How is Sikhism different from Hinduism

[ZoyaHayat]

Finally. It's time we agreed on something.

Lolzzzzzz xxx

 

[Satsangi]

God is like a Sphatika Linga.........whatever you do abishek with, u see the Linga in that color. By the same token, whatever are ur thought about God reflects back at you....form or formless or nothingness.... u get God in ths same way. But He remains undescribable and one without a second. There is One and He is the only One.

It is baseless to say that people who worship a form of God cannot be enlightened. Almost all the Saints of Sanatan Dharma worshipped a form, and there are great enlightened Saints in pure Bhakti path who worshipped a form e.g Mirabai... I can give a lot of other examples too......

In fact, only the fortunate ones recognise God when He comes as a human form because mere recognition is the Ultimate Liberation; there is no other Sadhana remaining to be done. U do not need to see a "consciousness" or a "light" or anything afterwards. If you hold on to that form of God, you have everything and anything you would ever want spiritually.

Regards,

 

[ZoyaHayat]

God is like a Sphatika Linga.........whatever you do abishek with, u see the Linga in that color. By the same token, whatever are ur thought about God reflects back at you....form or formless or nothingness.... u get God in ths same way. But He remains undescribable and one without a second. There is One and He is the only One.

It is baseless to say that people who worship a form of God cannot be enlightened. Almost all the Saints of Sanatan Dharma worshipped a form, and there are great enlightened Saints in pure Bhakti path who worshipped a form e.g Mirabai... I can give a lot of other examples too......

In fact, only the fortunate ones recognise God when He comes as a human form because mere recognition is the Ultimate Liberation; there is no other Sadhana remaining to be done. U do not need to see a "consciousness" or a "light" or anything afterwards. If you hold on to that form of God, you have everything and anything you would ever want spiritually.

Regards,

Dear Satsangi...

I still contradict you ...

As for the Sufi/Bhakhthi Saint Meera Bai she did'nt worship the Idol of Krishna Ji but the persona and Divine Light of his and Divine Love...yes she was attracted to the Idol of Krishna Ji and looked after it with her life but her devotion was to the soul of the Idol not the form itself ...

xxx

 

[Satsangi]

Dear Satsangi...

I still contradict you ...

As for the Sufi/Bhakhthi Saint Meera Bai she did'nt worship the Idol of Krishna Ji but the persona and Divine Light of his and Divine Love...yes she was attracted to the Idol of Krishna Ji and looked after it with her life but her devotion was to the soul of the Idol not the form itself ...

xxx

Devotee does not see "idol" only- they see the Divine/God in the Idol itself- that is understood. Still, Mirabai did not worship Ramji Murti; she worshipped Lord Krishna (that form only.) I can find many bhajans by Mirabai describing the FORM of Lord Krishna; not the spirit or divine light.

Are u still contradicting me?........lol

Regards,

 

[xkatz]

How is Sikhism different from Hinduism

1.Philosophically
2.Other aspects.(pls dont concentrate on this)


Thanks.

Sikhism is different in several ways.
For instance Sikhism emphasizes monotheism and that god is infinite and universal and Sikhism. This directly conflicts with many Hindus' beliefs b/c most Hindus are monistic (ie man is divine) and that people can be god incarnate (ie Shiva, Vishnu, Krishna, etc). Also sikhism emphasizes on surpeme equality (ie everyone is the same rank) were as Hinduism has imposed the caste system, though this is increasingly rare today.

On the flip side, they have some similarities.
Both believe in Karma and reincarnation. And both emphasize (to an extent) on things like yoga, and meditation.

 

[Metempsychosis]

Sikhism is different in several ways.
For instance Sikhism emphasizes monotheism and that god is infinite and universal and Sikhism. This directly conflicts with many Hindus' beliefs b/c most Hindus are monistic (ie man is divine) and that people can be god incarnate (ie Shiva, Vishnu, Krishna, etc).

IMHO,barring few sects of Hinduism which are monotheists(Creation-Creator Duality),all other sects of all dharmic religions see no(or little) duality.Sikhism itself is a non-dualist religion.Just that they (like Muslims),dont pray outwards to immanent aspects of the Supreme,does not mean they are not monists.

Also sikhism emphasizes on surpeme equality (ie everyone is the same rank) were as Hinduism has imposed the caste system, though this is increasingly rare today.

I see this as the most important reasons for which Sikhism itself started.Mainly due to the fact Hinduism has inherent ability to provoke Caste divisions.In fact,any religion with social implications degrades sooner or later due to human frailties.

