How come we are good in making critique of others?

[Spirit of Light]

As a being who remembers before Heaven was created, before reality started according to Hindu texts as Sanananda the son of Brahma, and as Sananda the New name of Christ, Greek as Zan (Zeus) the son of Chronos (Time), etc.

Enlightenment is some construct in the Matrix; what we've already explained about dimensional quantum physics is well beyond that.

We've basically taught anyone how to create a reality from scratch; for when they're soon kicked out of this one.

As according to multiple prophecies globally, they're soon about to be deleted from the Matrix reality they currently exist within; based on the Source's calculations of their character - All actions are recorded at a quantum level; where bad music goes against us.

We're always trying to help beings understand where the additional potential is in their religious doctrine, so they can evolve enough to be kept in the Matrix.

Generally because we're down near Hell, people are accusative (satan), mockers, scoffers, and slanderous (devil) because they've not been taught the matter here is made out of Hell.

Thus people are argumentative, hardly any accept the right direction in the religious texts as a whole; as they're bound by materialistic ego to go opposite, where hardly any go equal or the extra mile.

Thus when we realize a Bodhisattva is choosing to come down near Hell, as a mission statement; it is an act of kindness to share openly.

The Scientific Method is a technique of using scientific verification in the process of reasoning; like Buddha uses a very objective scientific method in the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra, which is why I appreciate it so much...

He will show contexts from Hindu problems, then clarify it in a verification process, which is using a clear logical deduction method; that is so precise, that Buddha (Discernment) created a new form of reasoning in the universe.

In my opinion.

Question: when was the start of time according to you?

 

[wizanda]

Question: when was the start of time according to you?

When there were Random Quantum Strands, where nothing in reality was formulated, that was the start of thought... I've remembered then.

Linear Time came much later, when the Matrix was created, as we can show it from the dimensional physics Moses understood.

This is what I'm meaning humans have got advanced books, and only treating them as legal books; Moses's 10 Commandments are the Mountain of Ascension - I'm not making them up, I'm rectifying people have the map upside down, from cross referencing the world's religious structures, to show the same systems in each.

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

When there were Random Quantum Strands, where nothing in reality was formulated, that was the start of thought... I've remembered then.

Linear Time came much later, when the Matrix was created, as we can show it from the dimensional physics Moses understood.

This is what I'm meaning humans have got advanced books, and only treating them as legal books; Moses's 10 Commandments are the Mountain of Ascension - I'm not making them up, I'm rectifying people have the map upside down, from cross referencing the world's religious structures, to show the same systems in each.

In my opinion.

I meant how many years since it started? And in your understanding is this universe the first?

 

[wizanda]

I meant how many years since it started?

The 8th dimension is infinity, the 4th dimension is linear time... There was no such thing as a length of time, before it was constructed in the Matrix.

And in your understanding is this universe the first?

The universe exists inside the 10 dimensions; this is the 6th reality version, and the next reality, will be nearly perfect, where we have one thousand years peace, reality keeps being recoded when it collapses.

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The 8th dimension is infinity, the 4th dimension is linear time... There was no such thing as a length of time, before it was constructed in the Matrix.

The universe exists inside the 10 dimensions; this is the 6th reality version, and the next reality, will be nearly perfect, where we have one thousand years peace, reality keeps being recoded when it collapses.

In my opinion.

You still not answer my question In human years how many years since our physical dimension started? Not speaking of other dimensions than this one.

 

[dybmh]

Science is a man-made concept (in my understanding) so it has nothing to do with spiritual living.

Astronomers are often deeply spiritual.

 

[dybmh]

You still not answer my question In human years how many years since our physical dimension started? Not speaking of other dimensions than this one.

Is this a debate or a discussion? This sort of challenge seems to be out of bounds in this sub-forum.

 

[wizanda]

In human years how many years since our physical dimension started? Not speaking of other dimensions than this one.

We exist in 11 dimensions according to theoretical quantum physicists; from religions there are 14 quantifiable levels.

At the moment of the Big Bang, there were 10 dimensional quantum physics manifest, and from then linear time existed...

