This is a much better response. I don't know which police departments allow the things you mentioned, but do doubt I'm sure there are places where this does exist, and such things need to be addressed in those departments.
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How It Is That Bad Cops Are The Majority Of Cops
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Are those cops? Or security Guards?Are they required to meet any fitness standards?
Cops.
Pete in Panama
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My failures --as bad as they are-- can not change the attitudes of the majority of cops. My failures are irrelevant to our discussion of the nature of cops. My understanding is based part on my personal experience in my own contact w/ police officers that confirm my general understanding that humans are good.
If our problem in communicating stems from a decision on your part that people are bad, then we're stuck. Tom Paine once said (I paraphrase) that to argue with someone who's renounced the use and authority of reason and who holds humanity in contempt is like giving medicine to the dead. Another possibility is that your goal may be to simply confront and quarrel, and once again we'd be stuck and I'd bid you a good day and be on my way.
Most interactions with cops are acceptable.
Similarly, most interactions with criminals are too.
After all, both only act badly some of the time,
not all of the time.
Perhaps you're not elderly, a teenager, deaf, blind,
autistic, mentally ill, aphasiac, a foreigner, black,
poor, Hispanic, Amerindian, or a member of some
other group that cops tend to be antagonistic
towards. Your experience differs from many many
other people who've suffered bad cops.
That's obviously wrong.
We're not stuck at all.
Solutions:
Raise hiring standards, raise pay to attract
better applicants, make training better &
more comprehensive, improve accountability,
improve supervision, have mental health
professionals handle situations requiring
their expertise (instead of cops).
☆Dreamwind☆
Active Member
Because they do not allow themselves to be policed, held to strict rules and standards, or be punished appropriately. This is not to say there aren't good ones who do uphold the motto To Protect and Serve. I've met my fair share, but it seems they've become the exception. Not the rule. Rotten to the core.
For anyone interested in watching a 10 or so minute
video, this offers some insight into how it is that a
majority of cops can be bad.
video, this offers some insight into how it is that a
majority of cops can be bad.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
You may be overstating the problem since it's likely that we will only read about malpractice. However, there's not much doubt that effective oversight is necessary. But how might that be accomplished?
There’s no national police force in the US, where policing is organised on a state and local basis. The country has around 500,000 police officers and a total of 40,000 separate police forces, over half of which are simply one or two-man sheriffs’ offices in small towns.
The malfeasance & misfeasance seen shows a wider
problem of corruption because of the many efforts
to cover up the problem, & the very few efforts
by any good cops to stop bad cops from misdeeds.
This is an interesting video about how cops
are trained. They're actually taught to abuse
civilians (eg, taze people for recording, shoot
fleeing cars, illegal traffic stops, to be hostile
& profane).
Caution: Much profanity & dehumanization
of civilians, including sexual assault.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Their training alone primes them to be paranoid loose cannons with a gun a trigger finger that's itching. Don't be a good, decent person that people will go along with, always have control and dominate the situation. Being nice gets cops killed by not nice people.
For those interested, this video shows how an entire department can be bad cops.
The high proportion of bad cops is due in
part because illegal behavior is widely tolerated
by police departments, prosecutors, & courts.
In Elyria OH, a man's ex wanted some property back.
Cops agree to help her, & advise her to kick in the door.
Cops admit there's no crime.
They have no warrant.
Cops enter the home, pull guns on the man,
& taze him as he gets out of the shower.
Man spends week in jail with 5 felony counts.
Judge dismisses all charges.
Cops investigate themselves, & find no wrongdoing.
No cops were prosecuted or even disciplined.
part because illegal behavior is widely tolerated
by police departments, prosecutors, & courts.
In Elyria OH, a man's ex wanted some property back.
Cops agree to help her, & advise her to kick in the door.
Cops admit there's no crime.
They have no warrant.
Cops enter the home, pull guns on the man,
& taze him as he gets out of the shower.
Man spends week in jail with 5 felony counts.
Judge dismisses all charges.
Cops investigate themselves, & find no wrongdoing.
No cops were prosecuted or even disciplined.
Woman in Santa Fe NM dropping off her kid at school
goes the wrong way in its driveway. Cops pull her
from her car, & put her face down in a fire ant mound.
She screams about being bitten all over. The cop
continues to hold her down in the fire ants as they
bite her hundreds of times. Other cops on the scene
stand by, allowing this....not a single one stopping
her torture All this happens in front of her child.
N Mexico is notorious for vicious cops. This torture
resulted in no prosecution or even discipline, which
means departmental approval. This shows how most
cops are bad cops.
www.independent.co.uk
This ex-EMT ex-cop explains how this attack
could've killed her.
goes the wrong way in its driveway. Cops pull her
from her car, & put her face down in a fire ant mound.
