINE.
They are part of MY heritage.

If people wan't to turn my heritage into a religion, I feel entitled to question them.

1. I'm from Norway so it's a part of MY heritage too. I grew up hearing the stories of the old gods too. I got my first Mjølner pendant when I was around eight years old, and as a child I loved reading books on both our own mythology and the mythology of other old faiths in the world. I've also been raised with the tradition of giving a meal to the house elf at christmas. For many years I thought of it all as just stories and traditions, but at least I've been aware that it all origins in an old religious faith. Recently I've seen it more in the religious perspective.
I'm surprised that you are so eager to claim the old mythology in our heritage as yours to decide how it is to be interpreted when you apparently have no idea of what the origin of this heritage that me and you share is. And it seems like I, who am just a teen, knows more about the history of our ancestors and how our heritage came into existance and what it means than what you know of it.

2. Whoa... Have you not paid attention at all in history class and religion class when you went to elementary and middle school?
Nobody is "turning it into" a religion. It already was the religion of our ancestors, who believed in the gods Odin, Thor, Frey, Freya, Frigg, Idunn, etc...
then people converted(or were often forced to convert...) to christianity around year 1000, and nowadays, with the freedom to choose religion, some people now follow the old faith in norse gods again, the same faith mine and your ancestors actually followed.

I sometimes feed the house elf on cristmas eve because it is tradition.
I consider the elder bush/tree to be very special. Traditionally it is a plant which is surrounded by much mystery and magic. Freya supposedly lived in it. You NEVER uproot a elder tree.
When I was 16 I went as an exchange student to Mexico for a year. Before I left my mother gave my a silver hammer (Mjølner, Tors hammer) as a necklace, for protection (I saw it as her wish for me to return to her safely).
... (I could go on)

The above are examples of what I consider part of my cultural heritage, but NOT my religion.

Yeah, ok, so you don't believe in it as a religion, and that is completely ok. Nobody is telling you that you would have to believe in it as a religion, you don't have to worry about that. You might give an offering to the house elf at christmas because it's a fun tradition to you, but not for religious reasons. That's ok. Around the same time, when celebrating Yule, heathens might do a similar an offering to the house spirits and land spirits, with a more serious view on it.
Even if you yourself don't have these traditions as a part of a religious belief, it might be smart for you to be aware that most of these traditions has their origin in the religion of our ancestors, and to accept that there are people nowadays too who believe in that religion.

I will consider the question insulting if somone who consideres this a religion tells me they find it insulting and why, and not before.

I'm not insulted, but I am quite surprised at how you are so critical of the followers of norse mythology when you haven't really researched the origin of the stories you claim as your heritage.

It is nothing wrong with your curiosity about why we have this as a faith, but I am afraid the way that you worded many of your questions might give an impression of arrogance.
 

lunakilo

Well-Known Member
I'm not insulted, but I am quite surprised at how you are so critical of the followers of norse mythology when you haven't really researched the origin of the stories you claim as your heritage.
Not so much critical of the followers as I am mystified that they are followers.

You are right, it was a religion. But when christianity came the religion disappeared and only the stories remained. Now some people have taken it upon themselves to invent a new religion based on those stories, that is what I find strange.
It is nothing wrong with your curiosity about why we have this as a faith, but I am afraid the way that you worded many of your questions might give an impression of arrogance.
I apologize if I am arrogant. I would be lying if I pretended that I don't think of this religion as a bit silly (I may be breaking the forum rules by writing that in a DIR, I am not sure, if so I apologize for that too), but that is part of the reason why I am curious about it.

What I think I am trying to ask is what made you stop seeing the stories as just stories and start to view them from a religious perspective?
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I am Danish.
I grew up hearing stories about the old gods.
Especially the ones about Tor and his travels, they have always been popular.

When I was a child I remember once being in a big thunderstorm.
It was scary.
My mother lifted me up an placed me on her knee and then started telling me a strory about a guy named Tor whom people in the old days believed to be the one who made the thunder. He hunted giants and had this magic hammer called Mjølner.
I knew I was just a story but somehow the storm didn't seem so frightening after that, it wasn't like I was a giant so the guy with the hammer wasn't aiming for me :)

They stories are also taught in school.
Recently my daughter came home from school at said to me "today in christianity we heard the story about Tors travels to Utgard-Loki"
(Utgard-Loki(?), I don't know his english name. But it is the story where Tors goats break down and he has to walk, he comes to this house where he drinks from the horn connected to the sea, fights age, lifts the Midgard Serpent, Loke has an eating competition with fire, Tjalfe races thought)
She the re-told the entire story to me and her little brother.

They are good stories and I love them, but that is all they have ever been to me; stories.
I find it difficult to understand how this can be a religion.

Can you explain this to me?

I suppose in the same way some people believe in the stories from Genesis.
the Norse Gods are equally old. and are as easily believed....
 

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
Not so much critical of the followers as I am mystified that they are followers.

You are right, it was a religion. But when christianity came the religion disappeared and only the stories remained. Now some people have taken it upon themselves to invent a new religion based on those stories, that is what I find strange.
But it didn't disappear. many were forced, but the old ways continued. One of the interesting things about our faith is that there are indications it has continued unabated, despite Christianity. In fact, of the both of us you would probably be more exposed to hidden old ways than I, in America.

In fact, sometimes we can thank the Christians for preserving our ways in their literature. ;)

I mean, let's face facts: the entire Elizabethan traditions surrounding Yule are basically OUR old ways kept alive right under the nose of the public. Leaving out libations [milk and cookies], decorated evergreens indoors, the yule log, reindeer and a sleigh? how do these things come from the Levant? They don't! That's us! Santa Claus is ODIN.


I apologize if I am arrogant. I would be lying if I pretended that I don't think of this religion as a bit silly (I may be breaking the forum rules by writing that in a DIR, I am not sure, if so I apologize for that too), but that is part of the reason why I am curious about it.

What I think I am trying to ask is what made you stop seeing the stories as just stories and start to view them from a religious perspective?
We follow it because it calls us. Our faith is rarely voluntary in my experience; the Gods of our blood call us to come back. I am sorry, and not in a condescending sense- that you don't feel this. Perhaps you will. Or perhaps it will remain a charming tradition your grandfolk tried to show you. Either way it is fine.

I would venture to tell you, ask your grandma why she gave you that pendant. Was it just an old family thing, or, was she trying to show you a hidden family truth?

You may come from a family of faithful Heathens and you simply never knew because they didn't want you to think they were all weirdos. ;)
 
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