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How do you view: Islam

Jahangir

New Member
gnosis_777 said:
I'm no authority on Islam. But i've always viewed it as a beautiful, dedicated, and peaceful religion. Islamic people are very kind.
Islamic people are kind? My friend, I used to think just like you. I used to think that Islam was all about peace, humanity, etc. My faith in Islam was so strong that I was contemplating conversion. Apparently 1 thing held me back from converting, and that was reality. If Islamic people are "kind" then explain why is it that in Saudi Arabia (The BIRTHPLACE OF ISLAM) by law you can not practice any other religion but Islam? Why is it that the Taliban raped, beaten, harassed, and destroyed the lives of so many women in Afghanistan, living life STRICTLY BY THE QURAN? Is this what you call "peaceful" ? People say that Islam has "RESPECT" for women ... IF THIS IS SO, then why is it that Islam makes it permissible to have more then 1 wife??? Please tell me wheres the respect there??? Not in any way am I a hateful person, I just say what I know are facts, and thats what you guys are reading now. Thanks for reading my opinion on the matter.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Jahangir said:
Islamic people are kind? My friend, I used to think just like you. I used to think that Islam was all about peace, humanity, etc. My faith in Islam was so strong that I was contemplating conversion. Apparently 1 thing held me back from converting, and that was reality. If Islamic people are "kind" then explain why is it that in Saudi Arabia (The BIRTHPLACE OF ISLAM) by law you can not practice any other religion but Islam? Why is it that the Taliban raped, beaten, harassed, and destroyed the lives of so many women in Afghanistan, living life STRICTLY BY THE QURAN? Is this what you call "peaceful" ? People say that Islam has "RESPECT" for women ... IF THIS IS SO, then why is it that Islam makes it permissible to have more then 1 wife??? Please tell me wheres the respect there??? Not in any way am I a hateful person, I just say what I know are facts, and thats what you guys are reading now. Thanks for reading my opinion on the matter.
Islam rules that the people of the Book are not to be deterred from their religion.

regards,
Scott
 

almifkhar

Active Member
to my knowledge islam forbids female circumcision and is practiced in africa by various tribes, some islamic and most traditional. female circumcision is a cutural practice not an islamic practice.

as far as the 4 wife rule goes, did it ever occur to anyone that many muslim women incourage their husbands to take on other wives? most men only have one wife, and a wife can object her husband to marry other women so long as she makes this clear in the marrige contract, and he has to obey this rule. if a man can afford and equally treat all wives and all are fine with the situation what's the problem? just because you jah. see this as disrespectful does not mean that someone else sees it as a problem. different strokes for different folks is something you need to keep in mind my friend.

the taliban, well there are a few reasons for their actions that need to be undersood. first of all with the 30 years of war, far too many men and boys have lost their lives, and being men of course, they felt threatened by the majority of women. this is a man vs. woman issue not an islamic one. they did indeed use islam to justify their actions this cannot be argued. also they were our little puppets. their two jobs were to supress the people and keep the poppy fields going. what better way to supress the people than to abuse women?

saudi, well the purpose of what you addressed is i think to ensure that islam would not be merged with other religous ideas. i think that the intentions are good, and it sucks for those who live there who don't practice islam, but then again one can always move can they not? god knows that if the u.s. government decided tomorrow that islam cannot be practiced in the states i would indeed move asap with out any regret or anger.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Searcher of Light said:
How do you view Islam? What do you approve or disprove of their beliefs? why?
I don't really know a great deal about Islam, so I can't speak conclusively on what I think of its doctrines. But the Muslims I have known personally (fewer than a half dozen in my life) have always been fine people. My husband and I sponsored a Muslim refugee family from Bosnia when they resettled in Salt Lake City about ten years ago. They were always extremely gracious and kind.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
almifkhar said:
saudi, well the purpose of what you addressed is i think to ensure that islam would not be merged with other religous ideas. i think that the intentions are good, and it sucks for those who live there who don't practice islam, but then again one can always move can they not? god knows that if the u.s. government decided tomorrow that islam cannot be practiced in the states i would indeed move asap with out any regret or anger.
As Salaam Alaykum,

I find I must disagree about Saudi. Islam has nothing to fear from either Christianity nor Judaism, certainly not at the level of scripture and scholastic debate, and certainly not by allowing people of the book their practice, thus I believe the right to dhimmi should be extended, but should exclude preaching other than in their own places of worship, homes, and to their own people. The best way for people of the book to be brought to Islam is over time and due to their right to practice. Then presented with a clear example and by the will of The God, the dhimmi will revert. Just an opposing opinion.

