How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden?

[Link]

This does not appear to have anything to do with the topic.

According to hadiths, it's 12 days in paradise, since 13th day Adam (a) repented, and 13, 14, 15 of each month are said to be loved by God to fast because of this, since God completely purified him in those three days. The philosophy then is if we start a month bad sin wise, we can purify mid way, and then continue the month good. I'm not sure.

Again, I can't be sure but just what narrations say. I haven't verified the truth and realities of these hadiths.

To know and be sure, is how I explained to you in previous post.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A speaker is going to my mother's.church in mid September to speak on this topic. We were puzzling over breakfast 1).on what basis
could anyone know and 2) why does it matter?

Any thoughts?

On 2): the longer it took for God's creation to go pear-shaped, the more competent God was as a creator, so the question has implications for the greatness of God.

... though if it's any finite length of time, the implication is that God is less than maximally great.

 

[ppp]

On 2): the longer it took for God's creation to go pear-shaped, the more competent God was as a creator, so the question has implications for the greatness of God.

... though if it's any finite length of time, the implication is that God is less than maximally great.

I've been thinking about it, and given human nature (the nature that God supposedly designed us to have), I would give it 4 days. 3 days to get past the Oooo-Shiny newness. One morning to get bored, then an apple for lunch.

I would bet that they were on their third apple by the time the serpent arrived.

 

[Brian2]

That could very well be in mythological years.

You mean something like dog years?

The Ultimate Hayflick Limit is when all of the cells created in the human body before birth (and all of the cells these cells produce) are multiplied by the average time it takes for cells to reach the end of their lives, you get roughly 120 years. This is the ultimate Hayflick limit -- the maximum number of years that a human can possibly live. What's strange is that the Biblical book of Genesis (6:3) explicitly states that humankind's days "shall be one hundred years and twenty" (Source. Craner, Guy God's Limit on Mans Years (xwalk.ca)).,It's worth mentioning, though, that this life span is later amended in Psalms 90:10, which says we can live to age 70; 80 years at the most [source: Bible Gateway].

Cramer, Guy. "God's limit on man's years." Trinity Consulting. 1998. God's Limit on Mans Years (xwalk.ca)

BibleGateway. "Psalm 90:10 (King James Version)." Accessed April 14, 2009. Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 90:10 - King James Version

If there is a natural limit to the average life then it appears that after the flood God make changes in humans and shortened that to 120 years as the article says.

 

[Vinayaka]

Long enough

Too long for some, apparently.

 

[Suave]

You mean something like dog years?

If there is a natural limit to the average life then it appears that after the flood God make changes in humans and shortened that to 120 years as the article says.

There is zero scientific evidence of anybody's lifespan exceeding the Hayflick limit of ca. 120 years. Please keep in mind ancient creation tales tend to overexaggerate their tribal Patriarchs' lifespans.

Longevity myths - Wikipedia

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There is zero scientific evidence of anybody's lifespan exceeding the Hayflick limit of ca. 120 years. Please keep in mind ancient creation tales tend to overexaggerate their tribal Patriarchs' lifespans.

Longevity myths - Wikipedia

Please keep in mind that the Adam and Eve story is replete with magic poofing, so plot points that disagree with current science can all be hand-waved away with magic poofing.

 

[ppp]

Please keep in mind that the Adam and Eve story is replete with magic poofing, so plot points that disagree with current science can all be hand-waved away with magic poofing.

The other night I went down to my neighborhood restaurant and sat at the bar., and got into a "conversation" there with a guy who had opinions about all sorts of things. Mostly political. One of the things that he went on about was the vaccine. He could not grasp how I was not getting my information from some news service, but was (and am) reading the journal articles coming out of epidemiology labs around the world. That I was not investing all my trust in one source. That I did not hold an opinion based on party alignment and allegiance to a leader. He was completely bemused.

The entire time, I was remembering your sig line, and marveling at how universally appropriate it is.

"I did my own research!"

 

[Suave]

Please keep in mind that the Adam and Eve story is replete with magic poofing, so plot points that disagree with current science can all be hand-waved away with magic poofing.

An individual's age at death can often be determined by examining the individual's skeleton's teeth and bones, and by understanding the rate of change for how these structures develop within the bodies of our ancestors.

The oldest age-at-death for the specimens of Homo-habilis studied is circa. 25 years.

