How do you believe the world will end?

[MJFlores]

@Tony Bristow-Stagg

Couldn't find your post to reply
You have deleted it?
Anyway I have read it in my e-mail

It was funny.
But allow me to elucidate.

The bible mentions:

Isaiah 24:15 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore in the east give glory to the Lord;
exalt the name of the Lord, the God of Israel,
in the islands of the sea.

Apparently during Isaiah's time, 8th century BC no one in the east is giving glory to the Lord.
This is a prophecy in the book of Isaiah. And the people who will give glory to the Lord are in the islands of the sea. Where and when will this happen?

Isaiah 41:5 New International Version (NIV)
The islands have seen it and fear;
the ends of the earth tremble.
They approach and come forward;

Isaiah 42:10 New International Version (NIV)
Sing to the Lord a new song,
his praise from the ends of the earth,
you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
you islands, and all who live in them.

The time when these prophecies will come true is on the ends of the earth.
The location is in the islands of the sea in the east.

Is it in Japan? Taiwan? Indonesia? Malaysia?
Where did these prophecies came true?
In the east, in the islands during the ends of the earth.
1914 marked the beginning of the ends of the earth.

ISAIAH 43:5-7 James Moffat Bible

5 From the far east will I bring your offspring,
and from the far west I will gather you,

6 I will bid the north lands give them up,
and bid the south let go,
bringing my sons from afar,
and my daughters from the end of the earth,

7 all whom I claim as mine,
whom I have formed and fashioned for my glory.

Where was these prophecies came to fruition?

 

[MJFlores]

Further, Church (kuriakos) means building. Ecclesia means assembly/people/Body. We are the Body of Christ.

We are the Body of Christ?
Then why is he Buddhist?
The other one is Muslim?
The other one is Catholic
Another person is Hindu
Another is Protestant
You are Mune Shinri [need to know that]
One is pagan, animist, spiritualist, satanist
The others are irreligious and atheists?

Ephesians 4:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

The Bible says there is one body - meaning one church
One spirit in that body
One hope - which is eternal life
One faith - not many faiths, many system of faiths - just one faith.
One baptism - not different kinds of baptism
One God and Father - not many gods, or trinitarian gods or triune gods - just one God which is the Father
One Lord which is the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[blü 2]

“Earth,” in the Bible, doesn’t have to mean the planet. Please read Genesis 11:1.....does this verse mean the planet, or the world of people?

The word here is transliterated 'erets which basically means 'land', sometimes 'earth', less often 'country' rarely 'the world' or 'nations'.

Here it appears to mean that all the peoples on earth spoke the one basic language. It can't have been too basic if it was sufficient to enable a civilization to build a tower, a matter requiring an organized community and a set of relatively complex concepts.

The evidence from all over the world has long established that at no time in history when humans were capable of such endeavors did the earth's various peoples ever speak a common language, so the reference is folkloric or mythological.

The same as at 1 John 2:15-17.

There the word is κόσμον from κόσμος kosmos 'order' ─ two of the many meanings of which are 'world' and 'universe'. The RSV reads ─

15 Do not love the world or the things of the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
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ie do not favor the material over the spiritual'.

 

[cataway]

It would be the same as when Jesus woke up Lazarus.

John 11:1-15 New International Version (NIV)
Now a man named Lazarus was sick. He was from Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. (This Mary, whose brother Lazarus now lay sick, was the same one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.) So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, the one you love is sick.”

When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.” Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. So when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed where he was two more days, and then he said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.”

“But Rabbi,” they said, “a short while ago the Jews there tried to stone you, and yet you are going back?”

Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light. It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.”

After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.”

His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.

So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”

According to the Bible
...and the dead in Christ will rise first."

What does being IN CHRIST mean?

Romans 12:5 New International Version (NIV)
so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

According to Paul, those who are in Christ form one body. What is this body?

Colossians 1:18 New International Version (NIV)
And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Who is the head of the body? Who is this beginning and firstborn from among the dead?

