How do Christian's explain

[stvdv]

I'm not surprised that Islam and Hinduism reject Christianity's claims of Who Christ is. It's the reason their followers still aren't Christians. This thread is like asking Muslims to explain the fact that Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Zoroastrians just think that Muhammad was a regular guy and the Qur'an wasn't from God.

Problem of reject Jesus has more to to with Christians rejecting, belittling other religions/faiths. See it as karma.

"what goes around comes around"

 

[Faithofchristian]

Hello. Yes Baha’is too are also taught that Jesus was a Manifestation of God, a reflection of God, a Prophet, but not the essence of God incarnate. His relationship with God was very close but Jesus said that ‘My Father is greater than I’ indicative of separate identities. In purpose He also said ‘My Father and are one’ but also stated that His followers could be one with both Him and the Father indicating in harmony not the same person. In another passage Jesus said, referring to Himself that no Prophet is persecuted as much as in His own hometown. He Himself referred to Himself as Prophet as well as the title Son of God but He said that we too could all become sons of God indicating again it was a title not that we all are physical sons of God.

Hare Krishnas and Muslims have a good understanding of Jesus. Christians out of love for Him sometimes do elevate Him to the status of God which Jesus denies saying ‘there is none good but 9ne, that is God’.

If you know you’re Bible you know the quotes I’m referring to. I don’t have the time to look them all up.

Nope not at all. Upon Jesus saying. That the Father is greater than I.

What this means is that while Jesus was of flesh and blood, the Father was greater than Jesus being of flesh and blood.
Therefore Jesus is God. In flesh and blood.

God the Father made himself a body of flesh and blood to come down here to show people how everything is to be done. This why in Scriptures. Jesus is our example. As Jesus set forth the example in everything that he did, to be the example in which we are to follow.

Bible Hebrews 10:5---"Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me"
What this mean is that God prepared himself a body of flesh and blood ( Jesus Christ) to be sacrifice for the sin of the world.

 

[Glaurung]

It doesn't really matter if The Muslims and Hate Krishna's came after Jesus. They still have been around for ages and have alot of authority in religion and I still say it is proof Jesus was just a man.

This makes no sense, at all.

 

[Glaurung]

Problem of reject Jesus has more to to with Christians rejecting, belittling other religions/faiths. See it as karma.

Christianity is a claim not only about who God is but what he has done in real history. Its acceptance necessitates the rejection of all other faiths. I know many people don't like to hear that these days but I'm sorry, I believe in truth of Christianity over the feelings of those who hold to other faiths. By logical necessity, I hold that those who reject Christ are wrong. That's not being mean, that's being coherent.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Islam in the 600's, India whenever an idea of Who Christ was became known widely enough in public discourse (probably not for a long time), and you call that "the early days of Christianity"?

I'm not surprised that Islam and Hinduism reject Christianity's claims of Who Christ is. It's the reason their followers still aren't Christians. This thread is like asking Muslims to explain the fact that Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Zoroastrians just think that Muhammad was a regular guy and the Qur'an wasn't from God.

If however a person reads the Muslim's Qu'ran. They will notice not one time does Allah speak or say anything. It's always Muhammad speaking. Putting words in the mouth of Allah. Where as the bible a person will find God himself speaking and not always the Prophets speaking. But God himself speaking. This why the bible/ scriptures are called the Word of God.

 

[Faithofchristian]

What people don't realize is that Jesus Christ foretold in Prophecy in his book of Revelation, all about Muslims as to how Muslims would come like locust deceiving and being deceived themselves like the locust covering the earth. As Muslims have no clue or idea that they are being deceived themselves and go about deceiving.

 

[stvdv]

Christianity is a claim not only about who God is but what he has done in real history. Its acceptance necessitates the rejection of all other faiths. I know many people don't like to hear that these days but I'm sorry, I believe in truth of Christianity over the feelings of those who hold to other faiths. By logical necessity, I hold that those who reject Christ are wrong. That's not being mean, that's being coherent.

That is at best your opinion. It is not a fact. I have met a few Christians who have a different opinion. I must admit, I did not meet many. But even if I met 1, then your claim is not a fact.

My Master says that Christianity is a valid path, and He also says that there is no needed to reject all other faiths. But he also says it's good to stick to 1 faith; this does not mean to be mean, by belittling other faiths though.

Anyway, the way in which you write your reply, you even violate RF Rule 8. Just mention "I believe" or "IMO", and no one's feelings get hurt.

Or do you claim that Jesus said explicitly to go around and belittle the faith of others? Then please show me that Bible verse. I do remember just a few Bible verses. The Greatest Commandment "Love God and equal to that, Love thy neighbor". Hurting on purpose is not real Love. Another one is "do unto others ...". Do you want others to belittle Jesus, then go ahead and tell and belittle others, else it would be hypocritical IMO.