I'm not sure the date of the beginning of our universe; I'm saying what happened before time was created by the physics presented in my own ascension/NDE, cross referenced by many of the world's religions.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

Is this a debate or a discussion?

The whole thread is a sideline of psychological misunderstandings of where I'm coming from: it is another person perceiving some threads coming across as proselytizing, rather than some serious challenging to all of us to do some religious reasoning...

I'm like hardcore show me the data from the Source texts; as I'm sick of being lied to, by so called religious teachers, who claim to be know it alls.

Thus when people espouse ideas from so called gurus, they see me as being a bit challenging, for asking us all to question the evidence between us.

This thread is trying to defend we shouldn't question someone's path; this is like saying don't yank a dinghy along, with someone who doesn't know how to sail.

Yet having been on the high sea exploring all religions, my dinghy is now kitted out with all religious life preservers just in case; which causes offence to those who don't know how to sail.

Plus the idea I'm trying to establish a universally free children's sailing school, with no limitations, without being qualified by an officially recognized sailing school, means it offends some who want to charge for the idea in a way.

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The whole thread is a sideline of psychological misunderstandings of where I'm coming from: it is another person perceiving some threads coming across as proselytizing, rather than some serious challenging to all of us to do some religious reasoning...

I'm like hardcore show me the data from the Source texts; as I'm sick of being lied to, by so called religious teachers, who claim to be know it alls.

Thus when people espouse ideas from so called gurus, they see me as being a bit challenging, for asking us all to question the evidence between us.

This thread is trying to defend we shouldn't question someone's path; this is like saying don't yank a dinghy along, with someone who doesn't know how to sail.

Yet having been on the high sea exploring all religions, my dinghy is now kitted out with all religious life preservers just in case; which causes offence to those who don't know how to sail.

Plus the idea I'm trying to establish a universally free children's sailing school, with no limitations, without being qualified by an officially recognized sailing school, means it offends some who want to charge for the idea in a way.

In my opinion.

Then you misunderstand the thread, it is not attacking you, nor is it about you. I asked you a few question to see the deeper wisdom of your words. But maybe asking you questions is wrong?

Why do you feel it is an Attack of you?
If you truly are some of the persons you claims to be, why do you feel any form of frustration when people dont grasp it?

This OP was meant to be a question to all spiritual people about why er try to find fault in others, When we should first fix out one faults. It was never a thread that was about Wizanda or other beings with similar names or meanings.

 

[Dawnofhope]

When I was a Buddhist I was one of those who could make a critique of other people's beliefs, or even make a critique of religions I did not follow. But why are we making so harsh critique of other people when we do not even reach up to expectation within our own religion or cultivation path?

Why do we not focus on our own effort? Is it not so that when we become better ourselves self we could be an example of how spiritual life is meant to be lived? To actually not make a critique of others but of our own way of being?

As a cultivator of Falun Gong who can not even raise my own effort of morality, ethics, and spirituality(to the required level in Falun Gong), How am I to tell others what they should or should not do or believe in their spiritual life or path? And especially how am I to say to someone, you are wrong and I am right?

As spiritual people should we not be more focused on our own path and how to raise our own wisdom, then telling others what we think is right for them? (this is not a critique of any member or religion of this forum)

Before we can say you are wrong and I am right, does it not require that we actually have the inner wisdom of the ultimate truth of this spiritual universe and its wisdom? (not speaking of science here).
Only when we can understand a higher form of truth then anyone else we could say I know or understand the full truth, and even then, how can we know if what we understand is the highest truth there is?

So to those of the members in this forum, I have "lectured" or "tried to correct" I am sorry that I misrepresented the truth of our existence, I was and still am not on a high enough level of wisdom to tell you that your view is wrong and mine is the correct understanding. So even we see things differently or understand the spiritual wisdom of the teaching differently, it does not mean my understanding is or less good or better then your understanding, it only means we are on a different level of understanding.

And lastly, what I wrote here is my words and not a representation of the teaching of Falun Gong or of master Li Hongzhi teaching. Those things will be something i speak of later in other threads

I agree. First and foremost we should become a good example of the values and beliefs we espouse. Our interest in other faiths should be for building bonds of fellowship and bridges across faiths as well as to learn. If you’re going to enter the arena of Interfaith dialogue ensure your motives are pure and at it doesn’t matter how much or little is known of another’s faith. If your intent is to denigrate make sure you have a working knowledge of the faith you imagine requires criticising.

