How many Biblical mistakes did Bernie Sanders make in his public attack on John 3

[Subduction Zone]

Losing badly?
Perhaps that's your perception as an atheist.

Nope, the perception of a person that understands the law of the land. You got your rear end handed to you. By several posters all of them seeing that you made the same error.

 

[sooda]

Because he effectively pontificated about anyone believing it should not be allowed to work for the government or hold office last week.

If he actually studied it beforehand it would have been helpful but Bernie would be more like an Atheist/Postmodernist/Jewish person and unconcerned and doesn't have time for actually understanding it

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

What was Bernie criticizing exactly?

 

[sooda]

Because he effectively pontificated about anyone believing it should not be allowed to work for the government or hold office last week.

If he actually studied it beforehand it would have been helpful but Bernie would be more like an Atheist/Postmodernist/Jewish person and unconcerned and doesn't have time for actually understanding it

Why is John 3:16-18 part of any discussion? It basically condemns non Christians.

I must be missing something here.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Bernie is Jewish .. Why would he study John 3:16?

He might want to understand something before he attacks it?
If someone is Biblically ignorant but insists on attacking those views it suggests being Biblically illiterate.

 

[Father Heathen]

Because he effectively pontificated about anyone believing it should not be allowed to work for the government or hold office last week.

If he actually studied it beforehand it would have been helpful but Bernie would be more like an Atheist/Postmodernist/Jewish person and unconcerned and doesn't have time for actually understanding it

If your religious beliefs prevent you from doing your job properly then it should be a concern.

 

[sooda]

He might want to understand something before he attacks it?
If someone is Biblically ignorant but insists on attacking those views it suggests being Biblically illiterate.

Do you think that public office is the proper place for John 3?

Why would it come up at all?

 

[whirlingmerc]

If your religious beliefs prevent you from doing your job properly then it should be a concern.

Believing John 3:16 doesn't keep one from doing tier job.
Thinking so suggests Biblical illiteracy on Bernie's part

 

[Subduction Zone]

Believing John 3:16 doesn't keep one from doing tier job.
Thinking so suggests Biblical illiteracy on Bernie's part

When did Bernie ever say this? You are forgetting the lessons from the threads where you had your back side paddled.

 

[columbus]

I'd guess they are probably no more or less prone to lying than anyone else claiming a religion or not.

But they do have an extra reason for doing so.
Protecting their egos by demanding special rights for their religious compadres.
Tom

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I see quite a few erroneous understandings of Bernie on his venting against John 3 recently. Do you see any others"

1) God loved the world so much that He gave his only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. in John 3:16 Jesus goes on to explain all would perish being condemned but mercy shown to those who believe. All are condemned not some as Bernie claimed. There is no distinction "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' All not merely Muslims. All is all mankind.

2) God offers mercy to all. The blessing goes to people of every tribe and lounge and nation. The soccer and call goes to all and every person.

3) The motive is love in the chapter not hate as Bernie asserts.

4) The offer of reconciliation is offered to all and there is a double blessing. The riches of the righteousness of God given and the sins of those who believed taken. Which is a redistribution of real righteousness wealth on an eternal scale.

5) It was Jesus explanation of his statement ion John 3:16 fleshed out in the following verses Bernie didn't like. Not an idea of Whenton College or a Trump appointee

6) Martin Luther King would agree with the more classical Christian view of John 3 on that matter and not consider Jesus words hateful, rather words extending love and reconciliation.
reconciliation

7) Jesus saying this said his intentions were not to judge the world as the judgement is loving the darkness instead of the light.


Isn't it sad that the whole squad of AOC et al endorse Bernies shenanigans saying effectively anyone believing and acting on John 3:16 is unfit for office or appointment to government?

The hearing that has you so worked up happened in June 2017. Have you just been building up your rage for 2+ years?

 

[whirlingmerc]

The hearing that has you so worked up happened in June 2017. Have you just been building up your rage for 2+ years?

Nope just saw it this week. It was enlightening to see how 'Chrstian O Phobic' Sanders really is claiming effectively that anyone believing and acting on John 3:16 should not hold office or a government position is scary and poor judgement on Bernies part.