To be clear: I have totally no problem if you say "I believe that I must reject all other faiths and also tell them and belittle them".
Key difference is "I believe" added to your line (In RF language we call it Rule 8)

 

[Glaurung]

That is at best your opinion. It is not a fact. I have met a few Christians who have a different opinion. I must admit, I did not meet many. But even if I met 1, then your claim is not a fact.

The Apostles' and Nicene Creeds are not opinions. They define what the faith is about. Christianity in all its 'orthodox' forms is doctrinal.

My Master says that Christianity is a valid path, and He also says that there is no needed to reject all other faiths. But he also says it's good to stick to 1 faith; this does not mean to be mean, by belittling other faiths though.

What belittlement? I said that different religions teach mutually exclusive things. Conflicting claims cannot all be true. It's a basic fact of logic.

Anyway, the way in which you write your reply, you even violate RF Rule 8. Just mention "I believe" or "IMO", and no one's feelings get hurt.

I think you're reading into my posts what simply isn't there.

My post says what exactly? Christianity makes claims, some of these claims are mutually exclusive with the claims made by other religions. That is not in and of itself an attack on anyone's religion. For example, for the majority of Christians Jesus is God. For Muslims Jesus was a merely human prophet. I don't belittle Islam by pointing out that both cannot be right. Either one is wrong and the other is right, or both are wrong.

Or do you claim that Jesus said explicitly to go around and belittle the faith of others? Then please show me that Bible verse. I do remember just a few Bible verses. The Greatest Commandment "Love God and equal to that, Love thy neighbor". Hurting on purpose is not real Love. Another one is "do unto others ...". Do you want others to belittle Jesus, then go ahead and tell and belittle others, else it would be hypocritical IMO.

In John 14:6 for one. Jesus claims to be the sole means to God. And that's just off the top off my head. If I were to put time and effort into it, I could compile other verses wherein the God of the Bible makes exclusive claims to both worship and divinity.

Regardless, I haven't actually said Christianity is true as a point of fact. I said that Christianity's claims are exclusive and if you believe in Christianity you reject other religions by logical necessity. I can't believe in judgement and reincarnation at the same time. The immorality and individuality of the soul and anatta at the same time. The divinity of Christ and the prophethood of Mohammad at the same time. I believe in truth, and truth does not contradict itself. I could be wrong about the what the truth is. I may die and find myself before Yama and his mahogany desk. In which case, I hope I'm on the positive side of the karmic scale.

To be clear: I have totally no problem if you say "I believe that I must reject all other faiths and also tell them and belittle them".

That Christianity has content is not something that I need to qualify. You'll notice that when I do make statements of belief, I do qualify them.

Christianity is a claim not only about who God is but what he has done in real history. Its acceptance necessitates the rejection of all other faiths. I know many people don't like to hear that these days but I'm sorry, I believe in truth of Christianity over the feelings of those who hold to other faiths. By logical necessity, I hold that those who reject Christ are wrong. That's not being mean, that's being coherent.
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Notice the language here. I believe, I hold.

 

[stvdv]

Thanks for your reply. Below is not to debate your view, just sharing my view. I don't know the Truth, just groping (Truth concept is too big for me).

What belittlement? I said that different religious teach mutually exclusive things. Conflicting claims cannot all be true. It's a basic fact of logic.

I can't argue that. But sometimes claims can both be true depending upon the context. 8+9=17(D) and 8+9=11(H) are both true. Same in spirituality

I don't belittle Islam by pointing out that both cannot be right.

In this way, you put it very mild and gently IMO.
My uncle has Rajneesh as Guru, and Rajneesh belittles Sai Baba (my Guru)
So once I told him "both can't be right". He never spoke to me again
I learned that it's not always needed to point out things to others
If my words anger the other, generally I think I better be silent

Either one is wrong and the other is right, or both are wrong.

Truth is quite a big thing. Even in simple matters like Relativity theory, I think (100% sure) that Einstein saw more truth than I see
Knowing the hugeness of the Universe makes me humble, and wonder "probably Universal Truth is beyond my understanding"

In John 14:6 for one. Jesus claims to be the sole means to God. And that's just off the top off my head. If I were to put time and effort into it, I could compile other verses wherein the God of the Bible makes exclusive claims to both worship and divinity.