 

[wizanda]

Why do you feel it is an Attack of you?

I don't; it is an angle of direction challenging a certain psychological repercussion, that I'm precisely guilty of... Showing people where the details are, and forcing an opinion if I can.

If you truly are some of the persons you claims to be, why do you feel any form of frustration when people dont grasp it?

It doesn't bother me if they don't get something after billions of years, I'm really patient; it is when people are challenging, and I can feel their spite from here.

This OP was meant to be a question to all spiritual people about why er try to find fault in others, When we should first fix out one faults.

Since you were saying someone who has become a Master, can say they know; I explained how if we return to innocence, where we learn to apologize to our inner child...

We then can realize the simplicity there before all the complex thought, was more advanced than any form.

Then you started on about different paths, and I explained reality before it was created in complexities.

In my opinion.

 

[Sinncubus-74]

When I was a Buddhist I was one of those who could make a critique of other people's beliefs, or even make a critique of religions I did not follow. But why are we making so harsh critique of other people when we do not even reach up to expectation within our own religion or cultivation path?

Why do we not focus on our own effort? Is it not so that when we become better ourselves self we could be an example of how spiritual life is meant to be lived? To actually not make a critique of others but of our own way of being?

As a cultivator of Falun Gong who can not even raise my own effort of morality, ethics, and spirituality(to the required level in Falun Gong), How am I to tell others what they should or should not do or believe in their spiritual life or path? And especially how am I to say to someone, you are wrong and I am right?

As spiritual people should we not be more focused on our own path and how to raise our own wisdom, then telling others what we think is right for them? (this is not a critique of any member or religion of this forum)

Before we can say you are wrong and I am right, does it not require that we actually have the inner wisdom of the ultimate truth of this spiritual universe and its wisdom? (not speaking of science here).
Only when we can understand a higher form of truth then anyone else we could say I know or understand the full truth, and even then, how can we know if what we understand is the highest truth there is?

So to those of the members in this forum, I have "lectured" or "tried to correct" I am sorry that I misrepresented the truth of our existence, I was and still am not on a high enough level of wisdom to tell you that your view is wrong and mine is the correct understanding. So even we see things differently or understand the spiritual wisdom of the teaching differently, it does not mean my understanding is or less good or better then your understanding, it only means we are on a different level of understanding.

And lastly, what I wrote here is my words and not a representation of the teaching of Falun Gong or of master Li Hongzhi teaching. Those things will be something i speak of later in other threads

Balancing my inner critic is something I've been focusing on a lot in working on myself. For the sake of explanation of my wording, let's take a metaphorical idea of an inner critic as a scale. One side represents how much one is open to criticism of one's own path, and the other represents how open one is to criticizing the paths of others. The allegory doesn't really account for other important factors, like the fairness and validity of the criticisms, biases, prejudice and how gentle one is in criticizing oneself v.s. others, but for the sake of my post I'll leave the imagery to that.

My goal is to keep the scale of my own inner critic balanced, so it isn't unwilling to see fault or strength in either me or others, so it can then learn from what is observed and put it towards self-betterment. I want to always be open to the possibility of learning from people regardless of if I agree with their conclusions, as disagreement doesn't mean I cannot learn valuable, self-applicable lessons and techniques from those with different perspectives and practices from me. A need to feel superior to others or "right" isn't worth closing myself off from those opportunities, lest it lead to ostentation. Or worst of all, ignorance. That's part of why I signed up here, I've already had some experiences like that in the short time I've been here.

TL;DR Just because someone believes differently from you or has a different way of doing things doesn't mean you can't learn something that could be valuable to your own journey from them.

 

[stvdv]

But why are we making so harsh critique of other people when we do not even reach up to expectation within our own religion or cultivation path?

IMHO:
The only thing I can come up with is "I would criticize other's faith, IF I feel not confident with my own; as I feel senang with my own faith, I feel not like criticizing other's faith, as I don't see my faith as superior or inferior than other's (non) faith".

