How Long Will the AHCA Survive without an Individual Mandate?

[Underhill]

Some.
Certainly.

Clinton did sign NAFTA. Hillary did vote for the Iraq invasion. Obama instituted RomneyCare.
Etc etc.

The main difference between the Republicans and Democrats is the lies they tell before getting elected. After that, they're not easily distinguished. I prefer the lies Democrats tell, and I think that they do a better job for the 99%. But it isn't all that different.
Tom

I think the differences may be at the margins. But those differences matter. While a small budget item, how they treat the environment and the epa is definitely different.

On something like healthcare, I suspect (and recent history bears this out) Republicans wouldn't have any interest in providing anything except that they cannot be seen as the party that simply abandoned those in need of healthcare. I am actually surprised they are doing much of anything about Obamacare. I thought they would make some minor effort, give up and blame it on the dems. Giving them an issue every election cycle for the foreseeable future. But they've surprised me. Now they will own whatever they do. I doubt it will be a feather in their cap in the eyes of the public.

 

[Nous]

The ACA is in a death spiral also.

It needed amending but the GOP wouldn't do that because...Obama...

What amendments should "the GOP" have agreed to in order to prevent the ACA's death spiral?

I was under the impression that from the get-go people had gotten insurance policies with deductibles so high that they couldn't afford to go to the doctor.

I think any health care system that operates by including the profits of insurance companies is going to be more expensive than a true public health care system.

 

[esmith]

. Until we acknowledge that health care is a right and not a privilege the more vulnerable among us need not apply.

Where do you get the idea that health care is a "right".
You do realize that the only "right" you have that can not be taken from you is the right-to-die don't you?

 

[pearl]

Where do you get the idea that health care is a "right".

Along with the right to shelter. food, clothing, education, work, etc.

 

[tytlyf]

Where do you get the idea that health care is a "right".
You do realize that the only "right" you have that can not be taken from you is the right-to-die don't you?

Always with the corporate apologist position. Do you run a corporation? That would make sense then.

 

[esmith]

Along with the right to shelter. food, clothing, education, work, etc.

You have your opinion and I have mine, and I disagree with yours.

 

[esmith]

Always with the corporate apologist position. Do you run a corporation? That would make sense then.

The only person I apologize for is myself and since I may not always be right, I'm never wrong; hence no apologizing necessary.

 

[tytlyf]

You have your opinion and I have mine, and I disagree with yours.

And most disagree with yours. At least you stopped posting fake news threads

 

[pearl]

You have your opinion and I have mine, and I disagree with yours.

Certainly, not everyone believes social justice has a place in government. The Kennedys certainly did.

 

[esmith]

And most disagree with yours. At least you stopped posting fake news threads

obviously you have mistaken me for someone who cares what you think.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The irony is that the ACA is essentially a republican plan from the 90's. Everything, right down to the mandate, comes from the Republicans alternative plan to the Clinton attempts at national health care.

It shows Democrats can't even make any good health care system plan themselves to to even start with. Rummaging through the trash and all that...

Anyways it was a state plan from a RINO.

 

[Underhill]

It shows Democrats can't even make any good health care system plan themselves to to even start with. Rummaging through the trash and all that...

Anyways it was a state plan from a RINO.

No, it really wasn't. It was plan put together by Newt Gingrich and the anti Hillary crowd in the 90's.

Obama went this route because of the DINO's (blue dog democrats), most of whom lost their seats to Republicans the next election anyway. He didn't think (and was probably right) that a full on nationalized health care system could get through congress.

So he chose the moderate route but it didn't matter. Republicans stuck his name on it and claimed it was the worst thing since anthrax.

For them to cut cost while eliminating the mandate (the only thing that does anything to lower cost in Obamacare), the plan they come up with will have to be so watered down that it is likely to be a disaster.

 

[pearl]

the plan they come up with will have to be so watered down that it is likely to be a disaster.

It might be a disaster for women as many of the so called essentials may not be covered. Contraception may not be covered due the surge in religious freedom, We may have forgotten that artificial contraception was once illegal. Add to that the fact that so far there are no women on this 'working group' of senators, all male and all white.