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How dangerous is the Ouija Board

jojo50

jojo50

Member
Midnight Pete said:
How dangerous is the Ouija Board?

a) As dangerous as Monopoly
b) As dangerous as a loaded gun (spiritually)
c) Probably not dangerous
d) What a fun game! :)
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many believe playing with the board,would bring up the wicked dead. NOT TRUE,because the wicked dead CAN'T be brought back. Jehovah God doesn't want anyone to deal in those types of things. though the demons don't need anything to bring them,because they're ALREADY here. he uses things like this,getting many to believe they can sommon the dead. which then satan/his demons appear,playing tricks.

i watch this show callled beyound belief,which at the end of the show. one has to figure out if each of the five 30 minute movie . were base on a real event,or not.
many seem so untrue,but turns out it actually happened. one story was of a girl dissapearing once they threw the board into the fireplace. she became afraid when they,(her and her two friends),sommon an evil entity. the story was tue,based on an actual even. peace
 
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Witch9

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just as the scientists can only see 4% of the Universe, the mind can only see a fraction of the Cosmic reality

the answer to Midnight Pete's question is b), and the reason is that, as the Bard and countless others have told us, "There Are More Things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio..." than what the eye can see

Ouija boards open metaphysical doorways that most users are completely unaware of and for which they are not prepared
 
Noaidi

Noaidi

slow walker
Derren Brown did an excellent programme on Ouija boards and, yes, it was shown to be all nonsense. The participants pushed the planchette around via subconscious micro-movements which spelled out the name of a person they were told was dead. The person was actually in the next room...

Derren Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Worth watching if you can get hold of the DVD.

To address the OP, it can be psychologically dangerous if you believe in it, so the solution would be to see it for what it is - a trick.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Noaidi said:
Derren Brown did an excellent programme on Ouija boards and, yes, it was shown to be all nonsense. The participants pushed the planchette around via subconscious micro-movements which spelled out the name of a person they were told was dead. The person was actually in the next room...

Derren Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Worth watching if you can get hold of the DVD.

To address the OP, it can be psychologically dangerous if you believe in it, so the solution would be to see it for what it is - a trick.
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That doesn't seem like a reliable test.
 
Noaidi

Noaidi

slow walker
angellous_evangellous said:
That doesn't seem like a reliable test.
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It wasn't designed to be scientific - it was a TV programme showing how people can be manipulated into believing what someone wants them to believe. Derren Brown was upfront with the viewers about what he was planning to do and he did it - no spiritual forces involved at all.
There may be more valid and reliable tests on Ouija boards detailed in journals if that's what you are looking for.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Noaidi said:
It wasn't designed to be scientific - it was a TV programme showing how people can be manipulated into believing what someone wants them to believe. Derren Brown was upfront with the viewers about what he was planning to do and he did it - no spiritual forces involved at all.
There may be more valid and reliable tests on Ouija boards detailed in journals if that's what you are looking for.
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Ah, I thought that you were using Brown's "findings" to show "Ouija boards and, yes, it was shown to be all nonsense" and you were applying it to other experiences with Ouija boards.

My mistake I suppose.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Noaidi said:
There may be more valid and reliable tests on Ouija boards detailed in journals if that's what you are looking for.
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I would be surprised if "valid and reliable tests" were available for this... as you know, science really can't do much about the paranormal other than offer alternative explanations to naturalistic claims made by people who believe in the paranormal.

There may be several sociological / anthropoligical studies on specific groups using it, but these studies wouldn't be able to speak to anything related to the paranormal. All scholars can do is observe human behavior, so the explanation will always be in terms that scientists can interpret. Therefore, the paranormal will never be included in the study - whether "for" or "against."
 
Noaidi

Noaidi

slow walker
angellous_evangellous said:
Ah, I thought that you were using Brown's "findings" to show "Ouija boards and, yes, it was shown to be all nonsense" and you were applying it to other experiences with Ouija boards.

My mistake I suppose.
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No, my mistake. I can see how my use of the term ‘all nonsense’ could be interpreted as me implying that Derren Brown’s programme conclusively de-bunked all Ouija board experiences. I was referring to the specific situation depicted in the programme i.e. how the participants were manipulated into believing what they were experiencing was a spiritual experience.
 
Noaidi

Noaidi

slow walker
angellous_evangellous said:
I would be surprised if "valid and reliable tests" were available for this... as you know, science really can't do much about the paranormal other than offer alternative explanations to naturalistic claims made by people who believe in the paranormal.
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I think the 'paranormal' is a valid field for scientific study. If the 'spirits' are having an influence on the real world (in this case, physically moving a glass and spelling out a message), then science can legitimately investigate this and determine whether an alternative materialistic explanation exists.

Regarding a scientific explanation into how the Ouija board works, there is a phenomenon known as ideomotor control, whereby people make tiny subconscious and involuntary movements. When the combined micro-movements of the participants touching the planchette reach a critical level, the planchette appears to move of its own accord. If a subconscious consensus is reached as to which letter the planchette should move to (and all it takes is one person’s ideomotor movement to be more dominant than the others), it will move to that letter. It's interesting to observe that as more of a name becomes apparent, the faster the glass will move to complete that name.

Usually, the people who attend Ouija board sessions or who go to see psychics and spirit mediums want to receive a message, and may be more prone to making that message manifest itself. Would we get results if half a dozen hardened sceptics tried the Ouija board? Perhaps, but maybe not with the same ‘success’ rate.

Two psychologists researching the psychology used in magic tricks and illusions say that to test the Ouija board, the participants should be blindfolded whilst touching the glass, thus removing any bias towards particular letters (‘Sleight of Mind’ by Stephen Macknik and Susana Martinez-Conde). Despite a web search, I couldn’t find out if this had been done yet.

What's your own views on Ouija boards?
 
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