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How Did You Find Your Faith?

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
Yes, that is typical Catholic teaching. If your belief disagrees with the Bible just throw out the Bible and believe what the church wants you to believe. The Bible clearly says faith is a gift but the church does not want you to believe that.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Yes, that is typical Catholic teaching. If your belief disagrees with the Bible just throw out the Bible and believe what the church wants you to believe. The Bible clearly says faith is a gift but the church does not want you to believe that.
Nothing I said disagrees with the Bible. Try again. Unlike what you think, Catholics do have Bibles and we read them. They even have more books in the canon than the Protestants do! Imagine that! :eek::rolleyes:
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Oh, there are mysteries out there that are unexplainable yet this is one of those areas that can seem unfair. Is there even a point to seeking then?
Lots of stuff seems unfair. Economic strata at birth. Brains. Looks. Sudden disease. Lottery winners. Who said life was supposed to be fair?
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I could probably come up with something interesting if I tried hard enough, but truth is I was raised in it.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Nice question.

Or lack thereof?

I'm just curious how others here have come to their faith or religion, why they feel it is right for them, or what it means to them. A lot of people search yet can't find what they seek spiritually.

I came to my faith by "giving in." I only practice two belief systems Catholic and Buddhism. Everything else are practices rather than actual religions.

I wasn't raised religious. Mother took us to church because she wanted a perfect Christian family, two kids-boy and a girl, labor dog, and a white picket fence (no joke. She wanted this). I came to Christianity because of knowledge. I wanted to be a nun and remember I did because I just wanted to study the Bible. So that's what I did in most my teen years.

Had brain surgery, lost my interest due to depression. Then I met my Catholic friend and went to Mass with her for over 15 years. I made the jump, became Catholic. Never regretted it.

So that's where my faith started, really. Joining the Church. I learned about prayer, devotion, and sacredness secrecy. I learned about turning from old habits and developing new. I learned support and family acceptance.

However, I've been in college for over 12 years and I always came back for the thirst of knowledge. Catholicism is about the heart but for me, to get to that "spiritual feeling" I travel back to my mind.

I can't remember where I learned about Buddhism, but from it, I practiced Zen for a good couple of years. Then, a Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist took me to their temple and I stayed for a good half a year.

Then I started learning about the Sutras from Pali suttas to Mahayana (since the Zen thing stuck). It wasn't something I needed to believe. It was something that "made sense." It didn't become a conversion like taking the sacraments.

I gave in.

It was a realization to reality; and, now I am on the journey of how to live it rather than what to believe first. It became a foundation.

I felt it's right because I feel that the mind is the source of all emotions or what we define as our "heart." Catholicism is a heart faith and I felt I was floating on emotions. So, now I float on knowledge. I also found that Bodhisattvas role is to help others to enlightenment by using different means and analogies appropriate for people to reach that state. So I took public speaking, started going into a career that gives knowledge and helps people communicate with each other. I'm taking language because of it.

I don't know if I can say "it" means a lot to me. The closest I can get is "I love life." I value life and living. I came through a lot to be here; so, no matter what the religion is called, as long as I can give knowledge, help others, and practice a foundation regardless if it's giving offerings to The Buddha, practicing the Dharma, or visiting my grandmothers at Mass, everything is a part of life -- or a a part of god--

I can't see spirituality any other way.

So, I gave in.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
When the Bible says grace is through faith and faith is a gift but you say grace is available to everyone, then YES you do say something that disagrees with the Bible.
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
A short version...

I was highly interested in learning about religion and philosophy even as a very young child. Studied and discussed them as much as I could. I liked and agreed with this or that from several traditions (still do!) but had various issues/internal conflict with the well-known ones. Luckily, I began to dig up more and more stuff about pre-Christian European traditions...stuff that kept fully resonating with who/what I am, my experiences, the way I perceive the world around me, etc.

Just felt like joyful self-discovery combined with a wonderful sense of belonging that grew and grew - no awkward feeling of needing to convince or convert my self.
 

OceanSoul

Member
Yeah, I don't believe that. I think that God wills His entire creation towards Him. Now, how we respond to it or if we even sense it, depends on multiple variables. The openness of our hearts and minds, our understanding of spirituality and God, culture, our unique situation in life including our personalities and health problems, etc. There's many things to factor in.

