How It Is That Bad Cops Are The Majority Of Cops

[Revoltingest]

This video shows the type of bad cop I often refer to,
ie, they allow other cops to commit illegal acts, but
do nothing to stop it. They even participate in
cover ups.
In this case a cooperative person in handcuffs is
assaulted by a cop, who threw him to the ground,
causing head & hand injuries. Not one of the many
other cops on the scene attempted to stop the
assault. Not one cop reported the assault. It only
came to light when the victim was hospitalized,
which triggered an investigation. The assailant
was put on paid vacation.
Such is very typical. It's extremely rare to see a
cop intervene when another cop goes rogue on
a civilian.

 

[Kfox]

This video shows the type of bad cop I often refer to,
ie, they allow other cops to commit illegal acts, but
do nothing to stop it. They even participate in
cover ups.
In this case a cooperative person in handcuffs is
assaulted by a cop, who threw him to the ground,
causing head & hand injuries. Not one of the many
other cops on the scene attempted to stop the
assault. Not one cop reported the assault. It only
came to light when the victim was hospitalized,
which triggered an investigation. The assailant
was put on paid vacation.
Such is very typical. It's extremely rare to see a
cop intervene when another cop goes rogue on
a civilian.

So you look at a video of a few cops doing bad, and judge all cops based on the behavior of the few in this video? Do you consider this fair? Do you judge all people of a group based on the actions of a few within that group?

 

[Father Heathen]

So you look at a video of a few cops doing bad, and judge all cops based on the behavior of the few in this video? Do you consider this fair? Do you judge all people of a group based on the actions of a few within that group?

The "good" ones enable through silence.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you look at a video of a few cops doing bad, and judge all cops based on the behavior of the few in this video?

Well, that shows complete unawareness of the
vast number of cops who blatantly arrest, beat,
arrest, & kill innocent people while other cops
fail to stop such illegal acts, & even help cover
them up in dozens of posts in each of dozens
of threads on the topic.

 

[PureX]

I think they tend to perceive themselves to be at war with the public, and therefor arm-in-arm in the trenches, so to speak. It's a fundamental failure of militerized law enforcement as opposed to authorized social service. A career in "enforcement" attracts the bully-boys among us the way careers involving unguarded children attract pedophiles.

We need to change the basic purpose of policing away from "law enforcement" and toward public safety and security.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think they tend to perceive themselves to be at war with the public, and therefor arm-in-arm in the trenches, so to speak. It's a fundamental failure of militerized law enforcement as opposed to authorized social service. A career in "enforcement" attracts the bully-boys among us the way careers involving unguarded children attract pedophiles.

We need to change the basic purpose of policing away from "law enforcement" and toward public safety and security.

You might find this interesting. It addresses how US cops
are trained to be fearful warriors rather than our guardians.

Law Enforcement's "Warrior" Problem | Harvard Law

Within law enforcement, few things are more venerated than the concept of the Warrior. Officers are trained to cultivate a “warrior mindset,” the virtues of which are extolled in books,

harvardlawreview.org

 

[tytlyf]

You have to think of police departments as fraternities.
That's how they act, that's the kind of lax regulation you'd expect from the inside.
Zero accountability

 

[Kfox]

The "good" ones enable through silence.

How do you know this? Again; you're judging them all based on the actions of a few

 

[Kfox]

Well, that shows complete unawareness of the
vast number of cops who blatantly arrest, beat,
arrest, & kill innocent people while other cops
fail to stop such illegal acts, & even help cover
them up in dozens of posts in each of dozens
of threads on the topic.

Of the hundreds of thousands of cops in the US, you are claiming the vast majority are involved in such a cover up? Is this just your personal opinion? Or do you actually have some evidence to back this up.

 

[Kfox]

You might find this interesting. It addresses how US cops
are trained to be fearful warriors rather than our guardians.

Law Enforcement's "Warrior" Problem | Harvard Law

Within law enforcement, few things are more venerated than the concept of the Warrior. Officers are trained to cultivate a “warrior mindset,” the virtues of which are extolled in books,

harvardlawreview.org

Does having the warrior mindset mean they will automatically break the law and do illegal stuff as you are suggesting?

 

[Revoltingest]

Of the hundreds of thousands of cops in the US, you are claiming the vast majority are involved in such a cover up?

Yes.
Nearly every case of a cop acting in an illegal
manner is supported by all other cops present.
Support ranges from ignoring the wrongful act
to turning off body cams to to joining in to
even committing perjury in their reports.
This means that all present are bad cops.
Examples of 1 good cop stopping a bad cop
are extremely rare. The high ratio of bad/good
cops in hundreds of examples is statistically
significant.

Or do you actually have some evidence to back this up.

Consider the many cases in the many threads.
You've been a member long enuf to have seen
them. But if you haven't, then you can search
for titles with "cops".

