How Important Is It...

[Left Coast]

In your view, how important is it, in terms of political or policy priorities, that we (humanity generally) reduce our greenhouse gas emissions? Why?

Recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change here:
Sixth Assessment Report

 

[Lain]

In your view, how important is it, in terms of political or policy priorities, that we (humanity generally) reduce our greenhouse gas emissions? Why?

Recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change here:
Sixth Assessment Report

It is supremely important because I hate hot weather, I am a winter child, and this is not my element.

Also it's good to me not to destroy the Earth we inherited and are going to give to others when we die.

 

[exchemist]

In your view, how important is it, in terms of political or policy priorities, that we (humanity generally) reduce our greenhouse gas emissions? Why?

Recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change here:
Sixth Assessment Report

This is the easy bit.

The harder bit is to ask what we are prepared to give up and what we are prepared to pay. That is where we are now and I fear our leaders will duck the tough choices.

I have been given an indicative estimate for replacing my gas boiler with heat pump, of £15k, only £5k of which I can expect to get as a grant from the government. So it's quite likely to to cost me 10 grand if I go ahead. Whereas a new gas boiler would cost more like £3k. We will all get choices like that in future.

 

[Estro Felino]

I do not think the Earth is predisposed to the CO2 emissions that are the products of 7 billion humans' activities.

 

[pearl]

The effects of rising ocean temperatures will inevitably trickle down into the food chain. According to Stefanie Sekich-Quinn, coastal preservation manager for the Surfrider Foundation, there will be a "chain reaction" if coral reefs aren't protected.

"If we don't have corals feeding fish, then fish aren't going to be able to sustain our diets," Sekich-Quinn said. "Coral and other components help absorb wave energy. So, when we start to lose our corals, we're going to have more intense storms, potentially more sea level rise."

Warming waters may also cause coral bleaching to occur. "Essentially, the algae that live within the coral get too hot, and they expel themselves," Sekich-Quinn said.

According to a U.N. Climate Report release in early August, scientists predict that 90% of the coral reefs will die off by the year 2050.

Seems the rising ocean temp has a dominoes effect. I wonder how long some people can keep the blinders on.

 

[Mock Turtle]

This is the easy bit.

The harder bit is to ask what we are prepared to give up and what we are prepared to pay. That is where we are now and I fear our leaders will duck the tough choices.

I have been given an indicative estimate for replacing my gas boiler with heat pump, of £15k, only £5k of which I can expect to get as a grant from the government. So it's quite likely to to cost me 10 grand if I go ahead. Whereas a new gas boiler would cost more like £3k. We will all get choices like that in future.

Couldn't these costs be added on to any existing mortgages, so lessening the immediate impact - if one has such of course?

 

[exchemist]

Couldn't these costs be added on to any existing mortgages, so lessening the immediate impact - if one has such of course?

That one could, I guess. But there will be other costs we have to bear that can't be shuffled off into the future.

I do think one big issue with this is that costs will go up and we will need to have more social redistribution of wealth, to shield those at the bottom for whom the hit could take them over the line into real poverty. It won't be an easy sell politically, which is why most of our leaders have not really faced up to it yet. We are still at the stage of signing up to goals set far enough in the future that they will no longer be in office. That worries me a bit.

We are making huge strides in some areas, notably cars and electricity generation. But these are not the ones where the costs will hit home that much. I think depriving houses of gas is a big one.

 

[74x12]

In your view, how important is it, in terms of political or policy priorities, that we (humanity generally) reduce our greenhouse gas emissions? Why?

Recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change here:
Sixth Assessment Report

It's not that important. It's a big cover story for other things going on. It's ultimately going to be used as an excuse for eugenics and other anti-human agendas.

 

[Left Coast]

This is the easy bit.

The harder bit is to ask what we are prepared to give up and what we are prepared to pay. That is where we are now and I fear our leaders will duck the tough choices.

I have been given an indicative estimate for replacing my gas boiler with heat pump, of £15k, only £5k of which I can expect to get as a grant from the government. So it's quite likely to to cost me 10 grand if I go ahead. Whereas a new gas boiler would cost more like £3k. We will all get choices like that in future.

I worry about the same things. Although I'd regard it as generally very important that we reduce GHGs, if we impose restrictions on fossil guels without the proper infrastructure in place to make renewables as affordable and accessible, we have the potential for economic crisis.

 

[exchemist]

I worry about the same things. Although I'd regard it as generally very important that we reduce GHGs, if we impose restrictions on fossil guels without the proper infrastructure in place to make renewables as affordable and accessible, we have the potential for economic crisis.

Yes the transition will be expensive, there's no getting away from it. Of course failing to transition will also be expensive (probably far more so) later, in terms of wars, famines, relocation of cities etc. But it's hard to get people to out their hands in their pockets for something in the future. I suspect that politically, a frog-boiling strategy will be needed, whereby new regulations and taxes are put in one by one, to give people a chance to get used to them by degrees.

