How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

[Pogo]

WHY DO YOU NOT RESPOND TO THE FACT I HAVE ALREADY PROVEN THAT NOT ONLY MUST THEY HAVE USED RAMPS BUT A FAR EASIER MEANS IS EVIDENCED ON EVERY PYRAMID?

IS THIS THING ON?

It would be a thousand times easier to pull stones straight up the sides of the step. There is no real doubt that this is exactly how every great pyramid was built. I have shown this. The question is whether teams of superstitious and ignorant bumpkins pulled them up from the tops of the steps or funiculars strung over the step pulled them up.

Ramps are done. Stick them with a fork. Egyptology is done too but one step at a time.

There is no proof here, only absurd assertions.
Do you actually even understand what a funicular is. Never mind that is rhetorical.
A Funicular is a counter balanced system that relays on conterbalanced weights to move the cars up and down so that the only motive energy required is to move the cargo. In your hypothetical case you seem to think that the blocks serve as not only cargo but also as ballast. This works if you just want to move a block up and then watch it come back down while the other one goes up.

Nobody understands you because your understanding/proof is just plain wrong. It may have taken humans thousands of years to write the understanding down in mathematical terms, but what goes up must come down and there is no free lunch has been understood since before words existed to describe these truisms.

Your claims to understand some imaginary internal language (which you claim to be lost to others) is not a greater understanding but a delusional misunderstanding of fundamental physics even before you attempt to discuss chemistry or evolution or anything else that happens.

 

[GoodAttention]

Or use the old fashion method using the sides of the pyramid as the ramp. The ramp does not need to be smooth, just support the load being slid/dragged up it.

Stone-boat - Wikipedia

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Here is one typically used for sliding 1000 lb loads up stairsteps up to 40 degrees or so, increase size as necessary.

The pyramid can be used as a ramp, yes, and it would have been necessary to move the 60tonne granite slabs.

I imagine the pyramid base would have started out at 30 degrees or less to do this.

However, for the rest of the pyramid casting blocks makes more sense.

 

[cladking]

There is no proof here, only absurd assertions.
Do you actually even understand what a funicular is. Never mind that is rhetorical.
A Funicular is a counter balanced system that relays on conterbalanced weights to move the cars up and down so that the only motive energy required is to move the cargo. In your hypothetical case you seem to think that the blocks serve as not only cargo but also as ballast. This works if you just want to move a block up and then watch it come back down while the other one goes up.

Nobody understands you because your understanding/proof is just plain wrong. It may have taken humans thousands of years to write the understanding down in mathematical terms, but what goes up must come down and there is no free lunch has been understood since before words existed to describe these truisms.

Your claims to understand some imaginary internal language (which you claim to be lost to others) is not a greater understanding but a delusional misunderstanding of fundamental physics even before you attempt to discuss chemistry or evolution or anything else that happens.

I keep saying the same things until I'm blue in the face. People want me to solve this and then understand it for them. This is impossible.

Water goes down one end of a linear funicular configured across the top of the pyramid. The other end brings stones up about 12- 18 tons at a time. The men mostly stand around and watch but building 6 1/2 million ton pyramids 481' in a desert requires a lot of human effort even if the gods are already doing most of the work,

The funicular goes back and forth, up and down, or as the builders said "to and fro". Nephthys and isis are the "Harmonious Goddesses" who bring material to the workers and take seker to the Marsh of Offerings. I don't know how much simpler this can be since the builders didn't know everything like we do and every single man understood it perfectly to the degree ancient science understood each of the gods who were tasked with building it.

I don't understand what is so difficult. I know I flit from perspective to perspective a little but every word and sentence is meant literally. Every term should be apparent from context. Then if I say they spoke a metaphysical language I hear a chorus asking what a magical language is. [sigh]

I change perspectives because this is the way I think and I thought this way even before I understood two different metaphysics.

Again all the physical evidence is on my side. There are thousands of data points in the physical evidence itself. I can see these because I know how it was built. They said how it was built many many times. The evidence exists not because they said so but rather they said so because this is how it was built and this is the evidence they left.

