How can YHWH be the FATHER?

[GoodAttention]

This is rich .. pardon my jumping in but .. the "pre-conceived idea" is that YHWH is the God of Jesus and the only God of the Israelites ..and the God of Abraham. This is priceless projection Right !

all your "Historical Research" is cried out ?! - were you upset that the Biblical Archaeology confirms what the Bible tells us .. for those with eyes not blinded by pre-conceived Biases .

Jesus is a Priest of the Order Melchi-Zedek Zedek .. the twin god(s) Justice and Righteous .. that sit at the right hand of "The Father" , who art in "Heaven" .. hallowed be thy name (which is not YHWH - as the God of the Zadokite Priesthood is the most high God EL .. most high God of the Canaanite Pantheon .. head of the Divine Council .. Father , Creator)

Jerusalem = City of Peace . Patron God = Zedek, Justice Righteousness .. seated at the right hand of "The Father" the Prince of Peace . Lord of Justice and Righteousness. .. "a Priest forever of the order Melchi-Zedek" '

Did you not hear the Good News ? -- to follow Jesus .. don't hafe to make, enter into nor keep the covenant with YHWH .. no need to follow those rules .. as everything has been fulfilled .. this the holy sacrifice .. and tell me what you will feed the sheep .. what is the sacrificial meal ? . what is being sacrificed .. symbolicly Jesus is what >>>>>> Logos >>>>> the physical representation of God's word .. the physical representation of the Covenant .. the sacrifie to release the world from the covenant with the evil demiurge .. for those that wish to accept.

Yeeeeeeoooooooooowwwwwwwzzzzzaaaaa .. how many preconcieved biases that you brought to the table got run over by Melchi-Zedek. So it is written .. So it shall be Done !

You know Ezekiels scripture verses are about the past, not the future don't you?

The Prince is a son of Melchizedek, a literal son, priest, prince, yes?

From the order of Zoroaster, way back when he met Abe for a tithe?

Dimensions to the Fire Temple! In Salem!

 

[dybmh]

There was Anu, the head of the counsel of gods. Anu orders creation to take place. Enlil is head of operations but not creator. Enki, Ninmah and Ningishzidda are the creators.A trinity of of a sort. Humans are meant to be slaves, work and tend the garden of Edin(Eden) and other tasks.

Enki gives awareness to the first humans, Adapa(Adam) and Titi(Eve), against Enlils orders.
Upon finding this out, Elil gets enraged and a scolding ensues. The Samerian account does not mention a banishing of the garden that im aware of.

It goes on....Adapa and Titi are now (enlightened). They then are breed and give birth to Ka'in(Cain) and Abael(Abel). Ka'in murders Abael in a jealous rage and thus is sentenced into exile.

Even the flood myth in the Sumarian accounts are creepy close. Its amazing.

You can read it in the Eridu Genesis. UCLA website has a plethera of cuneiform texts in their library.

The Eridu Genesis. Thank you. I don't know that name, I'm familiar with the Enuma Elish. I'm seeing a date for the Eridu Genesis as 1600BCE? This version of the story comes from the era of the 2nd Iron age Collapse?

I'm curious. Thematically, what is your impression of the Eridu Genesis? What is the story it's telling? Beyond "a creation myth", what does it say about the way the author perceives the world?

we all know in Genesis is actually from another book

"... coming from" can mean very different things: homage, polemic, some combination of the two. Version 2.0, new and improved. Etc.

 

[dybmh]

we all know in Genesis is actually from another book, tablet to be more precise

Fragments of tablets to be even more precise. The content ranges from 1600BCE to 600 BCE.