 

[pearl]

But unlike other countries, where extreme hunger and near-famine conditions are caused by war, conflict, or isolated weather events, in this part of Madagascar, the cause is so far unique: southern Madagascar is on the verge of becoming the world's first climate-change induced near-famine in modern history.
S. Madagascar on the verge of climate change-induced famine: How to help - ABC News (go.com)

 

[metis]

Anyone who reads scientific journals well knows that there is only one correct answer: "Extremely Important". Even our DoD here in the States has acknowledged this, as well as has NOAA, NASA, the NIS, etc.

 

[exchemist]

It's not that important. It's a big cover story for other things going on. It's ultimately going to be used as an excuse for eugenics and other anti-human agendas.

That's crackers.

 

[Twilight Hue]

In your view, how important is it, in terms of political or policy priorities, that we (humanity generally) reduce our greenhouse gas emissions? Why?

Recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change here:
Sixth Assessment Report

I think its mindful but not by crippling infrastructure in the process.

 

[Kooky]

It is supremely important because I hate hot weather, I am a winter child, and this is not my element.

Also it's good to me not to destroy the Earth we inherited and are going to give to others when we die.

I love your priorities, very honest.

 

[Kooky]

Anyone who reads scientific journals well knows that there is only one correct answer: "Extremely Important". Even our DoD here in the States has acknowledged this, as well as has NOAA, NASA, the NIS, etc.

The problem is that a lot of these organization use it as an excuse to secure funding for new defensive strategies against the coming climate refugee crisis, rather than doing anything to prevent that from happening in the first place.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In your view, how important is it, in terms of political or policy priorities, that we (humanity generally) reduce our greenhouse gas emissions? Why?

Very.


Because otherwise, our grand children will grow up in a world that is very different from the one we grew up in. And not a "good" different. But a different in which mega extinctions of plenty of fauna and flora is inevitable, where entire cities are flooded regularly, where natural disasters will be a LOT more common and where famine will be a real issue globally as a result of all these things.



Next to that, to those who claim that these emissions are no big deal, I'll invite them, if they truly believe that, to go sit in their car in the garage and close the garage doors while the car is running.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's not that important. It's a big cover story for other things going on. It's ultimately going to be used as an excuse for eugenics and other anti-human agendas.

Serious question.

Is this a serious post?

 

[metis]

The problem is that a lot of these organization use it as an excuse to secure funding for new defensive strategies against the coming climate refugee crisis, rather than doing anything to prevent that from happening in the first place.

These are scientific advisory groups, thus they have no power to do as such-- unfortunately.

 

[InChrist]

In your view, how important is it, in terms of political or policy priorities, that we (humanity generally) reduce our greenhouse gas emissions? Why?

Recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change here:
Sixth Assessment Report

I am not sure.
Although, I believe according to the biblical scriptures humans are shortly going to be damaging the planet much more so than that are at present. Nevertheless. I do think that taking care of the environment and earth is extremely important because the scriptures indicate God gave that responsibility to humanity and in Revelation it is stated that those who destroy the earth will be destroyed. If reduced green house emissions is vital to preserving earth’s environment then I would consider this very important. Yet, what I am unsure of is human ability to accurately determine the amount of greenhouse emissions which are harmful, how harmful, and the urgency of the situation. So I still research, try to become more educated on the subject, and pray for wisdom from the One who created the earth and knows.
I also have concerns that there are those in government-corporate partnerships who may see the climate situation as a crisis to be taken advantage of for personal gain at the expense of others.
I recently read a related, interesting opinion piece, if you or anyone is interested...

“Koonin stipulates firmly that Earth’s climate is changing and becoming warmer, and that human influence is playing a role. He is eager to identify and advocate actions that will address these changes effectively. But he is deeply troubled — “appalled” is one of his terms — by the misuse of science, his life’s work, to persuade rather than inform, and by the near-hysterical pressure to stifle and vilify any deviation from the dogma of the day.

As detailed in The Post earlier this year, the book uses government and academic reports’ own data to challenge the scientific “consensus” — about rising sea levels, droughts, extreme weather — now repeated endlessly and uncritically.

Doesn’t the world face economic catastrophe, absent wrenching, unimaginably expensive actions to reduce greenhouse emissions? Not according to Koonin, who cites the United Nations’s own report stating plainly that any such effect would be minor at most and decades away.

Koonin also points out how wildly climate computer models disagree with each other. Having written one of the first textbooks on such modeling, he is especially harsh on the “fine-tuning” of models to adjust for unwelcome findings. He says that such manipulation often crosses the line into “cooking the books.”

We have never expected much truthfulness or integrity from our politicians, whose self-interest in publicity and campaign dollars too often outweighs any scruples about scientific precision. Nonprofit “public interest” groups raise fortunes on forecasts of doom, often on the flimsiest evidence. The modern news media, chasing the dollars that titillating, click-catching headlines bring, have been, if anything, worse than the political class in discussing climate change. Koonin serves up multiple examples, with descriptions such as “deliberately misleading” and “blatantly misrepresenting.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...oonin-climate-change-theory-reminder-science/