926a. To say: The two reed-floats of heaven are placed by the morning-boat for Rē‘,
926b. that Rē‘ may ferry over on them to Horus who inhabits the horizon, to the horizon.
926c. The two reed-floats of heaven are placed by the evening-boat for Horus who inhabits the horizon,
926d. that Horus who inhabits the horizon may ferry over on them to Rē‘, to the horizon.
927a. The two reed-floats of heaven are caused to descend for N. by the morning-boat,
927b. that N. may mount on them to Rē‘, to the horizon.
927c. The two reed-floats of heaven are caused to descend for N. by the evening-boat,
927d. that N. may mount on them to Horus, who inhabits the horizon, to the horizon.
928a. N. mounts on high on this eastern side of heaven where the gods are born;

Many fine details of construction are visible as well as the finished product. From this I can see the evidence that is invisible to Egyptologists and everyone else. This is how I am able to make so many highly detailed predictions and the results are so surprising to Zahi Hawass he won't even let other Egyptologists in on it. I've been dealing with this for years and it gets increasingly surrealistic.

 

[cladking]

Even Petrie knew there was something going on here. This is why he never reached any conclusions and never said "they mustta used ramps". Rather he talked about the difficulty of any ramping configuration and suggested the most likely consistent with the evidence was a long straight ramp on the south side that he knew was a virtual impossibility because of the terrain.

But Petrie was the last real Egyptological scientist. There have been lots of great Egyptologists since but not scientific ones.

This sentence pretty much says everything you need to know about Petrie's findings.

"From this remarkable forking, it [p. 50] is evident that the trench cannot have been made with any ideas of sighting along it, or of its marking out a direction or azimuth; and, starting as it does, from the basalt pavement (or from any building which stood there), and running with a steady fall to the nearest point of the cliff edge, it seems exactly as if intended for a drain; the more so as there is plainly a good deal of water-weanng at a point where it falls sharply, at its enlargement."

This is the main feed for the eastern cliff face counterweight. All of these systems are in utter ruins but you can see their routes and none have been excavated. You can even see the routes on the pyramids themselves. How they worked has to be deduced from the evidence.

I believe virtually all of the work was done by wind and water. Finer details await more data but Egyptology doesn't do data or study anomalies. We are left with WYSIWYG. There seems little doubt any longer (85% probability) that funiculars were used and a 98% chance that stones were pulled from above one step at a time. But still all we here is "ramps" this and "ramps" that.

I'm sure I'm wrong about many things. You can't have so complex a theory as mine and expect it to be right. Perhaps my version is too "flintstones" or perhaps I'm reading too little into what they said. But I can assure you that if it's true that linear funiculars were used then it follows I have found the stinky footed bumpkins and they be us.

 

[Pogo]

The pyramid can be used as a ramp, yes, and it would have been necessary to move the 60tonne granite slabs.

I imagine the pyramid base would have started out at 30 degrees or less to do this.

However, for the rest of the pyramid casting blocks makes more sense.

Ok, this is not the post I was going to respond to, but yes, it is basic physics though some here seem to want to rewrite them with swallows.
Two people can move a half ton up a moderate ramp with the ability to leg press 250 pounds. For more, you don't get bigger people but more of them.
The skids I used had runners of oak about 2 inches wide so the load would be about the same for a 2.5 ton block with 10 inch runners. Simple point this is actually just basic physics and an assumption that a ramp has to be flat is false. In fact minimizing the surface area subject to friction can be an advantage.
As to the larger blocks on the base, yes temporary ramps of rubble with a surface to distribute weight would make sense, but they would not be necessary for hauling smaller blocks up to higher levels, not would imaginary sky cranes or magical funiculars as some here are arguing.

Point is that while it is not intuitively obvious that people could haul a bunch of SUV size objects up into a pyramid, it is not really a problem from a physical reality standpoint.

 

[cladking]

In fact minimizing the surface area subject to friction can be an advantage.

While the statement is technically true it is most highly misleading.

Surface area drops out of the equation for friction. All that matters is the force (weight) and the materials.

 

[cladking]

Point is that while it is not intuitively obvious that people could haul a bunch of SUV size objects up into a pyramid, it is not really a problem from a physical reality standpoint.

Ever try to push a car up a hill?

Ever turn the car upside down first.

