How do you define evolution?

[Subduction Zone]

YoursTrue have mentioned in two posts, back in - #863 & #866 -attempting to reconcile for BSDH with Genesis Flood.

Now, YoursTrue tried to justify other parts of Ararat as being mountains, but there are only really two peaks.

There is also the fact that Pontic Alps situated between the Black Sea and Ararat, and couple hundred of kilometres between sea and Ararat, I don’t see how the flooding of the Black Sea could reach Ararat.

It couldn't. The source of water for the Black Sea flood was the Mediterranean. Once the levels of the two bodies were the same the flooding stopped.

 

[shunyadragon]

It doesn't matter what you think my "knowledge" is. Or what you say about me and my knowledge. Knowledge keeps changing anyway. Floods have occurred. Furthermore, one of the worst forms of argument is personal attacks, which you continually do. The theory of evolution no longer makes sense to me as if that's how human and geological matter came about. I do not claim I understand more about the mechanics of reality, I know it takes time for sediment layers to form and so forth, I know cells can be looked at through microscopes, I do not argue with that. So anyway -- have a nice night. Bye for now.

It does matter, because your rejecting scientific evidence based on an 'opinion' because of a religious agenda without a knowledge of science. Making false statement concerning science, including the history of the earth like the claims of a great flood, compounds the issues.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Denial about what?

About the amount of data, and thus evidence, that can be extracted from a single fossil.

That these organisms existed? No, I'm not in denial.

See? Exactly that. As if that is all that a fossil tells us: "this organism existed".
It's a gruesome misrepresentation.

Exactly how they came about is something no one has discovered yet.

A certain dude named Darwin is credited for the discovery of evolution by natural selection. This happened several centuries ago. You seem to have missed it.

In other news, time is relative, atoms are real and can be smashed and split to release enormous amount of energy and Pluto is no longer considered planet.

I figured you require a bit of catch-up since you seem to have missed the past 250 years.

Here is a very interesting article, also a very, very good explanation of what science is: Megafloods of the Ice Age | NOVA | PBS

What about it?

 

[gnostic]

Oh, my, so many interesting points in the following article:
Megafloods of the Ice Age | NOVA | PBS

That's great, YoursTrue.

First, you were claiming that the Black Sea Deluge Hypothesis (proposed date of 5700 BCE) was associated with the Genesis Flood (supposedly 2300 BCE).

Now, You have posted a link to flood that it is not only, not about 10,000 years before the BSDH and about 12,500 years before the Genesis Flood, BUT also the Glacial Lake Missoula is not in the same continent as the Noah's Flood.

And you are forgetting the story about Noah, is that rain for 40 days and 40 nights, but the Missoula Flood occurred due to ice collapsing that dammed the Lake, causing localised destruction in areas with no evidence of human death, because it pre-dated Clovis culture in North America, in which earlier Americans arrived in the continent.

You are comparing one example after another, which bear no relations to the Genesis Flood. This don't help your argument that support Genesis Flood, not only in timings, but also locations.

These are false equivalence fallacy.

If you were comparing a more recent flooding close to 2300 BCE, you might have a case, which you don't...not at Mesopotamia and certainly not near Ararat.

 

[gnostic]

I am connecting it with floods, the mega sort. Megafloods of the Ice Age | NOVA | PBS Do not take this to mean that I am saying this report and scientists claim the Noachian flood occurred. But it makes some interesting points, both about geology (flooding) and science...among other disclosures. Well, anyway, have a nice day.

Ok, I only just read this reply, but not before I replied to your earlier post.

Interesting as the article is, it still has no bearing to the mythological flood of Genesis and Noah, just as BSDH isn't relevant.

 

[shunyadragon]

I didn't say what happened was the worldwide flood. But apparently these scientists thought it was involving a pretty big flood.

Again no, the Black Sea flood was limited to the coastal region of the Black Sea much older than any possible relevance to the Biblical flood.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You may be talking about fossils ànd not genetics.

Yeah, the poster said that in the very post you're responding to:
"We are talking about fossils, not about genetics."

It's telling that you completely avoiding addressing the substance of that post. Again. For the fourth time.

 

[ecco]

Oh, my, so many interesting points in the following article:
Megafloods of the Ice Age | NOVA | PBS

What are the points you find interesting? You didn't say. All you did was link to an article.

 

[Astrophile]

Fossils are evidence that there were organisms that existed.

And these organisms must have had parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and more remote ancestors going back through geological time that belonged to different species, general, families, orders, classes, phyla, etc.

 

[Astrophile]

Oh, my, so many interesting points in the following article:
Megafloods of the Ice Age | NOVA | PBS

Your link does not say that these megafloods inundated the whole Earth, that they were responsible for depositing all the Earth's sedimentary rocks, or even that they deposited fossil fish on mountain tops. If it comes to it, the Bible never says that fossils or sedimentary rocks were deposited by Noah's flood.

