How do Pagans feel about Christians and Why?

[Astravalon]

Doesn't Krishna mean 'the dark one' ?

According to the Monier Williams Sanskrit-English Dictionary (2008),
"Krishna" comes from the Sanskrit word Kṛṣṇa, meaning "black", "dark",
or "dark blue".

"Shyamasundara", however, does mean "the beautiful, dark one".


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[paarsurrey]

How come so many Pagans detest Christianity?

Who was the founder of pagans? Sorry, to be a way different from the topic, yet I think it is connected to understanding Christianity and Paganism in comparison and in relation to one another.
Regards

 

[EverChanging]

Who was the founder of pagans? Sorry, to be a way different from the topic, yet I think it is connected to understanding Christianity and Paganism in comparison and in relation to one another.
Regards

"Neo-pagan" would have been the more accurate term, though both terms, pagan or neo-pagan are ambiguous.

Gerald Gardner was the founder of Wicca. Other sects within neo-paganism have other founders, and some neo-pagan movement have no founders. Some individuals invent their own religious path or practice an eclectic blend and consider themselves neo-pagan.

 

[Quintessence]

Who was the founder of pagans? Sorry, to be a way different from the topic, yet I think it is connected to understanding Christianity and Paganism in comparison and in relation to one another.
Regards

Historical and indigenous Paganisms don't have founders; it's one of the things that distinguishes them from "revealed" religions like the monotheisms. Contemporary (neo) Paganisms occasionally have founders (yes, plural - it is usually plural where it happens), and don't really mean much of anything.

 

[paarsurrey]

"Neo-pagan" would have been the more accurate term, though both terms, pagan or neo-pagan are ambiguous.
Gerald Gardner was the founder of Wicca. Other sects within neo-paganism have other founders, and some neo-pagan movement have no founders. Some individuals invent their own religious path or practice an eclectic blend and consider themselves neo-pagan.

Paganism is neither from the source of Word Revealed of Religion nor from the Science; is it correct to state?
Regards

 

[EverChanging]

Paganism is neither from the source of Word Revealed of Religion nor from the Science; is it correct to state?
Regards

I think that's generally accurate but the movement is so diverse there may always be exceptions. I believe the founder of Kemeticism had a vision akin to a revelation that resulted in her becoming the spiritual leader of the sect like a restoration of the spiritual role of the Pharoah. I don't know that they have anything like infallible Scriptures though, certainly not.

Some individuals and groups in neo-paganism will be concerned that their path is compatible with scientific evidence (naturalistic neopaganism, pantheism). But religion is not synonymous with science of course.

 

[Sees]

Paganism is neither from the source of Word Revealed of Religion nor from the Science; is it correct to state?
Regards

Indigenous/ancestral/ethnic traditions have both, just not in writings/book form the vast majority of the time. Looking at the origins of pagan traditions is sort of like looking at the origins of human languages - you won't find much unless you are looking at relatively recent stuff and/or simply noting some changes.

They develop the same as culture as a whole does - hand in hand with all the aspects of life, over periods of time, passed down generations. There isn't a one prophet/scientist who gives the One True Way/One Truth, which is then locked-in.

 

[paarsurrey]

Indigenous/ancestral/ethnic traditions have both, just not in writings/book form the vast majority of the time. Looking at the origins of pagan traditions is sort of like looking at the origins of human languages - you won't find much unless you are looking at relatively recent stuff and/or simply noting some changes.
They develop the same as culture as a whole does - hand in hand with all the aspects of life, over periods of time, passed down generations. There isn't a one prophet/scientist who gives the One True Way/One Truth, which is then locked-in.

Please suggest a book from paganism, the oldest one, that is accepted by all denominations of paganism with consensus as a basic book of paganism.
Regards

 

[Sees]

Please suggest a book from paganism, the oldest one, that is accepted by all denominations of paganism with consensus as a basic book of paganism.
Regards

It doesn't work like that for paganism. Who could write an authoritative book for hundreds of traditions that all vary from one another and evolve over time?

Paganism: An Introduction to Earth-Centered Religions by J. and R. Higginbotham, is a good basic book about various traditions and some of the aspects and principles that most all share. Definitely not authoritative, of course...just friendly introduction to people unfamiliar.

 

[Quintessence]

Please suggest a book from paganism, the oldest one, that is accepted by all denominations of paganism with consensus as a basic book of paganism.
Regards

There is no such thing. Paganisms are not "religions of The Book™." If we're talking historical and indigenous Paganisms, these all arose in pre-literate cultures, and were predominantly oral traditions, so not only are there no books, the written accounts we do have are typically from outsiders who weren't exactly impartial and objective chroniclers. It is also very important to remember that the notion of a religion being laid out in some singular book in a dogmatic fashion is an idea that comes from Abrahamic religions and is totally foreign to if not directly opposed to the essence of Paganisms. Contemporary Pagans, who aim to revive and recreate historical Pagan traditions, aren't about to introduce something that is so counter to its essence. Contemporary Paganism is a disorganized jumble of many, many traditions and anybody who attempted to come up with some unified doctrine would not be taken seriously. It has been said, and rightly so, that contemporary Pagans are people of the books (as in plural). The movement arose in the information age, and most of us learned about it by doing research, and develop our traditions by doing research. The notion of limiting oneself to a single book is honestly quite horrifying to me!