 

[Pogo]

I keep saying the same things until I'm blue in the face. People want me to solve this and then understand it for them. This is impossible.

Water goes down one end of a linear funicular configured across the top of the pyramid. The other end brings stones up about 12- 18 tons at a time. The men mostly stand around and watch but building 6 1/2 million ton pyramids 481' in a desert requires a lot of human effort even if the gods are already doing most of the work,

The funicular goes back and forth, up and down, or as the builders said "to and fro". Nephthys and isis are the "Harmonious Goddesses" who bring material to the workers and take seker to the Marsh of Offerings. I don't know how much simpler this can be since the builders didn't know everything like we do and every single man understood it perfectly to the degree ancient science understood each of the gods who were tasked with building it.

I don't understand what is so difficult. I know I flit from perspective to perspective a little but every word and sentence is meant literally. Every term should be apparent from context. Then if I say they spoke a metaphysical language I hear a chorus asking what a magical language is. [sigh]

I change perspectives because this is the way I think and I thought this way even before I understood two different metaphysics.

Again all the physical evidence is on my side. There are thousands of data points in the physical evidence itself. I can see these because I know how it was built. They said how it was built many many times. The evidence exists not because they said so but rather they said so because this is how it was built and this is the evidence they left.

926a. To say: The two reed-floats of heaven are placed by the morning-boat for Rē‘,
926b. that Rē‘ may ferry over on them to Horus who inhabits the horizon, to the horizon.
926c. The two reed-floats of heaven are placed by the evening-boat for Horus who inhabits the horizon,
926d. that Horus who inhabits the horizon may ferry over on them to Rē‘, to the horizon.
927a. The two reed-floats of heaven are caused to descend for N. by the morning-boat,
927b. that N. may mount on them to Rē‘, to the horizon.
927c. The two reed-floats of heaven are caused to descend for N. by the evening-boat,
927d. that N. may mount on them to Horus, who inhabits the horizon, to the horizon.
928a. N. mounts on high on this eastern side of heaven where the gods are born;

Many fine details of construction are visible as well as the finished product. From this I can see the evidence that is invisible to Egyptologists and everyone else. This is how I am able to make so many highly detailed predictions and the results are so surprising to Zahi Hawass he won't even let other Egyptologists in on it. I've been dealing with this for years and it gets increasingly surrealistic.

And where did you get the water to act as the counter balance? You haven't solved anything only demonstrated that you actually do understand physics sufficiently well to understand that fledgling swallows are irrelevant to the point.

You are not presenting any evidence just your personal interpretations of some scattered writings that you are mashing into something that makes you feel knowledgeable.
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There is a simple reason humanity has abandoned meta[hysics as a source of knowledge, it has failed so regularly.
Yours doesn't seem to explain anything usefully any more than any of the other metaphysical ideas that have gone before.

 

[GoodAttention]

Ok, this is not the post I was going to respond to, but yes, it is basic physics though some here seem to want to rewrite them with swallows.

Unlike you I’m here to learn, not condescend.

Two people can move a half ton up a moderate ramp with the ability to leg press 250 pounds. For more, you don't get bigger people but more of them.
The skids I used had runners of oak about 2 inches wide so the load would be about the same for a 2.5 ton block with 10 inch runners. Simple point this is actually just basic physics and an assumption that a ramp has to be flat is false. In fact minimizing the surface area subject to friction can be an advantage.
As to the larger blocks on the base, yes temporary ramps of rubble with a surface to distribute weight would make sense, but they would not be necessary for hauling smaller blocks up to higher levels, not would imaginary sky cranes or magical funiculars as some here are arguing.

Point is that while it is not intuitively obvious that people could haul a bunch of SUV size objects up into a pyramid, it is not really a problem from a physical reality standpoint.

Since I became aware of the 60 tonne granite stones used in the Pharoahs room I have had to consider ramps.

Although an SUV is still about 40 times short of the reality.

 

[Pogo]

Even Petrie knew there was something going on here. This is why he never reached any conclusions and never said "they mustta used ramps". Rather he talked about the difficulty of any ramping configuration and suggested the most likely consistent with the evidence was a long straight ramp on the south side that he knew was a virtual impossibility because of the terrain.