Ephesians 5:23 New International Version (NIV)
For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

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Those who are dead in Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
So people who were baptized in this Church are the ones who will be raised first when Christ returns - dead or alive. They are not judged. They passed from death to life. Jesus Christ was the ransom for their sins.

Romans 8:1 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,


Revelation 20:6 New International Version (NIV)
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

People not belonging to his Church will also be raised but that would be on the second resurrection.
Who are these people?
They maybe Pagans, Catholics, Atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Irreligious, Protestants, Buddhists and so on and so forth.

That is when the books will be opened. The books of works and the books of life.
In order for an individual to be saved, his name must be written in the Book of Life.
It would be really really bad if not.

Revelation 20:12-15 New International Version (NIV)
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Daniel indeed saw it.
But Jesus said these in:

Matthew 28:18 New International Version (NIV)
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Luke 4:6 New International Version (NIV)
And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.

So the spectacular physical event or the sign is no longer needed - Jesus has it.




Yes, I agree with you that in 1914 marked the beginning of the last days - or the ends of the earth.

These were taken from jw.org website: https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/are-we-living-in-the-last-days/

MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS OF THE LAST DAYS
6, 7. How are Jesus’ words about wars and food shortages being fulfilled today?

6 “Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.” (Matthew 24:7) Millions of people have been killed in wars during the past century. One British historian wrote: “The 20th century was the most murderous in recorded history. . . . It was a century of almost unbroken war, with few and brief periods without organised armed conflict somewhere.” A report from the Worldwatch Institute states: “Three times as many people fell victim to war in [the 20th] century as in all the wars from the first century AD to 1899.” More than 100 million people have died as a result of wars since 1914. Even if we know the sorrow of losing one loved one in warfare, we can only imagine such misery and pain multiplied millions of times over.

7 “There will be food shortages.” (Matthew 24:7) Researchers say that food production has increased greatly during the past 30 years. Nevertheless, food shortages continue because many people do not have enough money to buy food or land on which to raise crops. In developing countries, well over a billion people have to live on an income of a dollar or less a day. The majority of these suffer from chronic hunger. The World Health Organization estimates that malnutrition plays a major role in the deaths of more than five million children each year.

8, 9. What shows that Jesus’ prophecies about earthquakes and pestilences have come true?

8 “There will be great earthquakes.” (Luke 21:11) According to the U.S. Geological Survey, an average of 19 major earthquakes are expected per year. These are powerful enough to damage buildings and crack the ground. And on an average, earthquakes strong enough to cause total destruction of buildings have occurred yearly. Available records show that earthquakes have claimed over two million lives since 1900. One source states: “Improvements in technology have only slightly reduced the death toll.”

9 “There will be . . . pestilences.” (Luke 21:11) Despite medical advances, old and new diseases plague mankind. One report says that 20 well-known diseases—including tuberculosis, malaria, and cholera—have become more common in recent decades, and some types of disease are increasingly difficult to cure by means of drugs. In fact, at least 30 new diseases have appeared. Some of them have no known cure and are fatal.

MEANWHILE IN THE EAST, ALSO IN 1914 JULY 27...

Isaiah 24:15 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore in the east give glory to the Lord;
exalt the name of the Lord, the God of Israel,
in the islands of the sea.

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Isaiah 42:10 New International Version (NIV)
Sing to the Lord a new song,
his praise from the ends of the earth,
you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
you islands, and all who live in them.

i see you have questions but not really giving many answers.
actually so few ,will at that time, be taken from the earth, so few you wont even notice it had happen .
the earth is mankind's home and always will be . the ones that do go to heaven don't go to lollygag around .they do in fact have responsibilities placed on them as they help the king in governing the peoples of the earth .

 

[soulsurvivor]

The world will not end until all human beings have been liberated from the cycle of birth and death and no longer need to reincarnate on Earth.

