How Jesus Fulfills the Law and How Jesus Does Not

[Brickjectivity]

Well if Jews do not object to particular bloodlines..
As you say..
Then the Samaritan woman must have lied telling Jesus Christ that the Jews have no.dealing with the Samaritans..

Disagree. Then the Samaritan woman must have told Jesus the truth that the Jews have no dealing with the Samaritans. The reason, however, must be interesting. Why not ask in the Judaism Dir what the reason is? There are Samaritans to this very day, so the dispute is current. Ask if its about bloodlines and genetics or not. Be brave. If they say its about genetics or blood then I'll be embarrassed.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Disagree. Then the Samaritan woman must have told Jesus the truth that the Jews have no dealing with the Samaritans. The reason, however, must be interesting. Why not ask in the Judaism Dir what the reason is? There are Samaritans to this very day, so the dispute is current. Ask if its about bloodlines and genetics or not. Be brave. If they say its about genetics or blood then I'll be embarrassed.

As to why do I need to ask a man?
When in fact I have The Lord Jesus Christ Word to go by..
Are you saying that a man's word stands about The Lord Jesus Christ words.
There's your problem you listen to mans teachings and doctrines.
The Lord Jesus Christ condemns man's teachings and doctrines in
Matthew 15:7-9,
7--"You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

There you have the Lord Jesus Christ himself condemning man's teachings and doctrines which your following...



I find it totally amazing how the things that the Lord Jesus Christ condemns and is against Christians will follow...Thereby Christians going directly against The Lord Jesus Christ.

and the things that the Lord Jesus Christ said to keep... Christians go against...

Luke 6:46--"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

 

[Brickjectivity]

As to why do I need to ask a man?
When in fact I have The Lord Jesus Christ Word to go by..
Are you saying that a man's word stands about The Lord Jesus Christ words.
There's your problem you listen to mans teachings and doctrines.
The Lord Jesus Christ condemns man's teachings and doctrines in
Matthew 15:7-9,
7--"You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

There you have the Lord Jesus Christ himself condemning man's teachings and doctrines which your following...



I find it totally amazing how the things that the Lord Jesus Christ condemns and is against Christians will follow...Thereby Christians going directly against The Lord Jesus Christ.

and the things that the Lord Jesus Christ said to keep... Christians go against...

Luke 6:46--"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Oh now that's just mean.

 

[Neuropteron]

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Hi, Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity:It is a renewed covenant technically speaking

Heb 9:15"...new covenant...(replacing)...former covenant...
" Matt 9:17 "nobody sews a patch of unshrunk cloth upon an old outer garment; for its full strength would pull... and tear..."
The covenant made with Christ as the mediator is new not renewed or refurbished.

Brickjectivity: "...but that the LORD will always bring them back."

Hosea 4:1-6 "Hear the word of Jehovah you sons of Israel, ...because you have rejected ...I shall reject you from serving as a priest to me because you are forgetting the law of your God..."

Brickjectivity:at least some of them...
The plan from Moses in the book Exodus that they will be an entire nation of kings and priests.

Yes, some individually might be chosen, but not as a nation because they have been rejected.
No amount of rationalization will change that that is what the scripture says. The fact that they colluded to murder God's son was, colloquially speaking, the last straw.

Brickjectivity:Christians also are attempting this in our own way.

It they are they are making two mistakes. Firstly God require things to be done His way. Secondly He decides who is chosen.

Brickjectivity:the end of the practice of the law for Jews. I still don't see how that can be the case, because the promises are ironclad. We'd have to unwrite them.

Just like any covenant both parties have to abide by what is agreed upon. The Nation of Israel has repeatedly broken it's part of the covenant, thus God has the right to cancel it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Brickjectivity:It is a renewed covenant technically speaking

Heb 9:15"...new covenant...(replacing)...former covenant...
" Matt 9:17 "nobody sews a patch of unshrunk cloth upon an old outer garment; for its full strength would pull... and tear..."
The covenant made with Christ as the mediator is new not renewed or refurbished.

That's good Neuropteron. I notice that Hebrews 9:15 does not actually use the term replace just the term 'New' so I'd have to think more about that.

At any rate I need to take time to examine the book pearl was quoting from which took me by surprise. It covers this subject among others and uses unusual turns of phrase, probably translated from another language. Its going to take a lot of effort for me. I need to go through that.

Brickjectivity: "...but that the LORD will always bring them back."

Hosea 4:1-6 "Hear the word of Jehovah you sons of Israel, ...because you have rejected ...I shall reject you from serving as a priest to me because you are forgetting the law of your God..."

I follow what you're saying, but this passage begins with the phrase "You Israelites who live in the land..." They are exiled from the land, and then once again after 70 years some are returned to rebuild the temple and start serving again.

[Deu 30:3-4 NIV] 3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. 4 Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back.​

I think the above illustrates the problem with saying that law has been abolished. It might be temporarily suspended.