 

[A-ManESL]

IMHO,barring few sects of Hinduism which are monotheists(Creation-Creator Duality),all other sects of all dharmic religions see no(or little) duality.Sikhism itself is a non-dualist religion.Just that they (like Muslims),dont pray outwards to immanent aspects of the Supreme,does not mean they are not monists.

IMO there is another way to look at it, then through the angle of theological differences between sects of the Hindu religion, or of any religion whatsoever. You need to separate the esoteric part of a religion from the exoteric part. The esoteric has a wider view of the Reality and can recognize no contradiction in simultaneous belief in both duality and unity. This is either rejected in some cases de-jure or in some cases de-facto by the exoteric followers which are not in a position to examine Reality from the postion afforded to the esoterics. Even if the exoteric followers de-jure accept monism, what really happens is this, that their internal convictions are not strong enough to support it, and invariably they de-facto lean towards some kind of dual approach.

Regards.

 

[GURSIKH]

IMO there is another way to look at it, then through the angle of theological differences between sects of the Hindu religion, or of any religion whatsoever. You need to separate the esoteric part of a religion from the exoteric part. The esoteric has a wider view of the Reality and can recognize no contradiction in simultaneous belief in both duality and unity. This is either rejected in some cases de-jure or in some cases de-facto by the exoteric followers which are not in a position to examine Reality from the postion afforded to the esoterics. Even if the exoteric followers de-jure accept monism, what really happens is this, that their internal convictions are not strong enough to support it, and invariably they de-facto lean towards some kind of dual approach.

Regards.

slam A ManEsl ,

can you explain above in context of Sikhi ?

 

[Metempsychosis]

IMO there is another way to look at it, then through the angle of theological differences between sects of the Hindu religion, or of any religion whatsoever. You need to separate the esoteric part of a religion from the exoteric part. The esoteric has a wider view of the Reality and can recognize no contradiction in simultaneous belief in both duality and unity. This is either rejected in some cases de-jure or in some cases de-facto by the exoteric followers which are not in a position to examine Reality from the postion afforded to the esoterics. Even if the exoteric followers de-jure accept monism, what really happens is this, that their internal convictions are not strong enough to support it, and invariably they de-facto lean towards some kind of dual approach.

Regards.

I agree with you.But dualism as such can be esoteric too.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Devotee does not see "idol" only- they see the Divine/God in the Idol itself- that is understood. Still, Mirabai did not worship Ramji Murti; she worshipped Lord Krishna (that form only.) I can find many bhajans by Mirabai describing the FORM of Lord Krishna; not the spirit or divine light.

Are u still contradicting me?........lol

Regards,

Yes i am Satsangi xxx

 

[A-ManESL]

slam A ManEsl ,

can you explain above in context of Sikhi ?

Hello GuruSikh. Unfortunately my knowledge of Sikhism is limited. But this point does not really need to be explained with reference to any religion. So I'll just use examples which I pulled from the net. I hope the examples are in context.

See as far as I know, for a practical Sikh, there is a certain duality between him and God. De-Jure he accepts the verse, "That which is inside man, the same is outside him;nothing else exists; By divine prompting look upon all existence as one and undifferentiated; the same light penetrates all existence.(Sorath M.I.II—bage 599)", but practically he can't think of himself as a tree or God.

The esoteric on the other hand is standing on a different plane. Because of his multi dimensional vision he can see no contradiction between considering himself as Reality and also distinct from it, and he practically recognizes that there is no contradiction. Guru Arjan Dev has said that all differences and diversities are inseperable inherent phases or forms of the Ik. So for him, the truth that there is a underlying unity of essence was self evident. This might not be the case for ordinary people.

Regards.

 

[GURSIKH]

Hello GuruSikh. Unfortunately my knowledge of Sikhism is limited. But this point does not really need to be explained with reference to any religion. So I'll just examples which I pulled from the net. I hope the examples are in context.

See as far as I know, for a practical Sikh, there is a certain duality between him and God. De-Jure he accepts the verse, "That which is inside man, the same is outside him;nothing else exists; By divine prompting look upon all existence as one and undifferentiated; the same light penetrates all existence.(Sorath M.I.II—bage 599)", but practically he can't think of himself as a tree or God.

The esoteric on the other hand is standing on a different plane. Because of his multi dimensional vision he can see no contradiction between considering himself as Reality and also distinct from it, and he practically recognizes that there is no contradiction. Guru Arjan Dev has said that all differences and diversities are inseperable inherent phases or forms of the Ik. So for him, the truth that there is a underlying unity of essence was self evident. This might not be the case for ordinary people.

Regards.

HI A manESL JI ,

YOU are true ,Guru sFrame /Dimentionality of Thought is always much much infinite wider then his Pupils ( Sikhs ), This applied to the above quote Of Fifth Nanak Guru Arjan dev ji .