But the end of the world 'as we know it' will happen much sooner when the Christ Returns. Here is a description of the EndTimes according to various religions: Judgment Day - Apocalypse

 

[cataway]

The world will not end until all human beings have been liberated from the cycle of birth and death and no longer need to reincarnate on Earth.

But the end of the world 'as we know it' will happen much sooner when the Christ Returns. Here is a description of the EndTimes according to various religions: Judgment Day - Apocalypse

to to reincarnate is a pagan concept.

 

[soulsurvivor]

to to reincarnate is a pagan concept.

No to reincarnate is a Biblical concept

 

[MJFlores]

No to reincarnate is a Biblical concept

Reincarnation, also called transmigration or metempsychosis, in religion and philosophy, rebirth of the aspect of an individual that persists after bodily death—whether it be consciousness, mind, the soul, or some other entity—in one or more successive existences. Depending upon the tradition, these existences may be human, animal, spiritual, or, in some instances, vegetable. While belief in reincarnation is most characteristic of South Asian and East Asian traditions, it also appears in the religious and philosophical thought of local religions, in some ancient Middle Eastern religions (e.g., the Greek Orphic mystery, or salvation, religion), Manichaeism, and gnosticism, as well as in such modern religious movements as theosophy.

The major religions that hold a belief in reincarnation, however, are Asian religions, especially Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, all of which arose in India. They all hold in common a doctrine of karma (karman; “act”), the law of cause and effect, which states that what one does in this present life will have its effect in the next life. In Hinduism the process of birth and rebirth—i.e., transmigration of souls—is endless until one achieves moksha, or liberation (literally “release”) from that process. Moksha is achieved when one realizes that the eternal core of the individual (atman) and the Absolute reality (brahman) are one. Thus, one can escape from the process of death and rebirth (samsara).

reincarnation | Definition & Facts

 

[cataway]

No to reincarnate is a Biblical concept

you must be reading the Satan's bible

 

[halbhh]

It seems to me you were talking of a universal reality change other than mere physics. You opened the cookie jar, now show me the cookies.

Heh, I'm not the One Who has that jar or can show things in it. You can read more about Him though.

 

[soulsurvivor]

you must be reading the Satan's bible

I thought there was only one.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

We are the Body of Christ?
Then why is he Buddhist?
The other one is Muslim?
The other one is Catholic
Another person is Hindu
Another is Protestant
You are Mune Shinri [need to know that]
One is pagan, animist, spiritualist, satanist
The others are irreligious and atheists?

Ephesians 4:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

The Bible says there is one body - meaning one church
One spirit in that body
One hope - which is eternal life
One faith - not many faiths, many system of faiths - just one faith.
One baptism - not different kinds of baptism
One God and Father - not many gods, or trinitarian gods or triune gods - just one God which is the Father
One Lord which is the Lord Jesus Christ.

We are the Body of Christ. Because an eye can see, does this make it more important than an ear? And because a (censored) can (censored censored censored) that doesn't make it less or more important than the eye.

Read the passage I gave last time. Jesus tells us that he has flocks other than this on, yet he desires to make them one. This doesn't mean turning them into Bahai, or some unified religion and government. In fact, Christianity strongly objects to the idea of even merging the world into 10 kingdoms, much less one. All of this is saying that God does have a plan for these other religions rather than just, you know, wiping them off the face of the Earth. Some of them may need reform, like telling Muslims "Uhhhh tone down that jihad thing some of you guys are doing." But God wants other religions for the most part to exist. Christianity is not a religion, it's a faith in Jesus.

My book is called Mune Shinri, my religion is called Aiken. I should probably clarify that at some point, but anyway.

There is one faith (that is, faith in Jesus). Faith and religion are two completely different things. Faith is from fide, from which we get fidelity. Faithfulness. Will you stand by God and trust God regardless of what happens? Then you have faith in God. This is not to say all religions have equal merits, of that Allah, Buddha, and Brahmin are identical to God. But God plans to save as many humans as possible. Jack Chick and his mindset that if you chose wrong, you burn forever has a lot to answer for.

