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How does God know the future?

Scott C.

Just one guy
As one who believes in an all knowing God, who knows the future of all things, I ask how does God know the future? We all have agency (free will) and can act as we please. So, God knows today exactly what I will be doing ten years from now. God's foreknowledge of the future cannot negate my agency, as scripture is clear that we have free will (I don't believe in predestination). One explanation is that God knows us well enough to predict how we will act in all things under given circumstances. He uses this knowledge to acurately predict what we will do. This prediction does not negate free will. I may know my kids dispositions well enough to predict how they will react in a stiuation. My predictions may be close, but not perfect, as God's will always be. I'm not comfortable with this explanation, however. If we are completely predictable, based on past behavior and current disposition, it seems to leave out the possibility for complete transformation of character. Free will seems to imply inpredictability. So, I prefer another view. God lives outside the bounds of time, or at least outside the bounds of time, as we know time to be. All things past, present and future and before Him at all times. He sees the future as He sees the hear and now. God knows what will happen because he observes it now. There is no need to predict, simply observe. Comments?
 
God doesent control us, we have free will. But he still knows. He knows what kind of people we are so, he knows what will happen to us in life, he sends us messages to change, but normally, we ignore them.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
As one who believes in an all knowing God, who knows the future of all things, I ask how does God know the future? We all have agency (free will) and can act as we please. So, God knows today exactly what I will be doing ten years from now. God's foreknowledge of the future cannot negate my agency, as scripture is clear that we have free will (I don't believe in predestination). One explanation is that God knows us well enough to predict how we will act in all things under given circumstances. He uses this knowledge to acurately predict what we will do. This prediction does not negate free will. I may know my kids dispositions well enough to predict how they will react in a stiuation. My predictions may be close, but not perfect, as God's will always be. I'm not comfortable with this explanation, however. If we are completely predictable, based on past behavior and current disposition, it seems to leave out the possibility for complete transformation of character. Free will seems to imply inpredictability. So, I prefer another view. God lives outside the bounds of time, or at least outside the bounds of time, as we know time to be. All things past, present and future and before Him at all times. He sees the future as He sees the hear and now. God knows what will happen because he observes it now. There is no need to predict, simply observe. Comments?

Allah knows it all because it has infinite velocity therefor makes time exact zero. in other words it sees the beginning of the time right now and judgement day is over for it.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It's easy to know the "future" if there exists only a timeless Present.

Time is a three dimensional artifact of human, 3rd-state consciousness. It contravenes the known laws of Physics, specifically, Relativity Theory.

The whole concept of past or future is illusory.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Heaven is non-space/time. Time is an effect caused by the change (reduction) of energy frequency as it leaves heaven.

God has access to the prime timeline, this is why it is said that He is the beginning and the end. He knows everything that will happen because to Him it's already happened.

Think of a movie that you have already seen. You know how it ends, then invite a friend over who has never seen it and watch your friend experience the movie anew. This is what is happening.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Heaven is non-space/time. Time is an effect caused by the change (reduction) of energy frequency as it leaves heaven.

God has access to the prime timeline, this is why it is said that He is the beginning and the end. He knows everything that will happen because to Him it's already happened.

Think of a movie that you have already seen. You know how it ends, then invite a friend over who has never seen it and watch your friend experience the movie anew. This is what is happening.

Hmmmm. This theory is almost as bizarre as mine -- but mine is rooted in Physics.
Where did you come up with this one, SU?
 

kadzbiz

..........................
I would suggest that God would know every different posible path that every person could take in life at the same time. Like knowing every alternative simultaneously. If there was a God that is. It is said that he is all knowing remember.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Hmmmm. This theory is almost as bizarre as mine -- but mine is rooted in Physics.
Where did you come up with this one, SU?

It's easy to know the future if there exists only a timeless present? No, in that case there would be no future, only now.

Time is a three dimensional artifact of 3rd state consciousness that contravenes the known laws of Physics and Relativity? No it's not and no it does not.

Your idea is rooted in physics? What kind of physics would that be?

Your idea that time is an idea that exists in the third dimension would contravene the typical dimensional theory that the fourth dimension is time. It also would not explain how matter ages with time without any human consciousness.

Einstein's best work put time into physics.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
I would suggest that God would know every different posible path that every person could take in life at the same time. Like knowing every alternative simultaneously. If there was a God that is. It is said that he is all knowing remember.

God knows every possible path? You could say there are many paths but eventually they all lead up the mountain.

There is one prime timeline. It cannot be altered, only experienced. If a soul joins with a biologic anywhere on this timeline then this creates a branch off of the prime timeline and the soul/biologic can make whatever choices it wishes to without altering the prime timeline.
 

Lazarus

Member
Within Christian thought sir- time is reffered to as a system of things- or aeon- it is not a continous motion but there is "untime which is a continous existence- Time itsef is a Priori- existing as an abortion or fetus of the first- being inferior to it. This aeon is naught but a system of things - like a tap unwinding- the effects of which are already configured-
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It's easy to know the future if there exists only a timeless present? No, in that case there would be no future, only now.

Exactly. Our perception of time is flawed. It's a dimension like any other. Spacetime.
God knows the future 'cause there is no future.

Time is a three dimensional artifact of 3rd state consciousness that contravenes the known laws of Physics and Relativity? No it's not and no it does not.

We live in a multidimensional Universe and believe we apprehend it correctly from a three, or, if you prefer, four dimensional perspective. Time is not the way we perceive it.