Hello GuruSikh. Unfortunately my knowledge of Sikhism is limited

Guru Nanak says to a muslim to be a Good Muslim , A Hindu to be a Good Hindu .

i hope you will gave little time to Sikhi

slaam

 

[A-ManESL]

i hope you will gave little time to Sikhi

slaam

Yes, God willing I will.

Regards.

 

[Satsangi]

Yes i am Satsangi xxx

Dear Zoya,

For a devotee , the FORM of God itself is everything; there is no other desire and no other divinity.

By the way .......still contradicting me?.........See in your own Avatar- who is in front of Mirabai?...........Is it Lord Krishna or a divine light?

I think I GOT U THIS TIME!!!.....lol

Regards,...........

 

[Satsangi]

Many of the Scriptures mention God as formless so that the DIVINE FORM of God is not compared to any other form (like another human being) by people who cannot understand God easily. Lord Krishna says in Bhagvad Gita that any person who recognizes my form and deeds as divine is instantly liberated. Yes, the DIVINE form of God cannot be comprehended by any of the senses or intellect. The SAME divine or Satchitananda form of God descends on the earth in human form like Lord Krishna. Although appearing like a human, there is nothing "human" about this form and for a true Bhakta (devotee) there is no difference between the DIVINE form and HUMAN form. To see no difference between these two forms is the Ultimate Knowledge. The human form although appearing to take birth.... it is birthless (Ajanma) in reality and although it appears to die, it is immortal- all these- birth and death happens by His wish only. Lord Krishna again says in Bhagvad Gita that whoever takes these leelas (deeds) of the Avathar of God as divine- he is the real devotee. Seeing the true form of the God inspite of all these human appearances is what is called the victory over Maya (illusion). The prime reason of the God's Avatar is not to kill few demons, but it is just His sheer Grace so that His devotees can actually see and interact with Him according to their own wishes and love Him. A human can interact with a human only and not with "air" or "sky" or the DIVINE form of God. The divine form can be somewhat only comprehended by Samadhi or by Jnana as the DIVINE form is limitless. But, when He is as human here......there is no limit for u to love Him- this loving Bhakti ingrained firmly in the Knowledge of God's form is the Mukti (liberation). The Bhakta's liberation is not by his attempt (Sadhana); the Bhakta's liberation is only through and by God Himself. The Bhakta, as per Srimad Bhagvatam, does not wish even for any liberation; he just wishes His Bhakti.

The above is a Hinduism perspective from the path of Bhakti.

Regards,

 

[Madhuri]

b/c most Hindus are monistic (ie man is divine) and that people can be god incarnate (ie Shiva, Vishnu, Krishna, etc).

Hinduism has imposed the caste system, though this is increasingly rare today.

I am a Hindu and never knew that people can be god incarnate. Has anyone? God is God and we are all manifestations of His energy.

The caste system has nothing to do with Hinduism. Hindus in India simply decided to create a caste system in India at some point. That makes it cultural, not religious.

 

[Metempsychosis]

Hindus in India simply decided to create a caste system in India at some point. That makes it cultural, not religious.

It is partly religious .I think caste system was present in Indonesia when Hinduism was prevailing there.In medieval ages mainly,I would say some aspects of Hinduism can be easily used for provoking such divisions.They of course missed the "spirit" of the religion .

 

[Satsangi]

It is partly religious .I think caste system was present in Indonesia when Hinduism was prevailing there.In medieval ages mainly,I would say some aspects of Hinduism can be easily used for provoking such divisions.They of course missed the "spirit" of the religion .

The Varnashram Dharmas of Hinduism were misinterpreted; hence I would call it more societal and not a religious thing.

Regards,

 

[Madhuri]

It is partly religious .I think caste system was present in Indonesia when Hinduism was prevailing there.In medieval ages mainly,I would say some aspects of Hinduism can be easily used for provoking such divisions.They of course missed the "spirit" of the religion .

True, though the true yogis and spiritual masters do not encourage such thinking because it really isn't anything to do with the path to realisation. It definitely seems more cultural to have a caste system and don't you think Indonesia would have been influenced by what they saw happening in India?

 

[Metempsychosis]

True, though the true yogis and spiritual masters do not encourage such thinking because it really isn't anything to do with the path to realisation. It definitely seems more cultural to have a caste system and don't you think Indonesia would have been influenced by what they saw happening in India?

Arrival of Islam reduced caste system in Indonesia.It is more due to lack of education motivated by blind faith rather than culture.Philosophically,Caste-system is the byproduct of reincarnation theory stretched to an "illogical" extent.IMHO,the reforms in the latter part of this century has been quite successful.