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The story is known from three fragments representing different versions of the narrative. One is a tablet excavated from the ancient Sumerian city known as Nippur. This tablet was discovered during the Expedition of the University of Pennsylvania in 1893, and the creation story was recognized by Arno Poebel in 1912. It is written in the Sumerian language and is dated to around 1600 BC. The second fragment is from Ur, also written in Sumerian and from the same time period. The third is a bilingual Sumerian-Akkadian fragment from the Library of Ashurbanipal ca. 600​

Eridu Genesis - Wikipedia

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tablet to be more precise

fragments of badly damaged tablets to be most accurate

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The extant work is badly damaged, with a number of significant lines missing, but can still be read and easily understood as an early Great Flood story. Scholars who have studied the text generally rely on the later Akkadian/Babylonian Atrahasis – which tells the same tale – to fill in the blanks of missing text from the broken tablet.​

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https://www.worldhistory.org/Eridu_Genesis/

Scholars rely on later texts...

Even the flood myth in the Sumarian accounts are creepy close. Its amazing.

Naturally. The text was deciphered using the bible as a sort of rosetta stone.

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[IndigoChild5559]

Sorry for my very late reply, the creation account we all know in Genesis is actually from another book, tablet to be more precise. So in essence, you are reading from another book.

I think you may be referring to the fact the two creation stories, the flood, and the tower of babel have earlier versions in Sumerian myths. But evolving from these earlier myths is not the same thing as saying that they are found in another book. The stories are altered significantly enough that they are stories in their own right.

Let me give you an example. I've been watching a new TV show called Elsbeth. It's about a woman who consults for the police department and solves crimes. She's highly eccentric, and comes across as a ditz, which puts the criminals off guard -- they assume she's stupid, and that's how they get caught. For those of us born in the 60s, this is the same characterization as Columbo in the old Sunday Night Movies. Columbo was a police detective who gave the impression of being scatterbrained, and criminals got caught because they underestimated him. You can see the obvious connection. And yet, we would not say that Elsbeth is Columbo, would we?

 

[Sargonski]

I have been doing a lot of reading on ancient Sumerians. Could the "snake" possibly be Enki?

Yes .. IMHEO .. Enki and Sophia are two top contenders.

What does the Snake give to man ? ---> Wisdom and like Prometheus .. who gave fire to man .. the snake will be punished .. being confined to Earth or some such reading .. forced to crawl on belly in the dirt !? .. Enki too does something he is not supposed to do ... thwarts the will of another God .. Enlil .. in the case of the Sumerian Story.

Wisdom= Sophia .. Sophia is one of the Silent .. and yet most Vocal Gods of the Bible .. the Wizdom literature of Solomon is a representation of Sophia to an ancient Israelite belief .. .. some connection to a Lillith like character is also possible .. Goddess of Wizdom .. Sensuality (sex) a symbol of independence and autonomy but this one creates a bunch of demons .. and in that we can see a small relationship to Tiamat .. primordial Chaos Dragon (God) ..

Enki - (EA) is as close to one of the primordial Gods as a God can get without actually being one. .. Same with this Brother Enlil .. This is the God who has primary responsibility for the creation of humans .. this God is a Great Scientist - and very wise .. but also a bit of a trickster God .. thwarting the plan of Enlil to kill off all humans in a flood.. helping humans in other ways. .. while Ea does not get punished by Enlil .. Ea is forced to explain his actions .. convincing Enlil that it is unfair to punish the guiltles -- which is a really big motif .. rule of law principle -- foundation on which Christ built his ministry .. "One person not to be punished for the Sin (actions) of another"

Why is the story in there ? .. and how does YHWH fit in. When Marduk defeats Tiamat .. he is made Chief God over the Earth .. while "Enlil" (EL) - having formerly been Chief God on Eearth gives up this position but remains High God in the Heavens .. See "Assembly of EL" Psalm 82 (NET)

Psalm 82 is describing the battle between the Sons of EL .. fo the title of Chief God .. YHWH is the winner .. and if you are hearing this song in a Moabite Temple .. Chemosh is substituted for Marduk in the narrative.