But Petrie was the last real Egyptological scientist. There have been lots of great Egyptologists since but not scientific ones.

This sentence pretty much says everything you need to know about Petrie's findings.

"From this remarkable forking, it [p. 50] is evident that the trench cannot have been made with any ideas of sighting along it, or of its marking out a direction or azimuth; and, starting as it does, from the basalt pavement (or from any building which stood there), and running with a steady fall to the nearest point of the cliff edge, it seems exactly as if intended for a drain; the more so as there is plainly a good deal of water-weanng at a point where it falls sharply, at its enlargement."

This is the main feed for the eastern cliff face counterweight. All of these systems are in utter ruins but you can see their routes and none have been excavated. You can even see the routes on the pyramids themselves. How they worked has to be deduced from the evidence.

I believe virtually all of the work was done by wind and water. Finer details await more data but Egyptology doesn't do data or study anomalies. We are left with WYSIWYG. There seems little doubt any longer (85% probability) that funiculars were used and a 98% chance that stones were pulled from above one step at a time. But still all we here is "ramps" this and "ramps" that.

I'm sure I'm wrong about many things. You can't have so complex a theory as mine and expect it to be right. Perhaps my version is too "flintstones" or perhaps I'm reading too little into what they said. But I can assure you that if it's true that linear funiculars were used then it follows I have found the stinky footed bumpkins and they be us.

Besides not understanding ramps, you seem to be claiming that water flows uphill to provide your ballast/counterweight or are you next going to argue for an aquaduct to supply the water or had they invented windmills to wind the rope to pull the weights?

Maybe 19th century egyptologists were all out to lunch, but that does nothing for your proposed alternatives.

 

[Pogo]

And where did you get the water to act as the counter balance? You haven't solved anything only demonstrated that you actually do understand physics sufficiently well to understand that fledgling swallows are irrelevant to the point.

You are not presenting any evidence just your personal interpretations of some scattered writings that you are mashing into something that makes you feel knowledgeable.
.
There is a simple reason humanity has abandoned meta[hysics as a source of knowledge, it has failed so regularly.
Yours doesn't seem to explain anything usefully any more than any of the other metaphysical ideas that have gone before.

 

[Pogo]

The pyramid can be used as a ramp, yes, and it would have been necessary to move the 60tonne granite slabs.

I imagine the pyramid base would have started out at 30 degrees or less to do this.

However, for the rest of the pyramid casting blocks makes more sense.

You are mixing concepts and conversations again which seems to be a characteristic of yours,
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Apples and Kumquats, the discussion was whether ramps were needed at all levels, though I will agree that they would probably be a better solution for the very large base stones.

Good bye.

 

[GoodAttention]

You are mixing concepts and conversations again which seems to be a characteristic of yours,
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Apples and Kumquats, the discussion was whether ramps were needed at all levels, though I will agree that they would probably be a better solution for the very large base stones.

Good bye.

Your petulance won’t be missed.

 

[cladking]

And where did you get the water to act as the counter balance?

507c. effervescent, proceeding from leg and tail of the Great (One) who is in splendour.
508a. N. is come to his watercourses, which are in the land of the flood, in Mḥ.t-wr.t,

692c. He is effervescent; he is effervescent; Shu, let thy arms be about N.

868b. thy water, thy cool water-libation is the inundation of the Great One (who) which is come forth from thee.

22a. This is thy cool water, Osiris; this is thy cool water, O N., which went forth from thy son, which went forth from Horus.

1553b. They tremble who see the inundation (when) it tosses;
1554a. (but) the marshes laugh; the shores are become green;
1554b. the divine offerings descend; the face of men brightens; the heart of the gods rejoices.

The builders said many times where the water came from; an effervescent cool water source that tosses on the Giza Plateau.

They even said what caused it to toss;

2109. The sky trembles, the earth quakes before the god, before N.
2110a. N. [is not enveloped] by the earth;
2110b. ’Iḫ.t-wt.t, thou art not enveloped by the earth.
2110c. Thy fame is by day; thy fear is by night, as a god, lord of fear.