You also seem to be rejecting the Trinity. The Trinity is One God. I don't hold with Unitary theology. It rejects Christ, making Christianity meaningless.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

The world will not end until all human beings have been liberated from the cycle of birth and death and no longer need to reincarnate on Earth.

But the end of the world 'as we know it' will happen much sooner when the Christ Returns. Here is a description of the EndTimes according to various religions: Judgment Day - Apocalypse

This article is strongly pro-socialist. And it's wrong. The thing is, we're already ahead of this. The Jews accept Donald Trump (to some extent) because he believes in Israel. The Beast is actually the socialist globalist UN and other "non-profit" world organizations. The stated goals of the UN are things like ecological taxes to prevent "climate change", and to divide the world into ten regions. The Jews that do not accept Trump are universally aligned with this globalism paradigm, complete with the WHO and CDC telling us where we can go or what we can do, without getting arrested. Oh yeah, and the Mark of the Beast has already happened (wanna go to a shop? Be sure to bring your mask...). Trump opposed this climate change initiative, he opposed the unholy alliance between socialism and Islam that seems to pervade much of the EU, and opposed the wearing of masks. You know who else does this? Christian countries like Hungary and Poland.

Trump may not be the Christ, but he is certainly NOT an Antichrist. You notice I say an Antichrist? It's because a careful reading of the Bible, yield that there are MANY Antichrists, but only one Jesus Christ.

The Beast is from the sea, as this Beast represents the mashup between overly regulated health systems, big government, and corrupt religion. Look at how many bishops forced churches to close. This is the Chinese social credit system.

Goats have nothing to do with immigration. A thorough read of the Old Testament has Israel repeatedly falling because it welcomed followers of Baal or other gods into Israel. In fact, the current COVID-19 is a DIRECT RESULT of overly porous borders. But here's something interesting, as a result of such lax borders we now have a state where:
1. Those going to a clothing store without a mask cannot buy new clothes (the naked are not clothed), except from stores with a loophole like outside business (or those who defy the order).
2. Those going to some food stores that aren't immune to mask edicts are likewise prevented from buying food and drink (the hungry/thirsty are not nourished)
3. The average person, especially those from out of town, is treated like a pariah. "They might have COVID-19!!!" #OhNo
4. And people are imprisoned by this scare, unable to go out. Unless people are able to visit them, they have failed with this.

Universal healthcare is the problem. While people are hungry and thirsty, we have big state trying to get people vaccinated. We have an already bloated bureaucracy that would bankrupt stores in favor of foobanks (and bread lines). All of these things are the Beast. Any Christian person should oppose these along with opposing Black Lives Matter. Instead many churches have bought globalism hook, line, and sinker.

If you want proof that the leftist pro-immigration mindset is not from God, check statistics of rape in Sweden (where immigrants are welcomed with open arms at the expense of their own people). Check how many people died under the share and share alike Russian and Chinese communism/socialism. Watch the film Question 7 about how Christians to hold jobs in the largely atheist East Germany, were often subjected to interrogation to make sure they agreed with the party line. Or how many farmers had their land taken away, because they were perceived as rich (this caused famines). Or how many thugs from Antifa and BLM burned buildings down.

How to actually help achieve justice and follow Christ.
1. Open all shops.
2. Start employing blacks and whites to make up for those who lost work dutring COVID-19
3. The End

No need to overhaul society to do more foodstamps, just let stores welcome people again!

Why does it say TBD for Buddhism?

Buddhism has an apocalypse, plain as day. The teachings of the Buddha will become lost, then the Maitreya (called Miroku in Japan) or New Buddha will come. Not actually much different from Christianity.

Buddhist eschatology - Wikipedia

 

[soulsurvivor]

Universal healthcare is the problem.

That quote definitely sums it up! Good luck convincing the Christ when he does show up!

 

[TransmutingSoul]

@Tony Bristow-Stagg

Couldn't find your post to reply
You have deleted it?
Anyway I have read it in my e-mail

It was funny.
But allow me to elucidate.