 

[Revoltingest]

Does having the warrior mindset mean they will automatically break the law and do illegal stuff as you are suggesting?

"Automatically" does not apply.
But the warrior mindset with a view that civilians
are all dangerous increases the odds that a
fearful cop will over-react with deadly consequences.
And some even treat civilians as prey to hunt.
Example...

 

[Pete in Panama]

"Automatically" does not apply.
But the warrior mindset with a view that civilians
are all dangerous increases the odds that a
fearful cop will over-react with deadly consequences.
And some even treat civilians as prey to hunt.
Example...

It's time to get a grip here. First, this is a religious forum so we need to understand that police malpractice is not exactly a "religious" topic. Secondly, let's remember that there are about a million police officers in the U.S., one for about every 400 people. Next, lets understand that grouping and maintaining order among ourselves is what humans do. iow it's normal and healthy.

If you find instances of one or two bad cops and say that we got dozens running around, then even 100 out of a million is a tenth of a percent. 99.9% of cops being good cops is pretty damn good imho. This also fits w/ my belief that people are good. If you on the other hand hold humanity in contempt then there's not much we can talk about.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's time to get a grip here. First, this is a religious forum so we need to understand that police malpractice is not exactly a "religious" topic.

Getting a grip should mean knowing
first which forum you're posting in.
I'll wait while you scroll above to see.

<time elapses>

Now that you understand what this
forum is all about, you may try again.
But first read post# 11 carefully, so
that you'll understand why I claim so
many bad cops.

 

[Kfox]

Yes.
Nearly every case of a cop acting in an illegal
manner is supported by all other cops present.
Support ranges from ignoring the wrongful act
to turning off body cams to to joining in to
even committing perjury in their reports.
This means that all present are bad cops.
Examples of 1 good cop stopping a bad cop
are extremely rare. The high ratio of bad/good
cops in hundreds of examples is statistically
significant.


Consider the many cases in the many threads.
You've been a member long enuf to have seen
them. But if you haven't, then you can search
for titles with "cops".

Let’s do a little math. Let’s say of all the million or so Cops in the country, 5% are crooked to the point of willing to commit crimes against civilians. Then there are another 5% who are not crooked enough to commit the crimes, but are crooked enough to help cover-up when another cop commits a crime. The only time the first 5% are gonna be willing to commit their crimes is when they are in the company of the second 5% who will help cover it up, agree? They will act completely within the law when they are around a cop they know will report them and get them sent to jail; does this make sense? That would mean only 10% are crooked, the other 90% are good. But the only cops you hear about from the media, or the countless threads you read about are the 10% that are crooked, you will never hear about the 90% who are honest; agree? If you disagree, tell me where you think I’ve gone wrong.

 

[Pete in Panama]

Getting a grip should mean knowing
first which forum you're posting in.
I'll wait while you scroll above to see.

<time elapses>

Now that you understand what this
forum is all about, you may try again.
But first read post# 11 carefully, so
that you'll understand why I claim so
many bad cops.

This is a bit hard to follow. So we're saying that you consider police malpractice to be a religious issue?

 

[Soandso]

I don't trust em. There's definitely a certain kind of person that seeks to wield authority over others, and the American police force is definitely structured to enable the worst of those with little in the way of checks and balances. There's good cops, but there's also nothing much to dissuade bad behavior from bad cops

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you look at a video of a few cops doing bad, and judge all cops based on the behavior of the few in this video? Do you consider this fair? Do you judge all people of a group based on the actions of a few within that group?

As widespread and common as the behavior is, very fair.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think they tend to perceive themselves to be at war with the public

They do actually believe that. To quote a sheriff of itty-bitty Winimac, Indiana, who got a military, armored troop transport vehicle suitable and intended for the frontlines of war, because "America is a warzone."

 

[Revoltingest]

Let’s do a little math. Let’s say of all the million or so Cops in the country, 5% are crooked to the point of willing to commit crimes against civilians. Then there are another 5% who are not crooked enough to commit the crimes, but are crooked enough to help cover-up when another cop commits a crime. The only time the first 5% are gonna be willing to commit their crimes is when they are in the company of the second 5% who will help cover it up, agree?

I can accept your premises for the sake of
your hypothetical, but not agree with them.

They will act completely within the law when they are around a cop they know will report them and get them sent to jail; does this make sense? That would mean only 10% are crooked, the other 90% are good. But the only cops you hear about from the media, or the countless threads you read about are the 10% that are crooked, you will never hear about the 90% who are honest; agree? If you disagree, tell me where you think I’ve gone wrong.

Your error is assuming that only 5% of
cops would go along with illegality.
If you sample instances of wrongdoing
by cops, the percentage that go along
appears to be over 90%.
Moreover, when a good cop stops a
bad cop in the act, the response by the
bad cop & other cops is often retaliation.
There is systemic reinforcement of bad acts.