It was "’Iḫ.t-wt.t," that caused it to toss. This word means "risings begetter" because it caused bread to rise, foam on beer to rise, and Osiries to stand at Giza.

We can't see it but it's still carbon dioxide.

 

[Pogo]

507c. effervescent, proceeding from leg and tail of the Great (One) who is in splendour.
508a. N. is come to his watercourses, which are in the land of the flood, in Mḥ.t-wr.t,

692c. He is effervescent; he is effervescent; Shu, let thy arms be about N.

868b. thy water, thy cool water-libation is the inundation of the Great One (who) which is come forth from thee.

22a. This is thy cool water, Osiris; this is thy cool water, O N., which went forth from thy son, which went forth from Horus.

1553b. They tremble who see the inundation (when) it tosses;
1554a. (but) the marshes laugh; the shores are become green;
1554b. the divine offerings descend; the face of men brightens; the heart of the gods rejoices.

The builders said many times where the water came from; an effervescent cool water source that tosses on the Giza Plateau.

They even said what caused it to toss;

2109. The sky trembles, the earth quakes before the god, before N.
2110a. N. [is not enveloped] by the earth;
2110b. ’Iḫ.t-wt.t, thou art not enveloped by the earth.
2110c. Thy fame is by day; thy fear is by night, as a god, lord of fear.

It was "’Iḫ.t-wt.t," that caused it to toss. This word means "risings begetter" because it caused bread to rise, foam on beer to rise, and Osiries to stand at Giza.

We can't see it but it's still carbon dioxide.

There is a reason humans were able to build pyramids and it is because thinking like this was already in decline.

 

[cladking]

You haven't solved anything only demonstrated that you actually do understand physics sufficiently well to understand that fledgling swallows are irrelevant to the point.

Swallows are relevant.

I figured out the meaning of those lines after watching videos of swallow fledglings. Now they are one of the bread crumbs I use to mark my trail. The builders said the stones are like the fledglings of swallows. It is you who believe they didn't mean it. and you believe I don't mean anything in this post. i assure you I mean every word.

There is a simple reason humanity has abandoned meta[hysics as a source of knowledge, it has failed so regularly.

By "metaphysics" I mean "basis of science". Next time you're on my ignore list. Life is too short for word games.

Maybe 19th century egyptologists were all out to lunch, but that does nothing for your proposed alternatives.

19th century Egyptologists tended to be better but less knowledgeable. The problem was Champollion's solution didn't work for Ancient Language because the formatting was different.

 

[cladking]

There is a reason humans were able to build pyramids and it is because thinking like this was already in decline.

I hesitate to ask, but what thinking is that?

 

[cladking]

It was "’Iḫ.t-wt.t," that caused it to toss. This word means "risings begetter" because it caused bread to rise, foam on beer to rise, and Osiries to stand at Giza.

There's actually quite a lot about "CO2" in the Pyramid Texts and the Coffin Texts. I'd love to justify my interpretation of the word "’Iḫ.t-wt.t," but nobody cares. They've already got their minds made up that none of this makes any sense at all because that's what Egyptologists say based on Champollion's work. It doesn't matter to anyone that "’Iḫ.t-wt.t," is used again and again everywhere "CO2" would fit because people didn't used to make sense because there was no science. Since they made no sense it follows it's mere coincidence that "’Iḫ.t-wt.t," looks, smells, tastes, and sinks to the earth just like CO2.

We are a remarkable species where everyone knows everything and no two people agree! Homo omnisciencis.

 

[cladking]

Since they made no sense it follows it's mere coincidence that "’Iḫ.t-wt.t," looks, smells, tastes, and sinks to the earth just like CO2.

Nor does it matter that they built a high wall around the builders village following along the valley to protect it from CO2 flowing down the wadi. No matter they put this village far from the pyramid because the long walk to work got them all warmed up for a busy day of stinky footed stone dragging.

 

[cladking]

2110b. ’Iḫ.t-wt.t, thou art not enveloped by the earth.
2110c. Thy fame is by day; thy fear is by night, as a god, lord of fear.

Did I neglect to mention that during the day the lightest breeze disperses CO2 making it harmless. At night the wind slows and CO2 puddles in low lying areas killing every living thing that wanders into it.

Lord of fear.