I have noticed that many people who have lost their faith or didn't have faith in the first place usually were exposed to negative aspects of religion and/or it wasn't presented to them well enough. Literalism, especially, ruins the faith of many people and turns them away from openness to religion. That is certainly a failing on the part of religious people which we will have to answer for. All of these various things need to be factored in.

For example, in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, it says in part about atheism:

2125 Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the virtue of religion.61 The imputability of this offense can be significantly diminished in virtue of the intentions and the circumstances. "Believers can have more than a little to do with the rise of atheism. To the extent that they are careless about their instruction in the faith, or present its teaching falsely, or even fail in their religious, moral, or social life, they must be said to conceal rather than to reveal the true nature of God and of religion."62

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm

Anyway, God knows the depths of each soul and His mercy is far more than His wrath. So He would understand.

Literalism can create serious cognitive dissonance which explains Young Earth Creationists.

Believers also contribute to people struggling with their faith in fact the way some other Christians have approached me insultingly or did things that were mean-spirited towards others or me along with poor apologetics is a part of why I moved away from Christianity.

No one is perfect, but self-righteousness is annoying when it comes from a person who can't look in the mirror and see they have their own issues too. Sigh, not all Christians are like that I know.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
You may not believe the Bible but it says in Ephesians 2:8 that people are saved by grace through faith and that faith is a gift from God. Why He gives it to some people and not others is something you will have to ask Him. Maybe some people really are special?

I think you're kinda twisting what the bible means in regards to God giving grace etc.

(Put's on her Christian hat)

God doesn't choose to give grace to people. That's like saying Jesus choose to die for some people but not others. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus died for a selective amount of people.

Instead, the Bible says everything that comes from god only comes to a selective people who want or are called to receive his gift.

For example, if a parent has gifts for all her children (and she says she loves all her children), she will give the gift to all of them.

However, it's the child that says "I want it" or "I don't want it"

Some people say here that their parent gave a gift and they were called to accept it. Others say they realized they were given a gift and they choose to accept it.

If god died for everyone, why would you think his father would be selective in who he chose to love and save?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Or lack thereof?

I'm just curious how others here have come to their faith or religion, why they feel it is right for them, or what it means to them. A lot of people search yet can't find what they seek spiritually.
(points finger upwards and proclaims)........SCIENCE!!!

works for me...
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
I said nothing about predestination. I said faith is a GIFT from God and He does not give that gift to everyone. Ephesians fully supports this. But again, Catholic teaching says that if something they want you to believe disagrees with the Bible then you throw aout the Bible and believe what they want yout to believe.
 

OceanSoul

Member
A short version...

I was highly interested in learning about religion and philosophy even as a very young child. Studied and discussed them as much as I could. I liked and agreed with this or that from several traditions (still do!) but had various issues/internal conflict with the well-known ones. Luckily, I began to dig up more and more stuff about pre-Christian European traditions...stuff that kept fully resonating with who/what I am, my experiences, the way I perceive the world around me, etc.

Just felt like joyful self-discovery combined with a wonderful sense of belonging that grew and grew - no awkward feeling of needing to convince or convert my self.

Quite a journey. Religion is something I like reading and studying about too along with mythology. It's fascinating what different people believe in, what they practice, and how they express their spiritual way of life.

Having a sense of belonging is important.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
So you believe in science?
grew up reading encyclopedias......

scored a rank of superior under a gov survey test (grade school)

can do anything I decide worthwhile....

and when looking up.......
God can shame my best effort on my best day......with the least of His own
 

OceanSoul

Member
I said nothing about predestination. I said faith is a GIFT from God and He does not give that gift to everyone. Ephesians fully supports this. But again, Catholic teaching says that if something they want you to believe disagrees with the Bible then you throw aout the Bible and believe what they want yout to believe.

I'm not Catholic (nor is my background) but I don't think they believe that. The Bible has importance yet that doesn't mean that is the only place to get theology. The Trinity isn't even in the Bible as far as I know, the concept came later on. You can Google the Council of Nicea or read the writings of the Church Fathers who developed Christology.
 

OceanSoul

Member
grew up reading encyclopedias......

scored a rank of superior under a gov survey test (grade school)

can do anything I decide worthwhile....

and when looking up.......
God can shame my best effort on my best day......with the least of His own

Ah, I see what you mean. Just clarifying.
 
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