You just quote my favorite "6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
I read this verse as "I am" = "God", so "6 Jesus saith unto him, God the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
And if God is the way, then other religions, dealing with God, are also the way
This is not to debate you, just show you that I read this differently, and have a different opinion. Both have a point IMO. I leave the rest to God.
(And as you might have noticed, I hold Jesus in very high esteem; they seem to be ONE to me ... Jesus..God..Father..me)

I believe in truth, and truth does not contradict itself

I see ca. 2000 million Christians and 2000 million Muslims. It seems both think to know the Truth, that makes 2000 million have it wrong
Makes me wonder ... probably all who think they know the Truth have it wrong ("think to know the Truth" is contradicting in itself)
Maybe an enlightened being knows the Truth, but even this I am not sure of, because the Universe is quite big, and humans are minuscule
So I tend to believe that no human will ever be able to know the Full Truth available in the Universe.

I could be wrong about the what the truth is. I may die and find myself before Yama and his mahogany desk. In which case, I hope I'm on the positive side of the karmic scale

Thanks, here we are totally on the same line. I even go one step further (I am wrong about what the Truth is).

That Christianity has content is not something that I need to qualify. You'll notice that when I do make statements of belief, I do qualify them.

Christianity is a claim not only about who God is but what he has done in real history. Its acceptance necessitates the rejection of all other faiths. I know many people don't like to hear that these days but I'm sorry, I believe in truth of Christianity over the feelings of those who hold to other faiths. By logical necessity, I hold that those who reject Christ are wrong. That's not being mean, that's being coherent.
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Notice the language here. I believe, I hold.

. I like this.

I struggled with "Its acceptance necessitates the rejection of all other faiths.". Because I also believe in Jesus (I can not deny Jesus, because He once appeared before me), but I don't believe that I need to reject all other faiths. But if the red believe also covers that line, then you put it perfectly, and the confusion was my mistake.

Thanks for all the effort to clarify this. And I believe you might be on the positive side of the karmic scale, as you seem to dedicate everything to Jesus (Krishna declared "offer all your thoughts, words, deeds unto me, and they will be karma free" if I understood the Bhagavad Gita correctly).

 

[1213]

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To me sense other religions have taught Christ was a prophet sense way back to me it's proof that the God man belief in the Bible was a myth.
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Interesting thing is that the Bible itself says also the same:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

 

[sojourner]

Not all Christians believe in the trinity. It is the version enforced by Rome so widespread in the Old World carried forth into the New World.

The concept of the Trinity was extant before The church became imperialized.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I went to Hare Krishna temple in Dallas 10 years ago the teacher told me this when I said something the Christian church.

He said the Hare Krishna have also always believed in Jesus sense way back. But they don"t believe he's a God man but good prophet ..

My Muslim friend told me the same thing Muslins sense way have always taught about Christ but Christian's don"t know who he is.

To me sense other religions have taught Christ was a prophet sense way back to me it's proof that the God man belief in the Bible was a myth.

How do you explain other religions teaching this especially if it goes back to days in early Christianity?

What people believe, is never proof of anything other then them believing things.

This goes for christians who believe jesus is god.
This goes for non-christian theists who believe jesus is a prophet.

How does a christian explain it?
Pretty much the same way the muslim explains it: "you are wrong and I am correct, because my religion says so".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

One of the factors that makes the story of Jesus so compelling is (Matt 27:53) where many of the dead that had believed in Christ rose and gave testimony of Jesus. Some sources say 500 people, others do not give a number. So, it wasn't ONLY the resurrection of Jesus, but also the supporting testimony of those who were known to have died.

Funny how not a single contemporary independent source thought it was significant enough to mention that hundreds of zombie's were walking aroudn.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Therefore Christianity is the oldest Religion there is.

You can believe that if you want.
But you'll just miss the fact that you're wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Christianity goes back to the time of Jesus Christ and his disciples. Therefore Christianity is the oldest Religion there is. In believing in Christ Jesus is God in flesh and blood..

No, Hinduism is far older. Even if you try to use your book of myths to support your claims you will lose since the Hindu book of myths says that their beliefs are far older.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Funny how not a single contemporary independent source thought it was significant enough to mention that hundreds of zombie's were walking aroudn.

Hey!! Don't dis the zombie apocalypse. That is probably the best part of the New Testament. Now where did I put Lucille?

 

[Subduction Zone]

This makes no sense, at all.

Then she is in good company.

 

[Nakosis]

The concept of the Trinity was extant before The church became imperialized.

Ok, doesn't alter anything I said.

 

[sojourner]

Ok, doesn't alter anything I said.

It kind of does, because, if I’m reading you right, you’re implying that this theological model was foisted upon Christianity, thereby lending credence to Jesus’ non- Divinity. It was not. And that is not the truth that Christianity teaches.

 

[Riders]

To me Buddha Hare Krishna Bahulla Mahummod and other religious prophets we're too much alike for there to be a coincidence.

It's all proof to me that Jesus is just another prophet that came in Gods name.

I know when I say stuff like this Christian's will step in and start pointing out the differences.B I don't care what you say Christianity is not different from other religions.