how does a YEC explain trees that are 50,000 years old.

[Buttercup]

And why would God want to do that? I'm just askin'

I don't know....I was too stupid at the time to ask. Took it hook, line and sinker.

 

[VEW]

There are prehistoric Kauri trees that are from 36,000 to 50,000 years [C-14 dating] old that are buried in a peat swamp in the North Island in New Zeland. These trees have survived the centuries in an underground resting place, sealed in a chemically balanced environment that has preserved the timber in a perfect wood condition. These trees grew for nearly 1500 years before they were buried and covered in a peat swamp, some have a girth of 40 ft. and as long as 200 ft. For the last 20 years they have been making beautiful furniture from these recovered trees.

I would like to know how a YEC explains how these prehistoric tree have been on earth for up to 50,000 years when the earth is no older than 6,000 to 10,000 years old?

I'm assuming that the YEC stands for Young Earth....those who claim that the Bible says that the earth is only about 600 years old...........

But does the Bible say that all physical creation was accomplished in just six days sometime within the past 6,000 to 10,000 years?

Consider closely what Genesis 1:3-31 says. It is not discussing the original creation of matter or of the heavenly bodies. It describes the preparation of the already existing earth for human habitation. This included creation of the basic kinds of vegetation, marine life, flying creatures, land animals, and the first human pair. All of this is said to have been done within a period of six "days."

However, the Hebrew word translated "day" has a variety of meanings, including ‘a long time; the time covering an extraordinary event.’ (Old Testament Word Studies, Grand Rapids, Mich.; 1978, W. Wilson, p. 109) The term used allows for the thought that each "day" could have been thousands of years in length.

Plus, the facts disagree with such a conclusion: (1) Light from the Andromeda nebula can be seen on a clear night in the northern hemisphere. It takes about 2,000,000 years for that light to reach the earth, indicating that the universe must be at least millions of years old. (2) End products of radioactive decay in rocks in the earth testify that some rock formations have been undisturbed for billions of years.

Like the trinity, hellfire, and immortal soul doctrines, this is just another instance where the Bible is misquoted....,.......VEW

 

[Draka]

YECs deny the validity of all radiometric dating methods--they have to.

Unless you are FFH, who believes in radiometric dating as long as it doesn't go past 13,000 years. He relies on it to make his "point" about Niagra Falls having eroded for 12,000 years, but denies it when you talk about the Grand Canyon. Why? Because he (as all YECers) are so convinced that their false ideas are right that they will simply proclaim anything that proves them wrong as faulty. It's ironic that the same method of dating is fine when it supports them...but wrong when it doesn't.

eta: I just googled this and found an older tree, about 9000 years old, in Sweden, but it was dated with radiocarbon dating, so YECs reject it.

And FFH accepts it as it falls within his 13,000 year timeline.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

There are prehistoric Kauri trees that are from 36,000 to 50,000 years [C-14 dating] old that are buried in a peat swamp in the North Island in New Zeland. These trees have survived the centuries in an underground resting place, sealed in a chemically balanced environment that has preserved the timber in a perfect wood condition. These trees grew for nearly 1500 years before they were buried and covered in a peat swamp, some have a girth of 40 ft. and as long as 200 ft. For the last 20 years they have been making beautiful furniture from these recovered trees.

I would like to know how a YEC explains how these prehistoric tree have been on earth for up to 50,000 years when the earth is no older than 6,000 to 10,000 years old?

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[Yerda]

I would like to know how a YEC explains how these prehistoric tree have been on earth for up to 50,000 years when the earth is no older than 6,000 to 10,000 years old?

As other posters have demonstrated there are means of maintaining belief in a young Earth in the face of conflicting evidence. The point is that any hypothesis can be preserved by resorting to ad hoc assumptions. Since vocal YECs do persevere in defending their beliefs I think we should accept that no observation is likely to alter this, and therefore arguing is futile. Leave them to it.

 

[Ghostkill221]

Here's the thing: C-14 dating relies on the amount of a certain atmosphere particles being absorbed by living and dead life forms for x amount of years. the problem is that this relies on the atmosphere needing to remain the same amount of C-14 for the entire time. and i know your first logical argument is going to be well it's not going to change THAT much, because it was mine too. but according to the bible when the flood came water came from above and below. scientists speculate that this means there was kind of a shield of thin ice surrounding the earth. this would actually explain a lot of thing (in fact it's the only explanation for how dinosours ever existed in the first place, think of how much oxygne their muscles would need for their size and now remember that their noses were the same size as ours) but this would also give us a increased lifespan, growth rate, and would give the world an severely increased amount of c-14. now while this seems far fetched, if a small meteorite was to hit that shield it would collapse and cause an almost constant rain for almost 50 days (40days +40 nights). This is reinforced by the remains of a wooly mammoth they found frozen with aphids also frozen alive in its stomach on the leaves of a plant. even at -100 degrees it would take over 3 days to freeze a creature of that size solid and that would've given time for the stomach acids to kill the aphids. in order to to this it would need an excess of -700 degrees a temperature only achieved in meteors from space.
Hope that helped

 

[Ghostkill221]

to VEW the word is IUM meaning 24 day period, besides the sun was made a "day" after plants so how long you think those can stay apart

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Here's the thing: C-14 dating relies on the amount of a certain atmosphere particles being absorbed by living and dead life forms for x amount of years. the problem is that this relies on the atmosphere needing to remain the same amount of C-14 for the entire time.

No, it doesn't. Not the total amount, anyhow. It relies on the ratio of C-14 to C-12 in the atmosphere being the same.

and i know your first logical argument is going to be well it's not going to change THAT much, because it was mine too. but according to the bible when the flood came water came from above and below. scientists speculate that this means there was kind of a shield of thin ice surrounding the earth.