She screams about being bitten all over. The cop
continues to hold her down in the fire ants as they
bite her hundreds of times. Other cops on the scene
stand by, allowing this....not a single one stopping
her torture All this happens in front of her child.
N Mexico is notorious for vicious cops. This torture
resulted in no prosecution or even discipline, which
means departmental approval. This shows how most
cops are bad cops.
Video shows cops holding a mom down in bed of fire ants and she pleaded for help
Police argue there were no fire ants nearby during the mom’s arrest in a school parking lot
This ex-EMT ex-cop explains how this attack
could've killed her.
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anotherneil
Well-Known Member
Yes, other cops ought to be judged as corrupt and rotten.
What those other cops at the scene should've done immediately is drawn their weapons, aimed them at this POS thug with a badge who attacked his victim who was in handcuffs and in his custody, told him to put his hands up, rescued the victim by evacuating him from the scene of the crime & distancing him from his attacker, arresting the POS thug with a badge, and calling for an ambulance to provide the victim with the emergency medical care that he needed as a result of this attack. None of that happened.
Furthermore, there should've been a roaring outcry from the rest of the law enforcement community condemning this POS thug with a badge along with the other cops at the scene who did nothing to help and protect the victim, and this also did not happen at all.
Consequently, this makes the entire law enforcement community everywhere in the country totally complicit and worthy of being judged as corrupt and rotten.
I have already come to the conclusion: all of these law enforcement agencies consisting of any unelected career professional law enforcement agents must be disbanded; it's a failed experiment.
It's unfortunate that this is the conclusion I have to come to, because I am not an anarchist and I'm totally for law and order. I think the bulk of individuals who decide to choose to have a life and career as law enforcement agents do so because either they care about the community they want to serve, or perhaps they think it would be an interesting job to have which provides them with problems and challenges that they might be good at dealing with - but in any case, are not doing so to treat people like this.
If they really were committed to being law enforcement agents, then they should see this type of behavior and incidents as appalling, unacceptable, disgraceful, and shameful - not to mention criminal, yet there isn't the level of expression of this coming out of this group of government-sanctioned gangsters that there ought to be.
An exception could be made for any law enforcement agents out there who see this type of behavior from a thug with a badge as sickening, and step forward to say that they themselves do not condone this sort of thing and want the necessary and appropriate action to be taken to deal with these types of problem. Remember that one female police officer who grabbed another thug with a badge to pull him off of his victim? I would consider her as an example of this exception by virtue of her brave action.
At least part of the problem is tied to the political support with the sentiment that law enforcement agents can do no wrong, and this predominantly comes from the religious zealot type of Right-wingers; their media personalities express this, and they even try to blame George Floyd for his own death, even after his murderer, who was a law enforcement agent, was convicted.
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I would consider this to be the central part of the problem, since it should be noted that police officers and chiefs of police are under the command and control of the civilian governments overseeing their jurisdiction. If the elected officials and other legal authorities refuse to do their jobs and rein in these thugs, then that's totally on them. I'm not even sure how much politics plays a role in this, as both parties routinely turn the blind eye to police brutality. (The George Floyd murder occurred under a Democratic-controlled jurisdiction.)
It should also be noted that, in most of these cases of deaths at officers' hands, there was no immediate danger or public safety concern from the alleged perpetrators, as noted in this article: Why did more than 1,000 people die after police subdued them with force that isn't meant to kill?
So, in only 30% of the cases were officers trying to stop people from harming others, but in the remaining 70% of cases of deadly force, there was no reason for using such force to begin with.
Pete in Panama
Well-Known Member
Time to take stock and look at where we are.
We see that the world is good and that people are good. We live in an interesting universe where things can be good AND they can get better. Humans gather and form governments that hire cops to maintain order. This means that in general governments are good and cops are good. Without governments and w/o cops we would live in chaos and anarchy and that's why we rarely let that happen. In fact, if we didn't have governments and cops we would not be human.
Everything else is fine tuning, that includes those few cops that break the law and need to go to prison. Most cops don't break the law and we're grateful that they're there.
Some might consider governments and cops to be a "necessary evil," but that's a far cry from considering them to be "good."
If the world is truly good, and if the people are mostly good, then there would be minimal need for government or police to get involved in people's lives.
Cops who allow other cops to commit crimes
should also go to prison as accessories.
Pete in Panama
Well-Known Member
Naturally there are many views on this. My suspicion is that most healthy people like the universe and they like humanity. Most folks understand that human life is sacred and they make laws to prevent murder. I say it's good what most people do.
You seem to say that the world is better than people. I don't say that. What I see is that people are social animals and if you separate an individual at birth then he never learns to talk or interact --he's an extremely stunted human. People make governments and cops and we live in harmony. If you say that's not good then I'll say that it'll do fine until real good comes along.