Anthropologie – International Journal of Human Diversity and Evolution Palaeodemo graphy and Dental Microwear of Homo habilis fr om East Africa •Martínez Martínez, Laura Galbany, Jordi Pérez-Pérez, Alejandro (2004) PALEODEMOGRAPHY AND DENTAL MICROWEAR OF HOMO HABILIS FROM EAST AFRICA on JSTOR

Based on the dental microwear texture analysis of 26 aged Homo habilis from East Africa, I respectfully disagree with the notion of there being some individuals from the earliest generation of homo-genus species who lived beyond some few dozen years of age.

 

[rational experiences]

If you ask just a humans science question.

When we live observe yet also own any human experience. Now. Not before. And no future is guaranteed.

120 years is about length our human small percentage fittest genetic survival.

40 years removed average age is now 80. By population adult parent status.

If you ask how long were a healthy family human living with a healthy nature garden. Their origin.

By human year to human count. Keep records.

Is to ask so when did the human above heavens fallout burning gases ignite combust bushes of the wood tree?

How many years lived before the attack?

For human experienced genetic mutation?

Oh maybe 900 years removed said men of a Future mass that shouldn't be gone.

Another says I think science was practiced so about 300 years living before life in biology started dying out.

Inside a satanic nuclear atmospheric cause. By men. Who introduced a sun history new sin hole. Sink hole opens.

Today it's been less than 100 years of science nuclear for the same sin hole emergence.

So it's worse than human past causes. As the atmospheric body mass returned hadn't yet returned.

Seeing the amount of genetic parent body mutations nearly owns total body cell eradication of the origin human parent biology.

If you did a summarisation of mutant expressed human cell types.

All it takes is for loss of another water ground mass and oxygen supply and we will instantly be bio eradicated.

Instant freeze can be involved in that event also. The warning.

 

[Suave]

If you ask just a humans science question.

When we live observe yet also own any human experience. Now. Not before. And no future is guaranteed.

120 years is about length our human small percentage fittest genetic survival.

40 years removed average age is now 80. By population adult parent status.

If you ask how long were a healthy family human living with a healthy nature garden. Their origin.

By human year to human count. Keep records.

Is to ask so when did the human above heavens fallout burning gases ignite combust bushes of the wood tree?

How many years lived before the attack?

For human experienced genetic mutation?

Oh maybe 900 years removed said men of a Future mass that shouldn't be gone.

Another says I think science was practiced so about 300 years living before life in biology started dying out.

Inside a satanic nuclear atmospheric cause. By men. Who introduced a sun history new sin hole. Sink hole opens.

Today it's been less than 100 years of science nuclear for the same sin hole emergence.

So it's worse than human past causes. As the atmospheric body mass returned hadn't yet returned.

Seeing the amount of genetic parent body mutations nearly owns total body cell eradication of the origin human parent biology.

If you did a summarisation of mutant expressed human cell types.

All it takes is for loss of another water ground mass and oxygen supply and we will instantly be bio eradicated.

Instant freeze can be involved in that event also. The warning.

"I'm waking up to ash and dust
I wipe my brow and sweat and my rust
I'm breathing in the chemicals
I'm breaking in and shaping up
Then checking out on the prison bus
This is it, the apocalypse, woah
I'm waking up, I feel it in my bones
Enough to make my system blow
Welcome to the new age, to the new age
Welcome to the new age, to the new age
Woah... I'm radioactive, radioactive
Woah... I'm radioactive, radioactive
I raise my flag, dye my clothes
It's a revolution I suppose
We're painted red to fit right in, woah
I'm breaking in and shaping up
Then checking out on the prison bus
This is it, the apocalypse, woah
I'm waking up, I feel it in my bones
Enough to make my system blow
Welcome to the new age, to the new age
Welcome to the new age, to the new age
Woah... I'm radioactive, radioactive
Woah... I'm radioactive, radioactive
All systems go, the sun hasn't died
Deep in my bones, straight from inside
I'm waking up, I feel it in my bones
Enough to make my system blow
Welcome to the new age, to the new age
Welcome to the new age, to the new age
Woah... I'm radioactive, radioactive
Woah... I'm radioactive, radioactive"

- Radioactive, Imagine Dragons (2012)

 

[rational experiences]

It might be why scientists today think looking back that energy owns genetics. When looking back into the past of mutated bodies and bones.

And they were wrong.

Science said flooding saved life. As a theist you're meant to talk and think like a theist had. I never did. I thought like a healer til I was brain prickled.

It was relevant to the Status when one is removed the greatest highest all. Next that can save you is flooding. Yet you are close to extinction.

As ice saved our biology type by mass presence.

Yet family dying mutated in the flooding wasn't saved. Is stated.