So .. we could look at the Primary God ofd the Garden as Enlil .. Enki s the snake who thwarts Enlil's plan .. Later YHWH assumes the position of EL as Chief God on Earth .. It is a tough call .. I tend to lean more towards the Sophia motif ...

 

[Sargonski]

You know Ezekiels scripture verses are about the past, not the future don't you?

The Prince is a son of Melchizedek, a literal son, priest, prince, yes?

From the order of Zoroaster, way back when he met Abe for a tithe?

Dimensions to the Fire Temple! In Salem!

Not sure how Ezekiel is Relevant .. other than describing the polytheistic worship in YHWH's temple . which matters not past or present.

I don't think Ahura Mazda .. the primordial uncreated one .. was around these parts at the time of Melchi-Zedek.... and certainly not worshiped as the High God in what ever place of worship existed in Jerusalem at the time of Abe.

Zedek is the Patron God of Jerusalem at this time --- this much we know for sure .. this is a twin god of Justice and Righteousness .. seated at the right hand of "The Father" who art in heaven .. Hallowed be thy name.

The Father -- at this point in time is well known and regarded High Canaanite God EL .. same God as the Babylonian (Enlil). El is the head of the divine council in the Heavens "Assembly of EL" in Psalm 82 NET

"YHWH stands in[b] the assembly of El;[c] in the midst of the gods[d] he renders judgment.[e]"

El is the head of the divine council in the heavens (YHWH is battling for Chief God on Earth in the Story from 800 years later)
Zedek .. "justice and righteousness" sits at the Right hand of "The Father" .. in the divine assembly of EL

Melchi-Zedek is the King of Jerusalem .. but he is also High Priest of the State Cult .. Zedek is the Patron God .. but the Priestly Order of Melchi-Zedek ..is the for the worship of EL .. the Priesthood of the Most HIgh God .. at this point in time in Jerusalem .. Melchi-Zedek is a Canaanite Priestking .. in a Canaanite town / "walled city" .. "Priest of the Most High" Canaanite God.

Kings will regularly take the name of the Patron God of the City in these days .. or the name of the national God .. .. just go review the names of the Kings of Babylon - Assyria .. and so on ..

 

[Eli G]

Some religious teachers induce their apprentices to discard the Old Testament, which explicitly states that Jehovah is the only God to be worshipped, and the One who is considered the Father of the entire universal family (mostly faithful). They do so with the intention of focusing their followers on the figure of Jesus Christ.

That procedure endangers the spirituality of those believers who are guided by those religious leaders, because it disconnects them from what Jesus really taught about God, his Father, and himself. Did Jesus worship Jehovah, or not? What does Jesus himself say?

John 8:54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is your God. 55 Yet you have not known him, but I know him. And if I said I do not know him, I would be like you, a liar. But I do know him and am observing his word."

One cannot create supposedly "Christian" doctrines if they contradict Jesus Christ. Nor can one reject the God of Abraham if one really wishes to be considered a true Christian.

John 4:21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

Does the NT mention Jehovah? Definitely yes; Jesus did (as you read above) and so did all the biblical Christian writers.

Peter did:

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him.

Paul did:

Act 24:14 But I do admit this to you, that according to the way that they call a sect, in this manner I am rendering sacred service to the God of my forefathers, as I believe all the things set forth in the Law and written in the Prophets.

...and all Jesus' followers did:

Acts 4:24 On hearing this, they raised their voices with one accord to God and said:
“Sovereign Lord, you are the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all the things in them, 25 and who said through holy spirit by the mouth of our forefather David, your servant:
‘Why did nations become agitated and peoples meditate on empty things? 26 The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers gathered together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one.’ (Psal. 2:1,2)
27 For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, 28 to do what your hand and counsel had determined beforehand to occur. 29 And now, Jehovah, give attention to their threats, and grant to your slaves to keep speaking your word with all boldness, 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”

So, does the Bible teach that Jehovah is the Father and God of Jesus, or not?