How Do Evolutionists Explain Mass Extinctions in their Theories?

[Sapiens]

Yes but evolutionary theories are not also laws so to compare the two is ridiculous in my opinion.

You need a rather complete retooling, add the difference between scientific theory and scientific law to your list:. (from wiki)

Theories and laws

See also: Scientific law

Both scientific laws and scientific theories are produced from the scientific method through the formation and testing of hypotheses, and can predict the behavior of the natural world. Both are typically well-supported by observations and/or experimental evidence.[25] However, scientific laws are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.[26] Scientific theories are broader in scope, and give overarching explanations of how nature works and why it exhibits certain characteristics. Theories are supported by evidence from many different sources, and may contain one or several laws.[27]

A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence have been accumulated. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory; a law will always remain a law.[25][28][29] Both theories and laws could potentially be falsified by countervailing evidence.[30]

Theories and laws are also distinct from hypotheses. Unlike hypotheses, theories and laws may be simply referred to as scientific fact.[31][32] However, in science, theories are different from facts even when they are well supported.[33] For example, evolution is both a theory and a fact.[6]

 

[Dante Writer]

No, I mean that you have demonstrated a significant lack of knowledge concerning Evolutionary Biology and should not betaken seriously on the subject,
Exhibit A, that is exactly why you do not try to measure microwaves with a sea surface recorder, the mismatch between actual wavelength and the detector's response curve makes it impossible. Same/same for climate change having an immediate effect on human evolution.

You need to look up Stochastic Process before you proceed any further.

"I mean that you have demonstrated a significant lack of knowledge concerning Evolutionary Biology"

Yet not only have I held my own against you I pinned you into admitting abiogenisis could still be occurring and that rapid evolution is not necessarily physical traits and Intelligent Design is a possibility that needs further exploration.

Not bad for someone with such little knowledge in evolution and biology lol!

Now think real hard is evolution only about changing physical traits?

Humans have reached the point where physical evolution would not be necessary for survival and intelligence to adapt, overcome and endure a massive extinction event is.

I will leave you to mull on that and we can take it up tomorrow!

 

[Dante Writer]

You need a rather complete retooling, add the difference between scientific theory and scientific law to your list:. (from wiki)

Theories and laws

See also: Scientific law

Both scientific laws and scientific theories are produced from the scientific method through the formation and testing of hypotheses, and can predict the behavior of the natural world. Both are typically well-supported by observations and/or experimental evidence.[25] However, scientific laws are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.[26] Scientific theories are broader in scope, and give overarching explanations of how nature works and why it exhibits certain characteristics. Theories are supported by evidence from many different sources, and may contain one or several laws.[27]

A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence have been accumulated. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory; a law will always remain a law.[25][28][29] Both theories and laws could potentially be falsified by countervailing evidence.[30]

Theories and laws are also distinct from hypotheses. Unlike hypotheses, theories and laws may be simply referred to as scientific fact.[31][32] However, in science, theories are different from facts even when they are well supported.[33] For example, evolution is both a theory and a fact.[6]

Irrelevant but if you want to think a theory is a law it makes no difference to me. However, I would suggest you never publish a research paper with that misconception.

 

[Sapiens]

" I believe that the ID concept being flogged here is that aliens"

That is one possibility and why would that be so far fetched since humans have only developed the technology to fly since 1903 and in just over a 100 years we can now travel to other planets.

We do not have that capability. Relativity, at least as we currently understand it, seems to have us trapped in our solar system for the foreseeable future.

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Why then would an advanced race on another planet that has existed possibly billions of years before humans not have technology to visit other planets?

Not to say they wouldn't, then again ... any evidence that they exist? No! I wish they were there, I wish they were here, it'd be great to be able to leapfrog on their technology ... but that remains the domain of E.E.Smith's Lensman Series, complete as it is with its Intelligent Designing Arisians.

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Now that is just one way it could happen. The seeds for life could have been sent out into space as a last ditch effort of a dying planet and humans right now are storing vast quantities of seeds and DNA samples in the event a massive extinction happens and we have to start over.