Sink holes big holes just filled up with water. How earths sin was saved. Human babies Inherited sin of hurt biology by sex was a humans teaching.

It's why men said no man is God and meant it.

 

[ppp]

Based on the dental microwear texture analysis of 26 aged Homo habilis from East Africa, I respectfully disagree with the notion of there being some individuals from the earliest generation of homo-genus species who lived beyond some few dozen years of age.

That is such a weird thing to hang one's hat on. The average age for humans is 72.6. So 10,000 years from now that will be the most likely oldest specimen to find. Is it reasonable to conclude that no one lived past 73?

 

[Watchmen]

It was a Thursday.

Indeed.

 

[Sedim Haba]

I figured everybody is descended from Y-Chromosomal Adam. There is zero scientific evidence of anybody's lifespan exceeding the Hayflick limit of ca. 120 years. Please keep in mind ancient creation tales tend to overexaggerate their tribal Patriarchs' lifespans

Well, consider that Adam was basically genetically engineered by a supreme being,
that used methods we undoubtedly can't even comprehend. The humans that evolution
built were basically just prototypes, an alpha build if you will. Of course, when they were
kicked out of the garden they interbred with those same prototypes and I doubt any
trace of that perfect build exists in the genome now after so many generations.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Based on personal experience my wife and I are in the Garden until the footy starts, at which time I bail.
I'll get a bit of 'Hey, the weedings not finished', and respond with some pithy philosophical take like 'Is anything ever finished?'

At which point a set of pruning shears are piffed in my general direction.

 

[rational experiences]

Considering humans aren't the first anything on earth should put you in youre not alpha place.

Only thought you were egotist humans.

 

[Altfish]

You are off by two days a 7 hours.

Oh, I'd better check my calculations

 

[Glaurung]

My mother used to have an an old Douay-Rheims Bible that included a chronology giving estimated dates for all the important events of the Biblical narrative. If I recall correctly it began with creation dated to just before 4000BC and continued all the way to the resurrection at about 33AD. I no longer have access to that book (mum gave it away to someone) so I can't refence it now but if it didn't specifically date the expulsion from the garden (it may have, I can't remember) you could still use its dates for other events in Genesis to work out a rough answer.

 

[joelr]

A speaker is going to my mother's.church in mid September to speak on this topic. We were puzzling over breakfast 1).on what basis
could anyone know and 2) why does it matter?

Any thoughts?

Give some history and context/meaning to these myths:


ANCIENT INFLUENCE
Employing symbols and metaphors in ancient literature was very common; they contain rhetorical elements in order to persuade readers to accept what has been transmitted. In other words, ancient literature is not aimless. Works provide full expression of something or things. Myths concerning the residence of a god(s) in the ancient Near East are usually in gardens, according to the earliest discovered literature attributed to the Sumerians. In the book of Genesis, instead of God residing in the garden in Eden, God places Adam and Eve in it. This suffices to inform readers the re-adaptation of the garden concept by the narrator of Genesis, which is easily left out by interpreters.

The most celebrated discovered account concerning the garden as a luxuriant place and where gods reside is found in a Sumerian literature called “Enki and Ninhursag”:

The land Dilmun is pure, the land Dilmun is clean;

The land Dilmun is clean, the land Dilmun is most bright…

In Dilmun, the raven utters no cries…

The lion kills not, the wolf snatches not the lamb,

Unknown is the kid-devouring wild-dog…

Its old woman (says) not “I am an old woman,”

Its old man (says) not “I am an old man.”

(in Pritchard, 38)

The Sumerians are considered a highly gifted non-Semitic people of unknown origin who settled in the lower Tigris-Euphrates Valley around the 4th millennium BCE. From the brief description of the idyllic island of Dilmun, it is apparently similar to Christianity's concept of paradise where life never ends. The island or land is described as a “pure,” “clean,” and “bright” and where there is no old age. According to Sumerian literature, this island/land was brought up from earth by the sun-god Utu and turned into a veritable garden of the gods. Apparently, from the garden (Dilmun) in Sumerian myth, it was a place created by god(s) for gods."
Garden of Eden




"
According to the Genesis story of the creation and fall of man, out of Eden, east of Israel rivers flowed to the four corners of the world. Similar stories in Sumerian records indicate that an earthly paradise theme belonged to the mythology of the ancient Middle East.


The story of the Garden of Eden is a theological use of mythological themes to explain human progression from a state of innocence and bliss to the present human condition of knowledge of sin, misery, and death."
Garden of Eden | Story, Meaning, & Facts