Ma Salaam.
 

Isabella Lecour

amor aeternus est
I am opposed to any state endorsed Theocracy.
I am opposed to any militant oriented religion.
I am opposed to any religion that asks me to leave my head behind and swallow what they teach.
I am opposed to any religion that demands me to be less than equal in rights and law to my husband, father, male kin or males in general.
I am opposed to any state Therocracy enforcing a tax on members of a different religion.
I am opposed to censorship be it political or religious.
I am opposed to a religion telling me how to dress, how to think, how to act and how to be.
I am opposed to a religion that can demand the death of another on religious grounds.
I am opposed to a religion that inspires fear among believers and unbelievers alike.
I am opposed to a religion that can't poke fun at it's self.
I am opposed to a religion that makes my art, my drawings and my sulptures unlawful.
I am opposed to a religion that can not handel with good humor and faith the critiques within and without.
I am opposed to any religion or government that does not hold up the value of freedom as the highest ideal that humanity should strive for.
 

KirbyFan101

Resident Ball of Fluff
Isabella Lecour said:
I am opposed to any state endorsed Theocracy.
I am opposed to any militant oriented religion.
I am opposed to any religion that asks me to leave my head behind and swallow what they teach.
I am opposed to any religion that demands me to be less than equal in rights and law to my husband, father, male kin or males in general.
I am opposed to any state Therocracy enforcing a tax on members of a different religion.
I am opposed to censorship be it political or religious.
I am opposed to a religion telling me how to dress, how to think, how to act and how to be.
I am opposed to a religion that can demand the death of another on religious grounds.
I am opposed to a religion that inspires fear among believers and unbelievers alike.
I am opposed to a religion that can't poke fun at it's self.
I am opposed to a religion that makes my art, my drawings and my sulptures unlawful.
I am opposed to a religion that can not handel with good humor and faith the critiques within and without.
I am opposed to any religion or government that does not hold up the value of freedom as the highest ideal that humanity should strive for.
I don't entirely agree, but well said. :clap
 

Isabella Lecour

amor aeternus est
mr.guy said:
But what if your art is really, really bad?
If it makes me happy, then it's good. If you don't like it....don't buy it. Won't hurt my feelings just my pocket book and if your visiting, just don't look at it. :biglaugh: I'm not going to put a towel over it, that's for sure. But I'll keep it away from windows so children can't see it from the outside. :149: It's those obscenity laws again, ya know.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Hi dear Jahangir,


Jahangir said:
If Islamic people are "kind" then explain why is it that in Saudi Arabia (The BIRTHPLACE OF ISLAM) by law you can not practice any other religion but Islam?
We can't claim the Saudi Arbia is the birth place of Islam because Saudi Arabia doesn't exist at that time when Prophet Mohammed was there and it was just Arabia Land nothing else. It's like when you say why the Indians and the birth place of USA did that or that? "got my point"?

Moreover, This isn't the law of Islam but the law of a country called "Saudi Arabia" because it's not an authorised country from God as many may think so but it's just a country where it happened to be within it's land, the holy places for Muslims.. that's all.

By the way, nowdays Saudi Arabia realized it's mistake with it's dealing with people even from the other sect in Islam and they are giving them more rights. Also, Don't forget that all the other Muslims country have chrsitains and jewish citizens except Saudi Arabia and it's not fair to look at only one single country ignoring the rest of the world.

Jahangir said:
Why is it that the Taliban raped, beaten, harassed, and destroyed the lives of so many women in Afghanistan, living life STRICTLY BY THE QURAN? Is this what you call "peaceful" ?
Are you telling me that you are blaming Christianity for a single country like German because of Hitler when he burned people alive?

Jahangir said:
People say that Islam has "RESPECT" for women ... IF THIS IS SO, then why is it that Islam makes it permissible to have more then 1 wife??? Please tell me wheres the respect there???
Don't you know that many prophets had more than one wife?

for example Abraham !!! Go and tell him that it's not fair.

by the way, where does it say in the bible for example to marry only one wife?