This obviously automatically arises when one believes there is only 1 true or right (non) faith. Because faith implies not 100% sure, as in no "hard irrefutable evidence". So automatically doubt arises when claiming or believing your (non) faith is the only true (non) faith. And doubt seems to be perfectly in place here, as the "hard claim" is not a/the Truth.

So critique is nature's natural reaction or call it 'gentle way of correction' to one's own unnatural thoughts or words

 

[Jesuslightoftheworld]

IMHO:
The only thing I can come up with is "I would criticize other's faith, IF I feel not confident with my own; as I feel senang with my own faith, I feel not like criticizing other's faith, as I don't see my faith as superior or inferior than other's (non) faith".

This obviously automatically arises when one believes there is only 1 true or right (non) faith. Because faith implies not 100% sure, as in no "hard irrefutable evidence". So automatically doubt arises when claiming or believing your (non) faith is the only true (non) faith. And doubt seems to be perfectly in place here, as the "hard claim" is not a/the Truth.

So critique is nature's natural reaction or call it 'gentle way of correction' to one's own unnatural thoughts or words

Because I can be sanctimonious and self righteous. And I am fed humble pie every time. I think, at least for me, there is something inside myself that I don’t like and subconsciously I start comparing myself to others and try to find wrong with them to make myself feel better. I catch myself and I have to tell myself and my son, “Worry about your own self!”

 

[Vinayaka]

When I was a Buddhist I was one of those who could make a critique of other people's beliefs, or even make a critique of religions I did not follow. But why are we making so harsh critique of other people when we do not even reach up to expectation within our own religion or cultivation path?

Who is this 'we' you speak of. There are many people who live and let live.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Who is this 'we' you speak of. There are many people who live and let live.

There are many people in this world who speak very critically about the belief they do not themself hold, So you can say the "We" is how I could be my self and also those who speak wrongly or very negative about belief systems/ religions or cultivation paths.
The OP is not about singling out a few people but a general question about what is the reason human beings are often making a harsh critique of others when they do nothing to better themself first.

 

[Vinayaka]

There are many people in this world who speak very critically about the belief they do not themself hold, So you can say the "We" is how I could be my self and also those who speak wrongly or very negative about belief systems/ religions or cultivation paths.
The OP is not about singling out a few people but a general question about what is the reason human beings are often making a harsh critique of others when they do nothing to better themself first.

Thanks for the clarification. I see that as insecurity with your own mindset. Just as a kid who feels short will go stand beside another short person, so too will an insecure person compare themselves with others, and there are two ways to do it. One is to say, "I'm smarter than you." The other is to say 'You're dumber than me."

People who are actually secure and confident in their own beliefs have no need to compare themselves to others at all.

Course I could be dead wrong.

As to the 'we' I see most people as not having this challenge. So I would change you 'many' to 'few'. To me, the silent majority wouldn't make any noise about it, so they go by less noticed.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Thanks for the clarification. I see that as insecurity with your own mindset. Just as a kid who feels short will go stand beside another short person, so too will an insecure person compare themselves with others, and there are two ways to do it. One is to say, "I'm smarter than you." The other is to say 'You're dumber than me."

People who are actually secure and confident in their own beliefs have no need to compare themselves to others at all.

Course I could be dead wrong.

As to the 'we' I see most people as not having this challenge. So I would change you 'many' to 'few'. To me, the silent majority wouldn't make any noise about it, so they go by less noticed.

I would not say I am insecure about the spiritual part of who I am. But as a human being I know I do not fit anywhere (not knowing my self who the human being Amanaki truly is). And I am not smarter or dumber than other beings

 

[Vinayaka]

I would not say I am insecure about the spiritual part of who I am. But as a human being I know I do not fit anywhere (not knowing my self who the human being Amanaki truly is). And I am not smarter or dumber than other beings

In my view, nobody fits anywhere perfectly.

As a point of clarification, I see beliefs different from actions. For example, I'm heavily critical of proselytising. It's not the belief about God or reality I'm criticising, it's the action of sharing it, which fits into the comparing oneself to others. (My faith is better than yours.)