The overwhelming vast majority don't care. From poor 3rd world people making babies to billionaires claiming that climate change is a hoax to religious leaders insisting that what matters is heaven, not earth...
The list is endless.
Tom
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How does the Masterpiece Really Work????
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The list is endless.
Tom
psychoslice
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Can I join you.
Pudding
Well-Known Member
Not really, mankind and the world is not nothing.
There is good here and there, same with the mess.
The fact is that there're criminal, terrorrist, evil people exist in the world, is that how people factor working well as it is supposed to do?
Please elaborate what do you mean by "people factor" and how does it working well.
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Bird123
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Those that do struggle to solve the problems do not get the attention the others get. Perhaps the vast majority won't be the ones to solve it.
OK, you know the bad. Let's talk about the good. Today scientists are working on making cold fusion a reality. They are working to find any means to make clean fusion energy work because it will end all the pollution problems. Until then, solar is getting better and better every day. More and more solar units are being installed every year. Wind power is advancing. I have seen the giant wind towers making clean power. Through new methods, natural gas supplies are going through the roof. Dirty coal is being used less and less. See any hybrid or electric cars? They are coming on.
There are people who do not care, however many do. Have you heard of GREEN houses, office buildings, and factories? The pollution challenges are bringing innovation and new ideas that will advance knowledge and open new doors to discovery.
One can not control the actions of others, however we can all do our part to get Green, clean things up, and make it better.
Mankind is going to make it when it is all said and done. I have to believe that. People have been preaching doom and gloom since the beginning of time. Let's keep our heads up. Hmmm? Maybe we can do something no one has thought of yet. Let's work on that too.
Bird123
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By people factor, I mean everything people are doing. If the physics system adds up to work so well, how is the system of mankind working well even with all that is going on which includes those making bad choices. If one thinks it does not work well, maybe one understands physics better than mankind or God's system.
So how is it all working so well??
Pudding
Well-Known Member
If by people factor, you mean everything people are doing, the "everything" would be including war, poluting earth, killing animal, stealing, selfish act, lying, cheating, aldultery...etc (for bad reason), these are bad people factor.
Your op asking "isn't it safe to assume the People factor is also working well as it is supposed to do", i'll say that some people factor (good action) sure is working well. But how does those bad people factor working well?
Please explain why, if you think the bad people factor i listed above is working well.
Please explain what do you mean by "the system of mankind" and "working so well", how does the system of mankind working so well, it working so well to achieve what goal, what is the result it working so well?
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ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
I agree. And how is works is we have moral free will, and we're here to see how we as individuals exercise it. If God had designed things so that the victory of good would triumph, #1, that prearrangement would negate our free will; and #2, people often forget that moral free will means that a certain number choose to devote their lives to being evil, and the rest of us wander off reservation from time to time. How we employ or reject repentance is just as important. You wouldn't expect a behavior scientist to throw some bananas in with a bunch of monkeys, and then swat those for who didn't share, or those who stole them from others, or exercise any form of disapproval, etc.
arthra
Baha'i
If we as humans see our world as a "mess" it's a natural and in my view appropriate prelude to correcting it! The "masterpiece" for us is then an ongoing work in progress rather than a Van Gogh hanging in a museum... rather it is an art of movement with climaxes and crescendos that will continue! Think sacred art and dance!
Put in other words:
The masterpiece in all its matchless beauty is imprinted with glowing radiance on the canvas of his soul. The Holy Grail has been attained, the design completed; a heavenly vista is revealed. New emotions and new aspirations are created, great love expands the heart, knowledge and certainty take the place of doubt and fear, the great longing has been satisfied, the search rewarded and the pilgrimage ended-the transformation is complete.
The pilgrim departs with the intense desire of finding other souls upon which this masterpiece can be reproduced; the imprint of the Spirit is eternal.
(SOW - Star of the West, Star of the West - 7)
Bird123
Well-Known Member
I thought you were supposed to come up with the answers for me.