 

[gnostic]

Paganism is neither from the source of Word Revealed of Religion nor from the Science; is it correct to state?

Please suggest a book from paganism, the oldest one, that is accepted by all denominations of paganism with consensus as a basic book of paganism.

You really are history-illiterate.

 

[codex]

You really are history-illiterate.

Really mate? You think your argument is fantastic?

 

[paarsurrey]

There is no such thing. Paganisms are not "religions of The Book™." If we're talking historical and indigenous Paganisms, these all arose in pre-literate cultures, and were predominantly oral traditions, so not only are there no books, the written accounts we do have are typically from outsiders who weren't exactly impartial and objective chroniclers. It is also very important to remember that the notion of a religion being laid out in some singular book in a dogmatic fashion is an idea that comes from Abrahamic religions and is totally foreign to if not directly opposed to the essence of Paganisms. Contemporary Pagans, who aim to revive and recreate historical Pagan traditions, aren't about to introduce something that is so counter to its essence. Contemporary Paganism is a disorganized jumble of many, many traditions and anybody who attempted to come up with some unified doctrine would not be taken seriously. It has been said, and rightly so, that contemporary Pagans are people of the books (as in plural). The movement arose in the information age, and most of us learned about it by doing research, and develop our traditions by doing research. The notion of limiting oneself to a single book is honestly quite horrifying to me!

What is the reason of this horror? Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

It doesn't work like that for paganism. Who could write an authoritative book for hundreds of traditions that all vary from one another and evolve over time?
Paganism: An Introduction to Earth-Centered Religions by J. and R. Higginbotham, is a good basic book about various traditions and some of the aspects and principles that most all share. Definitely not authoritative, of course...just friendly introduction to people unfamiliar.

Thanks and regards

 

[Quintessence]

What is the reason of this horror? Please
Regards

I'm a bibliophile with an insatiable curiosity and eternally inquisitive nature. In short, I'm a nerd. If you don't understand what that means, I'm not sure I can explain it to you. *laughs*

But to try, this would be like asking someone to pick one food they can eat for the rest of their lives, and they are allowed to eat nothing else. Or that there is only one website they can use for the rest of their lives. Or only one episode from one TV show they can ever watch. Utterly horrifying.

 

[jameshwelch]

Christians or Christianity? I feel bad for Christians but I don't dislike them, they likely never had a choice in what they became. Even when shown how bad and nonsensical the religion is they can't see it, but often this really isn't their fault. It's Christianity itself I detest. A religion based around self hatred, self victimization, fascist authority, and so on.

Please cut with the condescending bull****

 

[Cassandra]

Who was the founder of pagans? Sorry, to be a way different from the topic, yet I think it is connected to understanding Christianity and Paganism in comparison and in relation to one another.
Regards

The Ancestors often revered as ancestor Gods are the (part real, part mythical) founders of Pagan cultures. In traditional societies culture and religion can not be separated. It is not an add-on like Islam or Christianity that is brought by colonizers.

You can still see that in Judaism with Patriarchs like Abraham, Isaak, and Jacob. Judaism is in many respects a Pagan culture. It is a cultural tradition of a people. That is why individual Jews can be of any belief system but they remain Jews. Judaism is not a belief/ideology like Christianity and Islam. Of course if all Jews would become Muslim or Christian that would effectively destroy their own culture.

Ideologies like Christianity or Islam were developed by empires to destroy peoples own cultural traditions and identity to make them subservient. They boast a supreme God that every one has to bow for or perish. They replace traditional communities by ideological communities around a new authoritative figure, a pastor or imam. A new kind of patriarchal figure that people have to obey.

 

[Cassandra]

Please cut with the condescending bull****

This pretty well proves his words

 

[paarsurrey]

The Ancestors often revered as ancestor Gods are the (part real, part mythical) founders of Pagan cultures. In traditional societies culture and religion can not be separated. It is not an add-on like Islam or Christianity that is brought by colonizers.

You can still see that in Judaism with Patriarchs like Abraham, Isaak, and Jacob. Judaism is in many respects a Pagan culture. It is a cultural tradition of a people. That is why individual Jews can be of any belief system but they remain Jews. Judaism is not a belief/ideology like Christianity and Islam. Of course if all Jews would become Muslim or Christian that would effectively destroy their own culture.

Ideologies like Christianity or Islam were developed by empires to destroy peoples own cultural traditions and identity to make them subservient. They boast a supreme God that every one has to bow for or perish. They replace traditional communities by ideological communities around a new authoritative figure, a pastor or imam. A new kind of patriarchal figure that people have to obey.

Do the Judaism people accept it?
Any Jew please
Regards

 

[gnostic]

Really mate? You think your argument is fantastic?

My previous reply was deleted by one of moderators or staff.

I don't think it is fantastic, but an observation, especially from past encounters with paarsurrey.

He does have the tendencies to ignore certain events in history. He is very selective in what he'd accept or reject to be history, and will always reject them if they don't align with his belief.

Paarsurrey is an Ahmadi, and sometimes rejects (or ignores) history from Islamic or Muslim sources.