The bible mentions:

Isaiah 24:15 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore in the east give glory to the Lord;
exalt the name of the Lord, the God of Israel,
in the islands of the sea.

Apparently during Isaiah's time, 8th century BC no one in the east is giving glory to the Lord.
This is a prophecy in the book of Isaiah. And the people who will give glory to the Lord are in the islands of the sea. Where and when will this happen?

Isaiah 41:5 New International Version (NIV)
The islands have seen it and fear;
the ends of the earth tremble.
They approach and come forward;

Isaiah 42:10 New International Version (NIV)
Sing to the Lord a new song,
his praise from the ends of the earth,
you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
you islands, and all who live in them.

The time when these prophecies will come true is on the ends of the earth.
The location is in the islands of the sea in the east.

Is it in Japan? Taiwan? Indonesia? Malaysia?
Where did these prophecies came true?
In the east, in the islands during the ends of the earth.
1914 marked the beginning of the ends of the earth.

ISAIAH 43:5-7 James Moffat Bible

5 From the far east will I bring your offspring,
and from the far west I will gather you,

6 I will bid the north lands give them up,
and bid the south let go,
bringing my sons from afar,
and my daughters from the end of the earth,

7 all whom I claim as mine,
whom I have formed and fashioned for my glory.

Where was these prophecies came to fruition?

Thank you, I deleted my posts as I see all this Prophecy Is Fulfilled by Baha'u'llah, this name when translated means 'The Glory of the Lord', or the 'Glory of God'. I see the 'Glory of God' came by the way of the Gate (Bab} facing East. Assyria or Persia which is now Iran.

Many prophecies about this.

As for the Islands Baha'u'llah has said;

“..... In the East the light of His Revelation hath broken; in the West have appeared the signs of His dominion. Ponder this in your hearts, O people, and be not of those who have turned a deaf ear to the admonitions of Him Who is the Almighty, the All-Praised… Should they attempt to conceal its light on the continent, it will assuredly rear its head in the midmost heart of the ocean, and, raising its voice, proclaim: ‘I am the life-giver of the world! ".

The Bahai Faith has indeed been raised in the Pacific, with new Temples now in progress.

As I see the event you await has happened, that will tell you why anything you post about it, to me, can't happen as you expect.

I see certain Biblical prophecies can still unfold, as this is the Great and Dreadful day of the Lord.

Regards Tony

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The word here is transliterated 'erets which basically means 'land', sometimes 'earth', less often 'country' rarely 'the world' or 'nations'.

Here it appears to mean that all the peoples on earth spoke the one basic language. It can't have been too basic if it was sufficient to enable a civilization to build a tower, a matter requiring an organized community and a set of relatively complex concepts.

The evidence from all over the world has long established that at no time in history when humans were capable of such endeavors did the earth's various peoples ever speak a common language, so the reference is folkloric or mythological.
There the word is κόσμον from κόσμος kosmos 'order' ─ two of the many meanings of which are 'world' and 'universe'. The RSV reads ─

15 Do not love the world or the things of the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
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ie do not favor the material over the spiritual'.

I agree with almost everything, except this...

The evidence from all over the world has long established that at no time in history when humans were capable of such endeavors did the earth's various peoples ever speak a common language, so the reference is folkloric or mythological.

Languages do seem to have a common origin, there hasn’t been enough evidence discovered to discredit that. Interpretation are always made in favor of naturalistic causes.
However, the account is not myth...how do you think such ziggurats / pyramid- type structures have been discovered in so many cultures worldwide? Because they have a common source.

 

[MJFlores]

We are the Body of Christ. But God wants other religions for the most part to exist. Christianity is not a religion, it's a faith in Jesus.

My book is called Mune Shinri, my religion is called Aiken. I should probably clarify that at some point, but anyway.