II think you are wasting you time posting on the internet, you should write Science Fiction ... you might be the next David Brin (if only you held a Ph.D. in science).

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Both are possible and logical based on humans intelligence which is really just in it's early infancy of evolution.

Infancy or final throes ... who knows? Sentience may not be a biologically successful path.

 

[Sapiens]

Irrelevant but if you want to think a theory is a law it makes no difference to me. However, I would suggest you never publish a research paper with that misconception.

If you wish to communicate you need to use commonly accepted language and not make it up as you go. You want publications, there are lots to be had;

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_19

http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html

http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific-experiments/10-scientific-laws-theories.htm

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=science theory and laws

 

[Dante Writer]

If you wish to communicate you need to use commonly accepted language and not make it up as you go. You want publications, there are lots to be had;

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_19

http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html

http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific-experiments/10-scientific-laws-theories.htm

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=science theory and laws

I believe this belongs to you:

" A theory will always remain a theory; a law will always remain a law."

 

[Dante Writer]

We do not have that capability. Relativity, at least as we currently understand it, seems to have us trapped in our solar system for the foreseeable future.
Not to say they wouldn't, then again ... any evidence that they exist? No! I wish they were there, I wish they were here, it'd be great to be able to leapfrog on their technology ... but that remains the domain of E.E.Smith's Lensman Series, complete as it is with its Intelligent Designing Arisians.
II think you are wasting you time posting on the internet, you should write Science Fiction ... you might be the next David Brin (if only you held a Ph.D. in science).

Infancy or final throes ... who knows? Sentience may not be a biologically successful path.

"We do not have that capability. Relativity, at least as we currently understand it, seems to have us trapped in our solar system for the foreseeable future."

Funny because I am pretty sure I said planets and there are planets in our solar system?

"II think you are wasting you time posting on the internet"

Oh but then who would you have to try and impress with your sarcastic if not very witty attacks and who would pull you out of that hard shell of evolution group think you are wallowing in?

Evolve damn you- EVOLVE!!!

 

[Sapiens]

"I mean that you have demonstrated a significant lack of knowledge concerning Evolutionary Biology"

In your dreams, is this the prelude to your move to Pigeon Chess?

Yet not only have I held my own against you I pinned you into admitting abiogenisis could still be occurring and that rapid evolution is not necessarily physical traits and Intelligent Design is a possibility that needs further exploration.

You pinned me into admitting something any reasonable 12 year old would see and that I never denied the very remote possibility of? Congratulations, you must be a genius!
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Not bad for someone with such little knowledge in evolution and biology lol!

You da man! You da man!

Now think real hard is evolution only about changing physical traits?

Ultimately all traits are physical, even those that do not seems so at first glance, behavior, reproductive strategy, etc. Evolution is nothing but descent with modification, so anything with a genetic component can evolve.

Humans have reached the point where physical evolution would not be necessary for survival and intelligence to adapt, overcome and endure a massive extinction event is.

As I observed ... you should take up writing scifi.

 

[Sapiens]

A theory will always remain a theory; a law will always remain a law

Climb out of your quote mine.

Here's it is in context:

"A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence has been accumulated. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory; a law will always remain a law.

Theories and laws are also distinct from hypotheses. Unlike hypotheses, theories and laws may be simply referred to as scientific fact."

 

[Desert Snake]

I'll entertain /almost/ any theory, for dialogue.

OP are you going to make a thread about the tweaking of human evolution (alien theory?) etc, in another thread?

 

[Sapiens]

"We do not have that capability. Relativity, at least as we currently understand it, seems to have us trapped in our solar system for the foreseeable future."

Funny because I am pretty sure I said planets and there are planets in our solar system?

"II think you are wasting you time posting on the internet"

Oh but then who would you have to try and impress with your sarcastic if not very witty attacks and who would pull you out of that hard shell of evolution group think you are wallowing in?

Evolve damn you- EVOLVE!!!

There are eight planets in our solar system, at least. One show signs that it might (a slim chance) have had life. The next best possibility is the moon Europa.

