How Do We Know The Bible is True?

[Twilight Hue]

Ahh, you mean like the prophecy that Nebuchednezzar would destroy Tyre and that Tyre would never exist again, but Tyre still exists today? Or the prophecy that "some who were standing" there would still be alive at the time of Jesus' return?

Don't forget the Canaanites being destroyed. There's undeniable proof now that there are descendants of Canaanites living today that totally nullifies the "prophecy" and proves the Bible is just a man-made work that is certainly not true backed by cold hard fact.

Of course that won't stop the apologetics from making up things to explain it all.

Another fatal flaw of the Bible being true is the fact that camels were mentioned within its verses , when in reality they were actually not around in the region at the time. Again causing apologetics to go into full damage mode.

 

[Skwim]

(Is this why you haven't posted on the thread, Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood ? What should I attribute this to? Bias?)

How about this? It's one line of evidence after another:

http://www.2001translation.com/Authenticity.htm

I'm sorry, but sometimes if I miss an OP when it's first posted---often I get tied up in my own, or other, posts, or I'm not on line---and it receives a lot of activity (50-plus replies in the first day I see) rather than read all the posts so as not to repeat what others have said I'll simply skip it. However, seeing as you'd like my input I'll take a look at it and see if I can help you out.

Thanks for the invite.



UPDATE.

Just scanned some of the many posts tearing your OP apart. There's nothing they've said that I wouldn't have.

Sorry, but your Flood is as real as

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was.

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[Skwim]

Of course it is true! If someone believes God exists in their mind, is it not true God exists in their mind?

I gather then that your argument about the objective truth of the Bible rests on the fact that in someone's mind it's true. Kind of like how pink unicorns truly exist in the world because in someone's mind they do so.

Gotta tell you, you might want to reconsider your thinking here a bit.

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[Skwim]

It’s true to the extent that it becomes a reality in the live’s of its followers that they become better people and it brings lasting change to communities. It doesn’t need to be historically true in its entirety but it does need to be theologically true, at least in the hearts of those who believe in it.

Different issue.

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[Skwim]

As I read the article, I find that your statements prove that you want it to be unprovable..

I, personally, would add the prophetic accuracy too.

Okey dokey.

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[Skwim]

Did you ever notice how so many of the sub atomic particle scientists are God believers? And guys like Isaac Newton and Einstein?

Old sir Isaac knew about protons, neutrons, and electrons, and Einstein knew about gluons, top quarks, and tau neutrinos? The hell you say!


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[Skwim]

I disagree

Boy, that's putting him in his place.

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[Hockeycowboy]

I'm sorry, but sometimes if I miss an OP when it's first posted---often I get tied up in my own, or other, posts, or I'm not on line---and it receives a lot of activity (50-plus replies in the first day I see) rather than read all the posts so as not to repeat what others have said I'll simply skip it.

No problem, same thing happens to me. (But, then, I get accused on running away. Have you ever been accused of that, on here?)

However, seeing as you'd like my input I'll take a look at it and see if I can help you out.

Thanks for the invite.

Thank you! (You want to ‘help me out’? Really?)

You’re welcome.

UPDATE.

Just scanned some of the many posts tearing your OP apart. There's nothing they've said that I wouldn't have.

Sorry, but your Flood is as real as

was.

Posts that ‘tore my OP apart’, huh? I must’ve missed those! I read many that were riddled with strawman.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Of what?



Evidence is subjective. You aren't going to accept any evidence that doesn't support your supposition. If the Bible says that Pilate existed and critics of the Bible doubt it until 1961 when an archaeological expedition found a stone slab near Caesarea listing the Latin names of Pilate and Tiberius that's evidence of the Bible being true in the case of the existence of Pontius Pilate.

Is it possible that the slab is no more accurate than the Bible? There you go - the difficulty in demonstrating something is true. If I say I had cornflakes for breakfast it would be very difficult ot establish as true. What would be the evidence of it? A photograph? A half empty box of cornflakes? A newspaper article? Eyewitness testimony?

Lets be realistic.

It's not realistic playing a game of Schrodinger's cat. And evidence is not subjective considering the sheer weight of objective evidence.

Of course the Bible used real names and places. Fictional books do that too. But it doesn't make its outlandishness true .

There are reasons as to why people know something is fiction and when something is not.

 

[Earthling]

It's not realistic playing a game of Schrodinger's cat. And evidence is not subjective considering the sheer weight of objective evidence.

Of course the Bible used real names and places. Fictional books do that too. But it doesn't make its outlandishness true .

There are reasons as to why people know something is fiction and when something is not.

Okay. Let's discuss the evidence. Genesis 1:1 God created the heavens and earth. What evidence do I have to support it? The Bible says it.

What evidence do you have of the contrary? That God didn't create the heavens and Earth.

 

[Misunderstood]

I gather then that your argument about the objective truth of the Bible rests on the fact that in someone's mind it's true. Kind of like how pink unicorns truly exist in the world because in someone's mind they do so.

Gotta tell you, you might want to reconsider your thinking here a bit.

I was replying to the statement in your OP that said.

Nothing becomes true simply because we believe it is.

A thought is something, isn't it? Or is it nothing? I will accept whatever answer you give, as I am not really sure. However, if you say it is true, wouldn't that make your statement false? And if you say a thought is nothing would that mean that there is something out side of physical science, meaning it is possible God does exist as God is outside the physical world and science only looks for the tangible and observable?

 

[siti]

Okay. Let's discuss the evidence. Genesis 1:1 God created the heavens and earth. What evidence do I have to support it? The Bible says it.