There is one faith (that is, faith in Jesus). Faith and religion are two completely different things. Faith is from fide, from which we get fidelity. Faithfulness. Will you stand by God and trust God regardless of what happens? Then you have faith in God. This is not to say all religions have equal merits, of that Allah, Buddha, and Brahmin are identical to God. But God plans to save as many humans as possible. Jack Chick and his mindset that if you chose wrong, you burn forever has a lot to answer for.

You also seem to be rejecting the Trinity. The Trinity is One God. I don't hold with Unitary theology. It rejects Christ, making Christianity meaningless.

I believe Samantha [formerly Thomas], that is your opinion.
Unfortunately that is not what the Bible says.

1 Corinthians 1:10 New International Version (NIV)
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

How can we agree with one another - when the other isn't doing the right thing?
One group wants to worship statues and the other wants to worship God in spirit.
One group wants to put Mary first and the other wants to put God first
One group believes in faith alone and the other believes in faith and works
One group believes immersion is right and the other believes sprinkling will do it.
One group observes the Sabbath and the other doesn't
Is that unity in mind and thought?
Apparently God doesn't want these sort of divisions but the reality is people are disobedient.

Catholicism – 1.329 billion
Independent Catholicism – 18 million
Protestantism – 900 million
Historical Protestantism – 300–400 million
Anglicanism – 110 million
Baptist churches – 75–105 million
Lutheranism – 70–90 million
Reformed churches (Calvinism) – 60–80 million
Methodism – 60–80 million
Seventh-day Adventist Church – 21.4 million
Restoration Movement – 7 million
Anabaptism – 4 million
Plymouth Brethren – 1 million
Hussites – 1 million
Quakers – 0.4 million
Modern Protestantism – 400–500 million
Pentecostalism – 280 million
Nondenominational Christianity – 80–100 million
African initiated churches – 60 million
New Apostolic Church – 10 million
Chinese-originated and Chinese Independent Churches – 10 million
Eastern Orthodoxy – 230 million
Oriental Orthodoxy – 62 million
Non-trinitarian Restorationism – 35 million
Miscellaneous branches – 2 million

List of Christian denominations by number of members - Wikipedia

Is that the Body of Christ?
The Hindus do not believe in Christ - the Buddhist, other religions
Non religious people reject Christ
Muslims recognize Christ but not the Bible
Christians, the majority have a different form of Christianity contrary to the Bible.
If that is the Body of Christ - it would be a farce and a big joke.

The people who is not part of the Body of Christ or his Church [the Church of Christ] is separate from Christ
And if the people are separate from Christ, this is what the Bible says:

Ephesians 2:12 New International Version (NIV)
remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

 

[Deeje]

@MJFlores, it appears as if we have much in common in our beliefs.....but the resurrection of the dead takes place in two phases, and we also believe that Chris’s return takes place in two phases in line with those resurrections.

The first resurrection begins to take place when Christ is installed as King. But his first act is to cleanse the heavens by evicting satan and his hordes from any further contact with the heavenly realm. They are confined to the earth from this point, and the devil is angry that his time is short. It is to be a time of woe for the earth, but joyful for those in heaven. This eviction is stated to occur when Christ is given his authority. (Revelation 12-7-12) Life on this earth has gradually worsened since 1914 and we have seen where the things Jesus foretold have, and are still, taking place.

So taking 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 into account, we see that those raised during these last days would be those who will reign with Christ in heaven. It says that he will bring these with him when he appears as judge at the end. Those who died in past centuries he said, would not be raised before the ones who died last. As a group with a specific role in heaven, they are all raised during this one period. Those still alive when the judgment begins will not need to "sleep" but will be transformed instantaneously. Since most of the heavenly rulers are already placed in their positions, these will be a very small number.

With the general resurrection of the dead, Jesus said that "all" in their tombs will hear his voice and come out. The "righteous" (pre-Christian men and women and those who are not anointed for life in heaven, but who died faithful) have nothing more to prove...but the "unrighteous" who may have lived at time or in places where the knowledge of God was unknown and true worship was not taught or practiced, these will be given opportunity under the Kingdom's rule to be taught, and make their decisions during the 1,000 years of the Kingdom's rule. There will be no satan and no demonic influence in the world, so nothing will hinder or detract from that education program. But free will is still in operation.....the point is that if free will is abused as it has been for the past millenniums, then no one will be permitted to stay and spoil our idyllic life again.

