How could time have always existed?

[Quintessence]

I have thought about it, but didn’t find an answer to the op question

Does now have a "beginning point?" When does now begin?

Now?

What about now?

Now?

Where is this beginning point for now?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Does now have a "beginning point?" When does now begin?

Now?

What about now?

Now?

Where is this beginning point for now?

'Now' is too subjective.

 

[Quintessence]

'Now' is too subjective.

As is all perception of time.

Perhaps that's why you believe time must have had a beginning - you yourself believe you had a beginning. And yet the belief that something has a beginning is a subjectively experienced thing. At what point do we say now is happening? When does now begin? At what point do we say I (the individual) is happening? When is that? Also subjective, a matter of point of view.

 

[libre]

I don't believe time could have always existed.

This is a contradictory statement, no?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

This is a contradictory statement, no?

You’re right. I misworded it in the op

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't believe time could have always existed. It needs a beginning point.

It can make sense to think of an infinite value when looking forward at something from a specific point (the present) but it could never make sense to begin at an infinite value and arrive at a finite value. E.g. We can imagine the past having an endless amount of "before's" but we could not arrive at present day that way. It's like "climbing up from the bottomless pit" You must've come from somewhere, otherwise you cannot arrive at another point.

Time dosent exist. At least with the concept we have as a tool for measuring processes.

 

[Madsaac]

I don't believe time could have always existed. It needs a beginning point.

It can make sense to think of an infinite value when looking forward at something from a specific point (the present) but it could never make sense to begin at an infinite value and arrive at a finite value. E.g. We can imagine the past having an endless amount of "before's" but we could not arrive at present day that way. It's like "climbing up from the bottomless pit" You must've come from somewhere, otherwise you cannot arrive at another point.

Wow, massive question. Yeah, was there something that transcended or created time in some way?

Personally, I think it's the closest thing to a god, you can get.

Otherwise its infinity, which is just too hard to understand.

And then, how much does our consciousness & intelligence play when thinking about time? Does my cat feel the same about time, or an insect, no?

 

[Kfox]

I don't believe time could have always existed. It needs a beginning point.

Why?

It can make sense to think of an infinite value when looking forward at something from a specific point (the present) but it could never make sense to begin at an infinite value and arrive at a finite value.

Why? Makes perfect sense to me!

E.g. We can imagine the past having an endless amount of "before's" but we could not arrive at present day that way.

Again; why?

It's like "climbing up from the bottomless pit" You must've come from somewhere, otherwise you cannot arrive at another point.

More like; climbing out of a bottomless pit, but you never climb out of it, you spend all of eternity attempting to climb out, because there is no start, nor is there an end to the action of climbing.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

I don't believe time could have always existed. It needs a beginning point.

It can make sense to think of an infinite value when looking forward at something from a specific point (the present) but it could never make sense to begin at an infinite value and arrive at a finite value. E.g. We can imagine the past having an endless amount of "before's" but we could not arrive at present day that way. It's like "climbing up from the bottomless pit" You must've come from somewhere, otherwise you cannot arrive at another point.

What is time though? And, does it “exist”, autonomously speaking?

One way of understanding time is that it is the distance between a law and its outcome, and that -like all distance- though certainly experienced, it has no “existence” in and of itself.

Time does not begin or end. It is an experience; a relative one, entirely dependent on the positioning of its “experiencer”.

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[wellwisher]

What is time though? And, does it “exist”, autonomously speaking?

One way of understanding time is that it is the distance between a law and its outcome, and that -like all distance- though certainly experienced, it has no “existence” in and of itself.

Time does not begin or end. It is an experience; a relative one, entirely dependent on the positioning of its “experiencer”.

Humbly,
Hermit

This time dependency on position; reference, is an artifact of this version of time being connected to space as space-time, and not time alone, without space. What we do know about pure time, is time moves to the future. It does not cycle like a wave. We are born, age and die, and maybe transform, but we do not repeat like a clock, back to step one. A cyclic universe, would be acting like a wave. This theory is not about pure time, but what could, or might happen, in space-time. Pure time is independent of space-time but can interact with space-time. This is expressed by space-time plus time or d/t/t=acceleration. Space-time is one part time and one part space, whereas acceleration to one part space and two parts time, which is beyond just space-time; pure time is the straw that stirs the drink.

Photons have wavelength and frequency tethered together in the three legged race of space-time. if we take off the tether we get frequency without wavelength and wavelength without frequency. This makes independent time, independent of distance. They can coexist but are not defined by each other. This type of time is a different form of time, than clock time.

Say we had a source that blinked on and off. This is not exactly a wave, but just two points on a wave separated by empty space. The light coming emitted, with each pulse, will be a wave, but the source is a point. You can place it anywhere and it will appear the same, albeit, its output massaged by space-time references. This is more like a discontinuous quantum jump; broken-wave.

Einstein said that the laws of physics are the same in all references. This is connected to independent time interacting with space-time references, thereby adding acceleration and the forces of nature that bind each and every reference.

Entropy, like pure time, also increases to the future, within space-time. All the forces of nature, decrease if left to their own devices. But entropy, like time, spontaneously increases. Entropy and independent time appear to be related.

Entropy is a state variable, meaning any given state of matter has a constant entropy. Entropy is also a measure of the complexity within any state of matter, which internally adds up to a constant. In other words, a glass of water, has a given entropy value at any given conditions, that is a constant. However, if we look at the quantum level, there is all types of complex activity going on within nano-scale space-time. However, the sum of all that activity; complexity, within space-time, still adds to a constant.

Independent time is like a state of time that is constant, but will appear all spread out within space via the complexity of the nanoscale. In a sense, it is like blueprint, within space-time. for the production of a given product, with slight variations between units, yet all have the same function. and when averaged meet the specs.

This visual has independent time, similar to little self contained movies, time potential, within an entropic state. The time potential within that state, is the moving playing within nanoscale space-time, that then gives manifestation to that state, so it persists in space-time reality, as a constant state. Matter is mostly space, yet matter can feel solid based on nanoscale activity, adding up to a constant entropy; persistent solid state. The blue print can exist in time, even if none is present; ice is a state of water, that cannot be found on the sun, but can still exist in time, as potential, to form in the future.

This is a little esoteric so let me give a more tangible example. Below is a diagram of nitrobenzene, first simple diagram. The rest are all resonance structures, where electrons are internally being swapped and shared at the quantum level. The last eight diagrams are the complexity within the state entropy, that averages to the steady state of the first diagram; blueprint and production. The time potential is the extra stability that is created due to the electron sharing; lowers the total free energy down to the final entropic state.

Time potential is important to life and evolution since DNA and cells are also state variables; entropy and time potential. Our DNA from conception, begins to express time potential via increasingly complex entropic states, spread out over space-time. Even though we all have human DNA, we all do not act like clocks that are all calibrated for the same; same lifetime. The time potential can be used faster or slower as we interact within space-time and clock time.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't believe time could have always existed. It needs a beginning point.

"Always" implies the existence of time. All "time always existed" means is "at all points in time, there was time."

I mean, look at it from the other side: how could there have ever been a time when there was no time?

What's north of the North Pole?