 

[YoursTrue]

Where did the water come from? Where did it go to?

Right now we're talking about floods. Period. So it seems to me that (even) according to scientists, massive floods changing areas happened.

 

[YoursTrue]

And these organisms must have had parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and more remote ancestors going back through geological time that belonged to different species, general, families, orders, classes, phyla, etc.

Must have, you say. I'm saying it's speculation. We (you and I and lots of others) were not around to see it. The ones that lived a looonnngggg time ago did not write down what they observed. I mean like chimpanzees and the like (gorillas) didn't have capability or paper or parchment or cave walls to write down what they saw. If they saw any first parents of their own.

 

[YoursTrue]

Where did the water come from? Where did it go to?

Let's just say that it can rain a lot today. These days. And serious (killer) flooding can occur. Regardless of how and why, scientists themselves are saying entire coastal areas may soon enough be wiped out due to excess water spilling beyond the current land barriers. Can I explain everything about what the Bible says? You guessed it. No. So if you're going to ask me more about the Flood of Noah's time as reported in the Bible, similarly while I understand that each period of time said to be a 'day' in the creation account does not mean a 24 hour period but rather a period of time with a beginning and close, I will wait and see further elucidation about the Noachian flood details.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's just say that it can rain a lot today. These days. And serious (killer) flooding can occur. Regardless of how and why, scientists themselves are saying entire coastal areas may soon enough be wiped out due to excess water spilling beyond the current land barriers. Can I explain everything about what the Bible says? You guessed it. No. So if you're going to ask me more about the Flood of Noah's time as reported in the Bible, similarly while I understand that each period of time said to be a 'day' in the creation account does not mean a 24 hour period but rather a period of time with a beginning and close, I will wait and see further elucidation about the Noachian flood details.

It can only rain a relatively small amount. Hurricanes can dump a lot of water because they are often picking it up at the same time. This will not work on a global scale and even hurricanes are nowhere hear as strong as the mythical rain of Noah.

So where did it come from? Where did it go to? Why isn't there any evidence of it at all?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Must have, you say. I'm saying it's speculation. We (you and I and lots of others) were not around to see it. The ones that lived a looonnngggg time ago did not write down what they observed. I mean like chimpanzees and the like (gorillas) didn't have capability or paper or parchment or cave walls to write down what they saw. If they saw any first parents of their own.

You think it's speculation that the fossils we find had parents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, etc.??
You think we had to be around to see that, or it didn't happen?

Seriously?

 

[shunyadragon]

Let's just say that it can rain a lot today. These days. And serious (killer) flooding can occur. Regardless of how and why, scientists themselves are saying entire coastal areas may soon enough be wiped out due to excess water spilling beyond the current land barriers. Can I explain everything about what the Bible says? You guessed it. No. So if you're going to ask me more about the Flood of Noah's time as reported in the Bible, similarly while I understand that each period of time said to be a 'day' in the creation account does not mean a 24 hour period but rather a period of time with a beginning and close, I will wait and see further elucidation about the Noachian flood details.

What you call known 'killer flood' are documented local floods of known cause such as : hurricanes, Tsumamis, catastrophic river floods, and glacial melt flooding, and documented throughout recent history by the evidence. and human records.

Rge claim of any sort of Biblical size flood whether global or regional is physically impossible based on very basic Newtonian physics.

 

[ecco]

Right now we're talking about floods. Period. So it seems to me that (even) according to scientists, massive floods changing areas happened.

Which scientists are referring to floods that can cover the entire earth? None.

I will wait and see further elucidation about the Noachian flood details.

Wait for elucidation from the writers of Genesis? Please be mere specific in your assertions.

 

[YoursTrue]

YoursTrue have mentioned in two posts, back in - #863 & #866 -attempting to reconcile for BSDH with Genesis Flood.

Now, YoursTrue tried to justify other parts of Ararat as being mountains, but there are only really two peaks.

There is also the fact that Pontic Alps situated between the Black Sea and Ararat, and couple hundred of kilometres between sea and Ararat, I don’t see how the flooding of the Black Sea could reach Ararat.

The point is about the Genesis account, it says "mountains" of Ararat, not "Mount Ararat."

 

[shunyadragon]

The point is about the Genesis account, it says "mountains" of Ararat, not "Mount Ararat."

Well, ahh . . . floods covering any mountains is physically out of the realm of possibility.

 

[shunyadragon]

Must have, you say. I'm saying it's speculation. We (you and I and lots of others) were not around to see it. The ones that lived a looonnngggg time ago did not write down what they observed. I mean like chimpanzees and the like (gorillas) didn't have capability or paper or parchment or cave walls to write down what they saw. If they saw any first parents of their own.

On a time scale all the events in Genesis is not very long ago. Going as far back as you want in historical and geologic there is no evidence of a Biblical flood, nor is it possible for such a flood to take place.