What evidence do you have of the contrary? That God didn't create the heavens and Earth.

Well of course that's not true is it. The "heavens and the earth" were really created by race of super-intelligent beings who inhabited a previous universe that was in terminal thermodynamic decline when they decided to do a hard reboot that resulted in the event we call the "Big Bang". Their very "being" was encoded into the fabric of the universe itself and is sometimes interpreted as the "cosmic consciousness" and other such New Age woo and more traditionally as "God" or "gods". We are their avatars and they might very well use our progeny to recycle this middle-aged universe into a new one eventually. All this we know to be true because it is written - I just wrote it.

 

[David T]

Well. . . . . ?

The Focus on the Family web site has tried to answer this question but fails miserably. It asked "How Do We Know the Bible Is True?" and then went on to answer by essentially saying "because Christians believe it is." Nice, but hardly convincing. Nothing becomes true simply because we believe it is. Of course other characteristics were cited that supposedly confirm the Bible's truth: "it corresponds to reality," it's "internally consistent," and it's "coherent." But as we all know, this can be equally true of a whole lot of BS.

Then they presented a basket full of specious evidence such as, "copies show that the Bible has been transmitted accurately," "the Christian worldview is robust, reasonable and grounded in history," and "making a case for the truth of the resurrection also makes a case for the truth claims of Jesus and, in turn, the reliability and truth of the Bible." and what makes the case for the truth of the resurrection? They say it's Paul's admission that "if the resurrection did not happen, Christian faith "is futile; you are still in your sins."

Sound like rational arguments to you? They sure don't to me,

But perhaps Focus on the Family is simply inept at making a case for the truth of the Bible, and inadvertently botched the job. So I ask:,

What rational evidence do you have that the Bible is true?
(No need to bother yourself with things such as the Flood or Jonah in the "big fish." I'm dismissing them as tall tails)

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Proof?
Death... Or is that too complex for you. What is your fantasy in projection onto that blank sceen in your head. How do you know your projection is fact? Science? Logic? Reasoned thinking?

We are never alone in The darkness of who we are. The story is all about death. Death into life. Oh lookie in precise alignment to innanimate into animate. Am i a christian? Hahahahaha.

Dead water, dead sand, dead air and dead sun and dead clouds and dead space, dead cosmos and dead earth and reality is over run by the dead. A dead dead dead reality presented to you by science, and a knothead lost in outerspace religion. They deserve each other. What you dont seem To understand sqwim is death and neither do the folks you quote. Picture below? Dead? Please evolve science types and religious nutties. The planet is dying. And when it sleeps we become extinct. It of course will what? Rise once again on the third day.

 

[Earthling]

Well of course that's not true is it. The "heavens and the earth" were really created by race of super-intelligent beings who inhabited a previous universe that was in terminal thermodynamic decline when they decided to do a hard reboot that resulted in the event we call the "Big Bang". Their very "being" was encoded into the fabric of the universe itself and is sometimes interpreted as the "cosmic consciousness" and other such New Age woo and more traditionally as "God" or "gods". We are their avatars and they might very well use our progeny to recycle this middle-aged universe into a new one eventually. All this we know to be true because it is written - I just wrote it.

Okay. Any other evidence besides that you just wrote it?

 

[Skwim]

I was replying to the statement in your OP that said.
A thought is something, isn't it? Or is it nothing? I will accept whatever answer you give, as I am not really sure. However, if you say it is true, wouldn't that make your statement false? And if you say a thought is nothing would that mean that there is something out side of physical science, meaning it is possible God does exist as God is outside the physical world and science only looks for the tangible and observable?

Is that the truth you honestly felt I was talking about? Something so subjective that it only occurs in one's mind? REALLY? If so, please don't bother me with any further deliberate misinterpretations. Thank you.

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[siti]

Okay. Any other evidence besides that you just wrote it?

Do you have any evidence that God created the heavens and earth besides the fact that somebody a long time ago wrote it?

 

[Skwim]

Proof?

Nope. "Rational evidence."

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[onlytruth]

prophesy proves the god who speaks in the scripture is god. if john's account of the death on the stake is to be believed, he spoke the words my god my god why have you left me. the very same words used in the beginning of psalm 22, and the description on the crucifixion scene, they pierced my hands and my feet were recorded 1,000 or so years before the event.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Okay. Let's discuss the evidence. Genesis 1:1 God created the heavens and earth. What evidence do I have to support it? The Bible says it.

What evidence do you have of the contrary? That God didn't create the heavens and Earth.

Easy enough.

The idea of the God in the Bible has been credited with the creation of the stars and planets.

We already know for a fact that God is not involved in any of it because we know how these things come about by the simple fact that these processes are literally going on right in plain view. We can see it for ourselves.

The evidences speak for itself by real time observation. There is simply no God there making any stars or planets out there.

Saying it was made otherwise is just plain making things up. If it is not happening now right above our heads, it most certainly was not happening then. That much is crystal clear. It's clearly just made up stories.

Unless of course people have low standards for believability taken from reading ancient mythological book(s)/writings like the Bible, of which nobody even knows who wrote it in the first place , and additionally can't even prove further to this day by doing a simple task of pointing out any active God out there that is supposedly behind at all like we can with direct observation from the sciences that can be directly pointed out.

 

[Earthling]

Do you have any evidence that God created the heavens and earth besides the fact that somebody a long time ago wrote it?

I don't think so, but I don't need it actually.

My first question to you is that if your creation account is true why has it only been written just then by you?