You have not succeeded in shaking anyone's confidence in the current thoughts concerning evolution.

Individuals do not evolve, they are born different than their progenitors and their offspring differ from them.

 

[Dante Writer]

In your dreams, is this the prelude to your move to Pigeon Chess?
You pinned me into admitting something any reasonable 12 year old would see and that I never denied the very remote possibility of? Congratulations, you must be a genius!
[You da man! You da man!
Ultimately all traits are physical, even those that do not seems so at first glance, behavior, reproductive strategy, etc. Evolution is nothing but descent with modification, so anything with a genetic component can evolve.

As I observed ... you should take up writing scifi.

"You pinned me into admitting something"

AND admitting you have a problem is half the battle as they say!

That's the way Sapiens- never go down without a fight lol!

 

[Dante Writer]

I'll entertain /almost/ any theory, for dialogue.

OP are you going to make a thread about the tweaking of human evolution (alien theory?) etc, in another thread?

Oh I will probably get to that. I have some pretty interesting research on cloning and genetic modification that works into that idea. Glad you like the discussions!

 

[Sapiens]

According to Smithsonian: "Children understand and use sarcasm by the time they get to kindergarten. An inability to understand sarcasm may be an early warning sign of brain disease."

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...sarcasm-yeah-right-25038/#gvKatrdYSCMVJv49.99

 

[Dante Writer]

There are eight planets in our solar system, at least. One show signs that it might (a slim chance) have had life. The next best possibility is the moon Europa.

You have not succeeded in shaking anyone's confidence in the current thoughts concerning evolution.

Individuals do not evolve, they are born different than their progenitors and their offspring differ from them.

" One show signs that it might (a slim chance) have had life."

You might want to go reread what I posted- I never said we had the ability yet to leave our solar system or that life would be found in our solar system. I was expressing how far we have come in a short time and what aliens may have accomplished in many more years of advancement.

My intent was never to shake your belief in evolution and on the contrary I have said many times I believe in some mechanism of evolution and ID does not replace evolution.

I will however work to expand your horizons unless you give up and leave first!

 

[Dante Writer]

According to Smithsonian: "Children understand and use sarcasm by the time they get to kindergarten. An inability to understand sarcasm may be an early warning sign of brain disease."

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...sarcasm-yeah-right-25038/#gvKatrdYSCMVJv49.99

What does it say about the inappropriate use of sarcasm in place of mature response by adults?

 

[Sapiens]

" One show signs that it might (a slim chance) have had life."

You might want to go reread what I posted- I never said we had the ability yet to leave our solar system or that life would be found in our solar system. I was expressing how far we have come in a short time and what aliens may have accomplished in many more years of advancement.

If that is the case, you need to be clearer in the way you express your thoughts.

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My intent was never to shake your belief in evolution and on the contrary I have said many times I believe in some mechanism of evolution and ID does not replace evolution.

You can no shake a belief I do not hold. It is the height of hubris for you to believe that if I held a belief you are equipped to shake it.

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I will however work to expand your horizons unless you give up and leave first!

Careful, attempting to pile Pelion on Ossa. combined with generalized hubris is highly combustible mix.

 

[Sapiens]

What does it say about the inappropriate use of sarcasm in place of mature response by adults?

That, as previously observed, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

As Dostoevsky wrote: Sarcasm is the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded.

 

[Dante Writer]

That, as previously observed, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

As Dostoevsky wrote: Sarcasm is the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded.

Last refuge- funny because it seemed to be the opening shot across the bow!

Good night!

 

[Dante Writer]

If that is the case, you need to be clearer in the way you express your thoughts.
You can no shake a belief I do not hold. It is the height of hubris for you to believe that if I held a belief you are equipped to shake it.

Careful, attempting to pile Pelion on Ossa. combined with generalized hubris is highly combustible mix.

Don't blame me for you lack of reading comprehension.

" It is the height of hubris for you to believe that if I held a belief you are equipped to shake it."

I know right- well except for today and we will call that a one-off lol!