How do Abrahamic religions interpret this?

[Aquitaine]

rewarded for study and focus on the religion. We learn logic and thinking, we gain insight into methodology and begin to appreciate the complexity and pervasiveness of the divine influence in all areas of life, and even beyond the life we live.

I'm assuming you also take some sort of "influence" regarding morality from the studying of these laws?

 

[Unification]

Quick question. Under what circumstances, outside of immediately harming another human being, would you consider it moral and just to kill your own child?

It would be moral and just to kill my own seed in my mind. I'd probably have a million children(neurons-cells) alone that would need killed just by taking these myths literally. Those children need destroyed.

 

[Unification]

I'll assume obedience to God meant survival for the tribe. Better to kill a loved one then threaten the survival of the group. this God had flooded the world because of man's evil. Ensuring obedience to God was saving the world from another cleansing.

Well I suppose a promise was made. Still I imagine this didn't rule out selective cleansing.

The mind needs flooded and cleansed.
By taking these stories and myths and allegories literally, that alone would need cleansed and flooded.

 

[rosends]

I'm assuming you also take some sort of "influence" regarding morality from the studying of these laws?

Not in a specific sense, but in my appreciation of the divine overarching power in the universe.

 

[Aquitaine]

Not in a specific sense, but in my appreciation of the divine overarching power in the universe.

So you think that executing people for idolatry (as well as their children) is an expression of divine judgement, justice and power?

 

[rosends]

So you think that executing people for idolatry (as well as their children) is an expression of divine judgement, justice and power?

Yep.

 

[Aquitaine]

Yep.

Why?

 

[rosends]

Why?

Because it follows divine law, showing ultimate justice even when human sense might disagree. Subsuming the human reasoning to the divine is the crux.

 

[Aquitaine]

Because it follows divine law, showing ultimate justice even when human sense might disagree. Subsuming the human reasoning to the divine is the crux.

Does it ever worry you that maybe this "divine justice" is the product of ancient humans, and that you may be trying to justify completely unethical and horrific acts purely because you've been hoodwinked in to thinking it's the product of a mythical superbeing?

 

[Moishe3rd]

Does it ever worry you that maybe this "divine justice" is the product of ancient humans, and that you may be trying to justify completely unethical and horrific acts purely because you've been hoodwinked in to thinking it's the product of a mythical superbeing?

I am curious. When people ask such questions in such a manner, it implies that they really find the idea of the Divine ridiculous and beneath worthy intellectual consideration.
What values do you live by? Where do you think your values come from?
In your value system, it everything all the same? Is murder; torture; beheadings; stealing; every kind of sexual lust forced on the willing or unwilling; the joy of destruction for its own sake; kidnapping; the abuse of children; abortion as birth control; etc. - all the same as the opposite of these acts; being more virtuous than these acts?
If it's not all the same - why not? Have you ever considered the question?
Just curious.

 

[Aquitaine]

I am curious. When people ask such questions in such a manner, it implies that they really find the idea of the Divine ridiculous and beneath worthy intellectual consideration.
What values do you live by? Where do you think your values come from?
In your value system, it everything all the same? Is murder; torture; beheadings; stealing; every kind of sexual lust forced on the willing or unwilling; the joy of destruction for its own sake; kidnapping; the abuse of children; abortion as birth control; etc. - all the same as the opposite of these acts; being more virtuous than these acts?
If it's not all the same - why not? Have you ever considered the question?
Just curious.

My own values of "morality" tend to follow a fairly simple formula: how beneficial something is versus how harmful it is.
Which ever value I deem to be greater will generally determine whether I approve/disapprove of the activity in question.

My values come from my interactions with others, the evaluation of people's boundaries along with "The Golden Rule": Do as you wish to be done by.

I hope that answers your question(?).

 

[rosends]

Does it ever worry you that maybe this "divine justice" is the product of ancient humans, and that you may be trying to justify completely unethical and horrific acts purely because you've been hoodwinked in to thinking it's the product of a mythical superbeing?

Nope.

 

[Moishe3rd]

My own values of "morality" tend to follow a fairly simple formula: how beneficial something is versus how harmful it is.
Which ever value I deem to be greater will generally determine whether I approve/disapprove of the activity in question.

My values come from my interactions with others, the evaluation of people's boundaries along with "The Golden Rule": Do as you wish to be done by.

I hope that answers your question(?).

It answers my question - but not yours...
Are you aware where your "Golden Rule" comes from?
Do you have any idea that this "Golden Rule" is a unique aphorism that is NOT practiced by any other culture on planet Earth and was not known outside of its culture before this "Golden Rule" came into existence?

However, you have given me new insight to the G-d scoffers. I am thinking that those who reject the Divine also reject, or at least are ignorant of, History. An interesting theorem. I wonder if it's true...

 

[Aquitaine]

Nope.

Do you think skepticism is healthy?

Are you aware where your "Golden Rule" comes from?

Reciprocation. Humans are social creatures after all, it's been observed in other social species too.

Do you have any idea that this "Golden Rule" is a unique aphorism that is NOT practiced by any other culture on planet Earth and was not known outside of its culture before this "Golden Rule" came into existence?

I disagree, it appears to be practiced to some degree in virtually every society. Otherwise societies wouldn't progress. Reciprocation is one of the fundamental aspects which are essential for social creatures to live together.

However, you have given me new insight to the G-d scoffers. I am thinking that those who reject the Divine also reject, or at least are ignorant of, History. An interesting theorem. I wonder if it's true...

Probably not.
I am also an Allah scoffer, Jehovah scoffer, Zeus scoffer and Xenu scoffer. Since you're an Allah, Jehovah, Zeus and Xenu scoffer yourself, do you care to enlighten me as to why you are also apparently ignorant of history, according to your little observation?

 

[Deidre]

However, you have given me new insight to the G-d scoffers. I am thinking that those who reject the Divine also reject, or at least are ignorant of, History. An interesting theorem. I wonder if it's true...

How does one reject something that can't be proven? lol

 

[Deidre]

Well having been an Abrahamic, I would view my religion as an evolving understanding not married to ancient texts.

one would have to perform a lot of mental gymnastics in order to divorce one's self of the fact that a god is suggesting to murder people in these texts.

 

[Aquitaine]

How does one reject something that can't be proven? lol

I know right. What's also hilarious is that practically every religious ideology will claim itself as the source of the "divine". Who would've thought we'd have so many exclusive, one-and-only Divine Creators?

 

[Deidre]

I know right. What's also hilarious is that practically every religious ideology will claim itself as the source of the "divine". Who would've thought we'd have so many exclusive, one-and-only Divine Creators?

'tis a mystery.

 

[George-ananda]

one would have to perform a lot of mental gymnastics in order to divorce one's self of the fact that a god is suggesting to murder people in these texts.

The easy gymnastics is understanding that this is just what an ancient human writer wrote about God.

 

[Deidre]

The easy gymnastics is understanding that this is just what an ancient human writer wrote about God.

but why was it written? these texts are put forth as being the ''word of God.''
if it's not the word of God, then people should stop suggesting that it is.
if it is the word of God, then so be it. But, God looks bad in certain passages, and people make excuses for that.
one of the many reasons I walked away from faith, George. lol