[Deu 31:29 NIV] 29 For I know that after my death you are sure to become utterly corrupt and to turn from the way I have commanded you. In days to come, disaster will fall on you because you will do evil in the sight of the LORD and arouse his anger by what your hands have made."​

And then one or two generations later they would return. To this day there are still Jews, one of the oldest surviving groups from that time thousands of years ago. If the law ends then they have been keeping it for a long time for something that has ended.

Brickjectivity:at least some of them...
The plan from Moses in the book Exodus that they will be an entire nation of kings and priests.

Yes, some individually might be chosen, but not as a nation because they have been rejected.
No amount of rationalization will change that that is what the scripture says. The fact that they colluded to murder God's son was, colloquially speaking, the last straw.

Children are not held responsible for what parents do. One generation may be the one that brings trouble, and another may be that which returns to doing the law. Maybe it sounds to you terrible and like they were murderous, but if so it was one generation.

Brickjectivity:Christians also are attempting this in our own way.

It they are they are making two mistakes. Firstly God require things to be done His way. Secondly He decides who is chosen.

God requires things done his way, but we often cannot meet the challenge. God is not like humans. We tend to have a 'Last straw' whereas God would have us forgive endlessly.

Brickjectivity:the end of the practice of the law for Jews. I still don't see how that can be the case, because the promises are ironclad. We'd have to unwrite them.

Just like any covenant both parties have to abide by what is agreed upon. The Nation of Israel has repeatedly broken it's part of the covenant, thus God has the right to cancel it.

The difference according to Deuteronomy is that this covenant with the Jews is promised to be renewed with succeeding generations even if current ones break it. This is why I think that a renewed and expanded covenant is more in keeping with the scene than an abolished and replaced one.

That being said, I have to say I'm still learning; so I'm not saying that I'm someone to follow on this. I do not think that the law (of Moses) can be abolished. It is like a monument. I think that the law for the gentiles can and can be replaced with spiritual living.

 

[Neuropteron]

That's good Neuropteron. I notice that Hebrews 9:15 does not actually use the term replace just the term 'New' so I'd have to think more about that.

At any rate I need to take time to examine the book pearl was quoting from which took me by surprise. It covers this subject among others and uses unusual turns of phrase, probably translated from another language. Its going to take a lot of effort for me. I need to go through that.


I follow what you're saying, but this passage begins with the phrase "You Israelites who live in the land..." They are exiled from the land, and then once again after 70 years some are returned to rebuild the temple and start serving again.

[Deu 30:3-4 NIV] 3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. 4 Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back.​

I think the above illustrates the problem with saying that law has been abolished. It might be temporarily suspended.

[Deu 31:29 NIV] 29 For I know that after my death you are sure to become utterly corrupt and to turn from the way I have commanded you. In days to come, disaster will fall on you because you will do evil in the sight of the LORD and arouse his anger by what your hands have made."​

And then one or two generations later they would return. To this day there are still Jews, one of the oldest surviving groups from that time thousands of years ago. If the law ends then they have been keeping it for a long time for something that has ended.


Children are not held responsible for what parents do. One generation may be the one that brings trouble, and another may be that which returns to doing the law. Maybe it sounds to you terrible and like they were murderous, but if so it was one generation.


God requires things done his way, but we often cannot meet the challenge. God is not like humans. We tend to have a 'Last straw' whereas God would have us forgive endlessly.


The difference according to Deuteronomy is that this covenant with the Jews is promised to be renewed with succeeding generations even if current ones break it. This is why I think that a renewed and expanded covenant is more in keeping with the scene than an abolished and replaced one.

That being said, I have to say I'm still learning; so I'm not saying that I'm someone to follow on this. I do not think that the law (of Moses) can be abolished. It is like a monument. I think that the law for the gentiles can and can be replaced with spiritual living.

Hi,
"may the peace of God that excels all thought..guard your heart and your mental powers..." Phil 4:7

 

[Brickjectivity]

Hi,
"may the peace of God that excels all thought..guard your heart and your mental powers..." Phil 4:7

In that verse he makes the argument that if these people do such & such that then they won't have to worry about accidentally doing evil. It is I think not about keeping evil out of your heart so much as protecting the world (and yourself) from the evil in the heart.

This term 'Heart' is what we term 'Mind'. There is an ancient lesson that teaches to keep the heart in a pen -- to guard it, to keep it from escaping.

[Pro 4:23-27 NIV] 23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it. 24 Keep your mouth free of perversity; keep corrupt talk far from your lips. 25 Let your eyes look straight ahead; fix your gaze directly before you. 26 Give careful thought to the paths for your feet and be steadfast in all your ways. 27 Do not turn to the right or the left; keep your foot from evil.​

It is another way of saying not to speak without thinking, to stay focused on what is the next good thing to do, to keep control of your feet and not to be persuaded by distractions. The human body oozes with fluids that require washing, and the heart oozes with filth of another kind.

"Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near...And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." Phil 4:5..7 So here we have a scripture not about protecting hearts from influences but preventing them from doing evil.