Also, the "graves" must be figurative, because the actual remains of many people are no longer in existence...taken by sharks or consumed by wild animals, cremated and ashes scattered, drowned and lost in the ocean, the dead will not literally rise from the dust, but new bodies will be recreated and instilled with all the memories of their former lives.....the soul (person) will be completely restored as Lazarus was.

What do you think?

 

[Samantha Rinne]

That quote definitely sums it up! Good luck convincing the Christ when he does show up!

Universal healthcare is the problem.

I'll say that to Jesus himself, and then show him these articles.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...rsal_health_care_no_one_wants_to_address.html

Introduction to Supply and Demand

Why health care is not a ‘right’

When I do not pay (and cannot pay) for myself to be treated at a hospital, to be forced to pay from medical insurance that I do not want is no good, and I definitely can't pay for others. Further, universal healthcare always results in a system that is bogged down by red tape. Great, everyone is insured! But when a product has 100% demand, price gets out of control, and the product either becomes scarce or slow. And universalizing healthcare doesn't suddenly make it affordable.

The fact of the matter was, medicine existed before insurance was a thing. Doctors were often paid in produce rather than money. If anything, medicine was more affordable then because payment was not a given. Insurance is NOT for the customer. It's to make sure the customer pays. Further, insurance means that people are able to pay indirectly for health costs they can't really afford. Its a gambling loan. The thing is supply and demand work that as use of goods (demand) goes up, price goes up. Normally, price would cap demand, and people would stop paying once they can't afford (taking better care of themselves, or just bartering chickens for medicine). People stop buying for awhile, price goes down, people can start buying again. Instead, when people rely using insurance, they never actually think about the price. That's for people without insurance. So prices rise. And rise. And rise!!!

Housing, medical, schooling, and cars have all surpassed inflation norms. What they all have in common is that they are not paid for directly (loans or insurance), making them increasingly unaffordable for those who can't pay indirectly. Insurance is evil! Universalizing it will simply make evil universal.

Jesus would not favor everyone paying insurance. Jesus would simply heal people.

 

[blü 2]

Languages do seem to have a common origin, there has been enough evidence discovered to discredit that. Interpretation are always made in favor of naturalistic causes.

H sap appears about 2 million years ago, H sap sap about 200,000 years ago and modern H sap sap, the one we know and love, us, about 60,000 years ago. Just where in that continuum complex language arises is unclear; but it seems clear that it existed in modern H sap sap. For example, humans entered Australia close to 50,000 years ago and present aboriginal tribes are their descendants.

As for stone technology, the human shift from hunting and gathering to settlements and farming is only some ten thousand years old, and the ability to build in stone, or to build high in wood, is not evidenced earlier.

In the Babel story, everyone is said to speak the one language AND possess the technology to build towers credibly threatening to reach to heaven. (The Greeks have a similar story, where the twins Otus and Ephialtes decide to capture Olympus, home of the gods, but they heap Mount Pelion on top of Mount Ossa in order to get up there.)

Human language had already been around for a minimum of 40,000 years; people had crossed to the Americas, Australia, and adjacent islands. It's simply not true that at the time there was only one language. Ten thousand years ago there already existed a spectrum of languages from the Cape of Good Hope to the Aleutian Islands to Tierra del Fuego.

However, the account is not myth...how do you think such ziggurats / pyramid- type structures have been discovered in so many cultures worldwide? Because they have a common source.

That was later, when even Semitic included a wide range of languages, from those of Mesopotamia to those of Canaan.

There was no Tower of Babel, no tower in Babylon, which was destroyed. There was no sudden division of people into language groups.

We may not be disagreeing all that much here.