Your idea is rooted in physics? What kind of physics would that be?

Relativity.

Your idea that time is an idea that exists in the third dimension would contravene the typical dimensional theory that the fourth dimension is time. It also would not explain how matter ages with time without any human consciousness.

This is an unfamiliar interpretation of what I was getting at, but it's true that time, in Physics, is treated as a 4th dimension. Our perception of it, however, is not that of a dimension, and we certainly don't experience it as equivalent to space/distance.

While matter appears to age, this is an artifact of our mis perception of spacetime. The infant Super Universe exists now -- as real as the day he (?) was born. The fact that we don't perceive SU as a sort of Tralfamadorian worm is due to our ability to perceive the 4th dimension only in a limited, oblique way.
 

Paraprakrti

Custom User
As one who believes in an all knowing God, who knows the future of all things, I ask how does God know the future? We all have agency (free will) and can act as we please. So, God knows today exactly what I will be doing ten years from now. God's foreknowledge of the future cannot negate my agency, as scripture is clear that we have free will (I don't believe in predestination). One explanation is that God knows us well enough to predict how we will act in all things under given circumstances. He uses this knowledge to acurately predict what we will do. This prediction does not negate free will. I may know my kids dispositions well enough to predict how they will react in a stiuation. My predictions may be close, but not perfect, as God's will always be. I'm not comfortable with this explanation, however. If we are completely predictable, based on past behavior and current disposition, it seems to leave out the possibility for complete transformation of character. Free will seems to imply inpredictability. So, I prefer another view. God lives outside the bounds of time, or at least outside the bounds of time, as we know time to be. All things past, present and future and before Him at all times. He sees the future as He sees the hear and now. God knows what will happen because he observes it now. There is no need to predict, simply observe. Comments?

That God knows all doesn't negate that we, to the best of our knowledge and abilities, make day-to-day decisions.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Your life is a movie. It's all laid out before God.
Just becaues our limited consciousness is only able to move across it in one direction, at a set speed, and perceive only one frame at a time, does not mean that God labors under the same restriction.

Ishwara can examine your birth-frame, your death-frame, or any frames in betwen, anytime He wants, or (more realistically) simultaneously.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Your life is a movie. It's all laid out before God.
Just becaues our limited consciousness is only able to move across it in one direction, at a set speed, and perceive only one frame at a time, does not mean that God labors under the same restriction.

Ishwara can examine your birth-frame, your death-frame, or any frames in betwen, anytime He wants, or (more realistically) simultaneously.

God is not a character in the movie, He is the movie projector.
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
As one who believes in an all knowing God, who knows the future of all things, I ask how does God know the future? We all have agency (free will) and can act as we please. So, God knows today exactly what I will be doing ten years from now. God's foreknowledge of the future cannot negate my agency, as scripture is clear that we have free will (I don't believe in predestination). One explanation is that God knows us well enough to predict how we will act in all things under given circumstances. He uses this knowledge to acurately predict what we will do. This prediction does not negate free will. I may know my kids dispositions well enough to predict how they will react in a stiuation. My predictions may be close, but not perfect, as God's will always be. I'm not comfortable with this explanation, however. If we are completely predictable, based on past behavior and current disposition, it seems to leave out the possibility for complete transformation of character. Free will seems to imply inpredictability. So, I prefer another view. God lives outside the bounds of time, or at least outside the bounds of time, as we know time to be. All things past, present and future and before Him at all times. He sees the future as He sees the hear and now. God knows what will happen because he observes it now. There is no need to predict, simply observe. Comments?

you are quite right and i struggled with this question too. but, i came to the conclusion that while we may be "unpredictable" God's knowledge of us is far superior to our knowledge of our children because we existed for eons before we came to be mortal.

God resides in a place that is described by prophets through revelation as a "sea of fire and glass" where "all things are made known, past, present, and future. in a certain ceremony when you recieve the new name on a "white rock" that is your key to the urim and thummim that the earth will become as the celestial kingdom. the earth will become a urim and thummim. Yes, we do have free will. we always had it and we do not suprise god because he set forth a plan in motion that cannot be broken by people's actions, he always has a backup plan. If Joseph smith did not restore the gospel like he was destined to, it would have been someone else.

One good example of this is Jonah, who did not want to be a prophet and thought he could run from god. God knew his potential, and wanted him to accept the plan God had for him, but he rebelled, did god know he would rebel? yes because he knew of the possibility that he would. but he also persisted because he had a plan in place for him. if Jonah had ran away and did not fulfill the commandments of god he would not have been called a prophet and someone else would have been prepared in his stead.

Indeed we do have free will and while we do not "suprise" God, either he will delight in our actions, or he does not. and if he does not, he cannot bless us, but if he has a plan he has a backup in store.

The only minor difference or deviation from this idea is Christ. Christ did not have the veil over his eyes, he retained a full knowledge of the gospel plan and his pre-mortal life. the reason was because he would be the sacrifice to redeem god's children.

Even the fall Adam had the choice, God could not make him fall although it was nessicary for him to fall. God gave him two conflicting commandments and he knew based on his experience with Adam and Eve how they would react. Satan played right into God's plan by tempting Eve to become mortal, and Adam followed suit, this had to hapen for them to multiply and replenish the earth. God did not create them as mortal and imperfect because if God created something imperfect he would cease to be God.
 
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