No scientist I've ever heard of has ever publicly speculated anything of the sort. How would this affect the ratio of atmospheric C-14 to C-12 anyhow?

this would actually explain a lot of thing (in fact it's the only explanation for how dinosours ever existed in the first place, think of how much oxygne their muscles would need for their size and now remember that their noses were the same size as ours)

Actually, I think this explains nothing and creates many questions. And the atmospheric oxygen level was higher in the dinosaur era... though nose size doesn't have anything to do with this.

but this would also give us a increased lifespan, growth rate, and would give the world an severely increased amount of c-14.

Ah... so there would be a physical barrier keeping out the C-14 somehow. The only problem with this is that it would keep out the C-12 as well.

And I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that increased oxygen concentration or a global sheet of ice would increase our lifespan or growth rate.

now while this seems far fetched,

This is officially the understatement of the day.

if a small meteorite was to hit that shield it would collapse and cause an almost constant rain for almost 50 days (40days +40 nights). This is reinforced by the remains of a wooly mammoth they found frozen with aphids also frozen alive in its stomach on the leaves of a plant. even at -100 degrees it would take over 3 days to freeze a creature of that size solid and that would've given time for the stomach acids to kill the aphids. in order to to this it would need an excess of -700 degrees a temperature only achieved in meteors from space.

I see some problems with your chain of logic there, but rather than address the factual problems (because then we'd be here all day), maybe you could just explain why you apparently have no problem with drawing sketchy inferences from one mammoth and a few aphids, but reject radio-carbon dating plus all the other evidence of an old Earth, all of which is in agreement?

For example (and using a favourite example of mine), in your version of Earth's history, how many times would every compass on Earth have spontaneously flipped direction in the last century? If your answer is "zero", then you have some explaining to do.

 

[Jose Fly]

Here's the thing: C-14 dating relies on the amount of a certain atmosphere particles being absorbed by living and dead life forms for x amount of years. the problem is that this relies on the atmosphere needing to remain the same amount of C-14 for the entire time.

Nope. C-14 curves are calibrated by independent means, such as stalagmites, lake varves, and tree rings.

scientists speculate that this means there was kind of a shield of thin ice surrounding the earth

Scientists say this? Who? Young-earth "scientists" at AIG or ICR?

this would actually explain a lot of thing (in fact it's the only explanation for how dinosours ever existed in the first place, think of how much oxygne their muscles would need for their size and now remember that their noses were the same size as ours) but this would also give us a increased lifespan, growth rate, and would give the world an severely increased amount of c-14.

?????? None of that makes any sense.

now while this seems far fetched

"Far fetched" doesn't even begin to describe it. You may as well argue that the earth is flat because Australians aren't upside down.

If you do nothing else, think about atmospheric pressure, especially in terms of what that much water being suspended in the atmosphere would mean to it. IOW, do the math.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If you do nothing else, think about atmospheric pressure, especially in terms of what that much water being suspended in the atmosphere would mean to it. IOW, do the math.

But the flood rains weren't suspended in the atmosphere as clouds, they were poured out of the windows of Heaven.

 

[Alceste]

And why would God want to do that? I'm just askin'

"To test our faith" is the answer I got when I asked. I didn't think to ask why, if he wanted to test our faith, God also gave us (some of us, anyway) critical thinking skills and a talent for empirical observation, but I assume the answer would have been the same.

 

[Jose Fly]

But the flood rains weren't suspended in the atmosphere as clouds, they were poured out of the windows of Heaven

Angels with buckets? Heavenly hosts with firehoses?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

There are no trees.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Angels with buckets? Heavenly hosts with firehoses?

Don't ask me, ask whoever wrote Genesis 7:11-12:

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

See? You don't need to worry about how much moisture the atmosphere can hold. Never mind that this implies that there are "windows" in heaven and "fountains" in the "great deep" that we could look for and measure... the problem's been answered! At least for the time being.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I would like to know how a YEC explains how these prehistoric tree have been on earth for up to 50,000 years when the earth is no older than 6,000 to 10,000 years old?

I suppose one could use the argument that there is a perfectly good explaination for it but it has yet to be found.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

There are no trees.

Nor were there ever trees.:beach:

 

[CaptainBritain]

Im not a young earth Christian and my Creationist theories that I hold to and trust differ to theirs, however I do not think the Earth and the universe is as old as science believes, we are still talking millions rather than thousands though.
What needs to be taken into account is that the YEC brigade have an instant explanation to all dating mistakes, God created a fully mature fit for life earth in six days, with ready and getting ready resources to support mankind.
They could be right and I may be wrong, but then someone will be.

 

[painted wolf]

So then God is a liar...
I've often wondered why YEC's have such a disdainful view of their God.

Both as a liar and a shoddy craftsman.

wa:do

 

[Draka]

They could be right and I may be wrong, but then someone will be.

You could both be horribly wrong. Well, it's a lot more firm than "could". You ARE both horribly wrong.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Im not a young earth Christian and my Creationist theories that I hold to and trust differ to theirs, however I do not think the Earth and the universe is as old as science believes, we are still talking millions rather than thousands though.

A similar question for you that I asked before: since the invention of the compass, how many times in human history have all the compasses suddenly and spontaneously all switched directions?

What needs to be taken into account is that the YEC brigade have an instant explanation to all dating mistakes, God created a fully mature fit for life earth in six days, with ready and getting ready resources to support mankind.

Ah... so we live in a new Earth that only has the appearance of age (similar to what's suggested in Last Thursdayism). Personally, I think that invoking a deceitful liar-God creates more questions than it answers.