Jahangir said:
Not in any way am I a hateful person, I just say what I know are facts, and thats what you guys are reading now. Thanks for reading my opinion on the matter.
you are most welcome. :)
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Isabella Lecour said:
I am opposed to any state endorsed Theocracy.
I am opposed to any militant oriented religion.
I am opposed to any religion that asks me to leave my head behind and swallow what they teach.
I am opposed to any religion that demands me to be less than equal in rights and law to my husband, father, male kin or males in general.
I am opposed to any state Therocracy enforcing a tax on members of a different religion.
I am opposed to censorship be it political or religious.
I am opposed to a religion telling me how to dress, how to think, how to act and how to be.
I am opposed to a religion that can demand the death of another on religious grounds.
I am opposed to a religion that inspires fear among believers and unbelievers alike.
I am opposed to a religion that can't poke fun at it's self.
I am opposed to a religion that makes my art, my drawings and my sulptures unlawful.
I am opposed to a religion that can not handel with good humor and faith the critiques within and without.
I am opposed to any religion or government that does not hold up the value of freedom as the highest ideal that humanity should strive for.
And I was going to propose and ask you to move to the Levant with me :banghead3 You've broken my heart....
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
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RAZBERRY

Member
almifkhar said:
as far as the 4 wife rule goes, did it ever occur to anyone that many muslim women incourage their husbands to take on other wives? most men only have one wife, and a wife can object her husband to marry other women so long as she makes this clear in the marrige contract, and he has to obey this rule. if a man can afford and equally treat all wives and all are fine with the situation what's the problem? just because you jah. see this as disrespectful does not mean that someone else sees it as a problem. different strokes for different folks is something you need to keep in mind my friend.
I know little to nothing about the muslim religion, but I have one question here. If a woman wants 4 husbands, could this also be put in the marriage contract? If not, why? (okay, that's two ?'s, I know.)
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
There are reasons put forward concerning the 4 wives and not 4 husbands principle. One I have heard concerns paternity/maternity. A woman will always know that a child is hers, irrelevant how many 'co-wives' she has, and each of them will know their children, and the father will know his children (apart from the case of adultery). This would not be the same for a woman with four husbands. Geneology is of high importance in the Abrahamic faiths, with prophets often claiming a part of their prophethood through their lineage. Thus patrilneage (and of course matrilneage) is important for a multitude of reasons.
 

Ori

Angel slayer
I view it as both beautiful and a bit harsh, though interpretations can be twisted from the koran.

Muslims themselves are among the most polite and intelligent people I have ever met.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
RAZBERRY said:
This seems very convenient and one-sided--for men. A man must have written that rule. ;)
Actually the 'rule' concerning paternal input in raising offspring relating to certainty of genetic paternity has been observed in other species on the planet, whether that be monogamous or polygynous, with the rare instance in nature of polyandrous groupings. Thus whereas the rule as you call it may have been written (after all the quranic revelation was initially a verbal tradition recited, thus scribed by the followers of Muhammad) by men, the reality is plain to see in nature.

(as a post script, men are able to reproduce everyday, women every lunar month, men produce many sperm, women few eggs. It has been argued that this in itself may explain the gender inequality with the quality/quantity dialectic coming into play)
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Jahangir said:
Islamic people are kind? My friend, I used to think just like you. I used to think that Islam was all about peace, humanity, etc. My faith in Islam was so strong that I was contemplating conversion. Apparently 1 thing held me back from converting, and that was reality. If Islamic people are "kind" then explain why is it that in Saudi Arabia (The BIRTHPLACE OF ISLAM) by law you can not practice any other religion but Islam? Why is it that the Taliban raped, beaten, harassed, and destroyed the lives of so many women in Afghanistan, living life STRICTLY BY THE QURAN? Is this what you call "peaceful" ? People say that Islam has "RESPECT" for women ... IF THIS IS SO, then why is it that Islam makes it permissible to have more then 1 wife??? Please tell me wheres the respect there??? Not in any way am I a hateful person, I just say what I know are facts, and thats what you guys are reading now. Thanks for reading my opinion on the matter.
It sounds, from your comments, that there are two aspects of Islam that you cannot abide 1) The attitude towards women, and 2) intollerance towards other religions.........

Is that not something you think you could have approached, to try to understand the underlying reasons better? - From what I understand, the Christian Fundementalists would like much the same approach to intollerance towards othe religions in the States.......(forgive me if I am wrong, that is the 'picture' that filters through).;)
 

Isabella Lecour

amor aeternus est
Nehustan said:
And I was going to propose and ask you to move to the Levant with me :banghead3 You've broken my heart....

I'm already married but thanks for the thought and besides at this point in my life I couldn't deal with having two husbands. I wouldn't mind see the Levant, perhaps touring all the historical sites. But just what did I do to break your heart....?:(
 
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