Salam . Our discussion is getting very interesting gradually . Thanks for sharing your thoughts as it is helpful for me as well as for the readers to put forth side-to-side understanding of the issue .
Are ahadeeth only what Bukhari had narrated? there are more than 12000 hadith in Bukhari, Muslim, temdhi, ahmed, nissay, ibn maja, malek, ...
I address it as Bukhari
and Co. earlier to mean all hadeeths and as Bukhari is the most followed and authentic book according to Sunni and the second to the Quran , thats why its name came always in highlight . In other word , Bukhari is the headlight of the whole hadeeth literature body . I think you got it clear .
why you are considering bukhari is the only book of hadeeth? why All quranists think that? the caliph umar ibn abdelazeez after 90 years of the prophet's death, he ordered to collect all the prophet's sayings in a book and Imam Malek gathered them in his book Moutaa, Imam Malek was born 100 years before Bukhari, so why only concerning about Bukhari ?
As I clarify why Bukharis name always come in highlight , it ranks 01 in the list of Sihah Sittah while Muwatta of Malik ranked the last of the Sihah Sittah even most of the scholars removed it from from 6th position to 07th . Bukhari is regarded to be 100% Shahih while Muywatta of Malik is not.
Secondly , Maliks Muwatta is never been a pure Hadeeth Book rather a composite work of legal jurisprudence and hadeeth sometimes chain finished long before reaching to the Prophet . Whatsoever , my demand was more technical and specific . I asked to show me manuscript of Hadeeth written and preserved by the companions of Prophet as they did for the Quran . Are you still able to answer me this or will your silence in the next post expose your failure ?
not all hadeeth are from the prophet, by the way, do you want me to imagine that the prophet was silent for 23 years, just saying and reciting the quran, he was saying nothing else :sarcastic
He must have said a billions of sayings but none of them are the authority of Islam except what he said from the Quran .
well, i'll answer you from the quran itself, would you please explain for me the verse below
With clear proofs and writings; and We have revealed unto thee the Remembrance that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought. 16:44
Allah said that he sent the prophet with the Remembrance to clear to us what was sent to us, what was sent to us? the quran, what's the remembrance ?i said it's hadith you say it's quran too, so if it's the quran, so the verse meaning will be we sent you the quran to explain to the ppl the quran, is it sensible for you?
To me Dhikr is the message of the Quran and my proofs are from the noble verses , e.g., 21:50,39:69,41:41-42,3:58,12:104,15:6-9,43:43-44 etc . Now if you think that Dhikr is Hadeeth , please back it by verses of Quran
Secondly , your understanding also biased on the second word LituBayyina . Let me clarify this word from the Qur'an itself :
Ramadan is the Month in which was sent down the Quran, as a Guide <Huda> to humankind and as a Clarity <Bayyinatin> for The Guidance <al-Huda> and The Criterion <al-Furqaan>
. (2:185)
And We have sent down <anzalna> to you the Clarifying Verses <Ayaatim Bayyinatin>; and none rejects them but those who are perverse (2:99)
Or lest you should say: If the Book had only been sent down to us, we should have followed its Guidance better than they. Now has come to you Clarity <Bayyinatun> from your Lord - and a Guide and a mercy
. (6:157)
Above verses confirm the fact that Quran itself is Baynna/full of clarity/explanation , hence LituBayyina is nothing but to convey the massage of the Quran as it is . In addition , being an Arab you must be knowing that the root Ba Ya Nun also makes noun Bayan , means declaration (ref. Quran ,3:138,55:4,75:19 ) .
surly i disagree, you have missed two prayers, tell me "Perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) from mid-day till the darkness of the night (i.e. the Zuhr, 'Asr, Maghrib, and 'Isha' prayers), and recite the Quran in the early dawn (i.e. the morning prayer). Verily, the recitation of the Quran in the early dawn is ever witnessed (attended by the angels in charge of mankind of the day and the night)" 17:78
what's the prayer in the mid of the day, you don't talk about it.
Those salat I missed to mention are not in the Quran . Even you , yourself , while translating the verse 17.78 ,
put them within the bracket , which proves a manipulation against GODs command . Almighty GOD clearly names three Salawat in the Quran and detailed their time periods as discussed before. Moreover I can see a clear wrong translation of the verse 17.78 . You are an Arabic speaker, right, then please rectify me if I am wrong . The Original Arabic verse is :
[17:78]
اقم الصلوة لدلوك الشمس الى غسق اليل وقرءان الفجر ان قرءان الفجر كان مشهودا
There is nothing to mention about the mid-day in the verse. The time line is given in the following Arabic terms :
لدلوك الشمس الى غسق اليل
لدلوك means to rub...
Hence the time lines starts from the rubbing of the sun to the darkness of the night. The sun is found to be in rubbing state only when it is sinking behind the horizon at sunset , as if it is rubbing the earth . This understanding is perfectly matching with the other verse e.g. , 11:114 (two ends of the day and first parts of night) and with the three Salawat a day (01.At sunrise 02.At sunset & 03.At night fall) . Again , if you dispute , please show me the verse where Salat Al-Dhuhr and Salat Al-Asr mentioned by name .