OK. OK. How about this? People by choosing bad choices are choosing which lessons they want to learn. In time, when those choices return, one sees what those choices really mean. Would not you say the purpose and result of life in this world is Education????
With the diversity in this world, isn't it true we are learning from each other? In a multilevel classroom, there will be students who have not learned lessons that you have. Isn't it safe to assume there will be bad choices until the lessons are learned??? When one sees the bad choices of others, perhaps it is a reminder of what the good choices really are.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
I agree free will to choose is essential to learning. On the other hand, do you really think God's hands are tied to prevent Him from educating His children? If not, what purpose does blame and punishment serve except to serve the anger of one not being able to control another? God has no problem with the physics of the world. Do you really think God is having problems with people? Perhaps, it's religion who has the control issues. Of course, many people have control issues as well.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
If you view a painting up close, it always seems to be a mess. Take a few steps back and the view changes.
I think you are right. It is a Masterpiece in progress.
Pudding
Well-Known Member
You keep making assumption that this and that is working well, my questions is to know the details what/how working well you're talking about.
Thanks for your explanation, now i can understand what you mean by people factor or system of mankind "working well", it's not clear what you're talking about without your explanation.
Pudding
Well-Known Member
If God created the world so that the physics add up so well, it's safe to assume the People factor is also working well as it is supposed to do.
But the problem is i don't believe in any God being responsible for the creation of the world, so i'll not make assumption base on another assumption i don't believe in.
Another assumption that Great Intelligence (God) responsible for designing the human factor to work perfectly.
I cannot accept your question's premise rendering your question invalid for me.
Yes, that is a challenge to discovery because there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world to discover. Let's research all of them to see which religion's God have the best method to turn those people factor into Masterpiece. Maybe someday i'll find time and have interest to do such time consuming research, or maybe not...
Cannot understand what you're asking about.
Premise (God responsible for designing the human factor to work perfectly) denied so cannot answer your question.
"This alone I have found: The true God made mankind upright, but they have sought out many schemes." (Ecclesiastes 7:29)
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
Might I suggest a visit to your local library, preferably the Social and Physical science sections?
Bird123
Well-Known Member
If the 4200 religions have not found God, is it really the place to look?
Should your belief that God does not exist prevent you from figuring out how it all really works? Where is your curiosity? When Math is right, it adds up regardless of any beliefs. Who knows? One might bump into God while working on that Math.
Bird123
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Bird123
Well-Known Member
Might I suggest a visit to your local library, preferably the Social and Physical science sections?
It's always good advice to visit the library to acquire more information. On the other hand, is it really safe to assume all the answers will be found there?? If they had all the answers, new discoveries would not be possible. The way I see it. There is always more to Discover.
Pudding
Well-Known Member
If after researching all the religions someone conclude he have not found the true God from those religions, is it really the place for the person to look for true God?
If his conclusion is correct, then it is not the place to look for true God.
If his conclusion is wrong, he may continue to repeatedly research all those religions all his life if he wish to do so until he finally reach a correct conclusion.
I don't have belief that God doesn't exist, It is because i have not meet any evidence which can convince me to believe God doesn't exist.
Me saying i don't believe God exist, it is because i have not meet any evidence which can convince me to believe God exist.
"I don't believe God exist" doesn't equal to "I believe God doesn't exist".
I don't believe God exist neither do i believe God doesn't exist.
Here is the revision of your question:
Should your disbelief that God exist prevent you from figuring out how it all really works? Where is your curiosity?
There are many things i don't believe in, of course i have curiosity to have every answer about many of them, but unfortunately i don't have enough time nor find it important to figure most of them out.
Also i figure out how anything works by reason and logic, not by God say so.
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IMO, most people give credence to the myth that they can successfully determine their course apart from God. The Bible assures us we cannot, nor do we have the right to try. (Jeremiah 10:23) I believe this rebellion will soon end, at God's appointed day and hour. The masterpiece will be restored to it's perfection. (2 Peter 3:10,13)