That was his position then. Did he issue an apology? no

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope just saw it this week. It was enlightening to see how 'Chrstian O Phobic' Sanders really is claiming effectively that anyone believing and acting on John 3:16 should not hold office or a government position is scary and poor judgement on Bernies part.

That was his position then. Did he issue an apology? no

It is not the believing. It is the acting. Remember the example of the hypothetical attack on a wiccan shop.

And you have failed to show any phobia from Sanders. That means that you almost certainly broke the Ninth Commandment.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nope just saw it this week.

Ah. What happened for it to come up now?

It was enlightening to see how 'Chrstian O Phobic' Sanders really is claiming effectively that anyone believing and acting on John 3:16 should not hold office or a government position is scary and poor judgement on Bernies part.

That was his position then. Did he issue an apology? no

He didn't need to.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Ah. What happened for it to come up now?


He didn't need to.

It was appalling to see Bernie Sanders claim someone who articulated the same thing Jesus taught in John 3 would be unfit for office. Had I not seen Bernie Sanders doing it I would not have realized how disappointing a candidate he is.

5 Things Christians Should Know about the Faith of Bernie Sanders
"....Sanders grilled Russell Vought, Trump’s nominee for deputy White House budget director, calling him Islamophobic for an article he penned that discussed the central Christian tenet that the only pathway to salvation was through Jesus Christ. In the piece, Vought wrote, “Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned.”

“In my view, the statement made by Mr. Vought is ????indefensible???, it is hateful, it is Islamophobic, and it is an insult to over a billion Muslims throughout the world,” Sanders said at the confirmation hearing..."

Of course it is defendable and is a statement directly from Jesus and a belief of Christians for thousands of years.

Vought was exactly right, the central Christian tenet that the only pathway to salvation was through Jesus Christ.

Sanders was exactly wrong. The views of Jesus was not slamophobic (there was no Islam yet for 6 centuries when the statement was made) more hateful, that is the classic Christian position which appallingly Sanders claims anyone effectively believing it should not be in office or appointed to work for the government

 

[Shad]

If your religious beliefs prevent you from doing your job properly then it should be a concern.

There was no demonstration he couldn't do the job. It was a smear to put forward he couldn't. No different if a GOP member questioned a Muslim about Sharia then claiming they are unfit for office as they place Sharia above the Constitution.

 

[Father Heathen]

There was no demonstration he couldn't do the job. It was a smear to put forward he couldn't. No different if a GOP member questioned a Muslim about Sharia then claiming they are unfit for office as they place Sharia above the Constitution.

They would be unfit if they did place Sharia above The Constitution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was appalling to see Bernie Sanders claim someone who articulated the same thing Jesus taught in John 3 would be unfit for office. Had I not seen Bernie Sanders doing it I would not have realized how disappointing a candidate he is.

5 Things Christians Should Know about the Faith of Bernie Sanders
"....Sanders grilled Russell Vought, Trump’s nominee for deputy White House budget director, calling him Islamophobic for an article he penned that discussed the central Christian tenet that the only pathway to salvation was through Jesus Christ. In the piece, Vought wrote, “Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned.”

“In my view, the statement made by Mr. Vought is ????indefensible???, it is hateful, it is Islamophobic, and it is an insult to over a billion Muslims throughout the world,” Sanders said at the confirmation hearing..."

Of course it is defendable and is a statement directly from Jesus and a belief of Christians for thousands of years.

Vought was exactly right, the central Christian tenet that the only pathway to salvation was through Jesus Christ.

Sanders was exactly wrong. The views of Jesus was not slamophobic (there was no Islam yet for 6 centuries when the statement was made) more hateful, that is the classic Christian position which appallingly Sanders claims anyone effectively believing it should not be in office or appointed to work for the government

If Vought actually did that you might have a point. But you know that is not the case. That is why you will not quote from Sanders. His grilling of Vought was proper. When you make claims and do not support them, especially after your opponent asks you multiple times to support your claims you support your opponent by default.

 

[whirlingmerc]

If Vought actually did that you might have a point. But you know that is not the case. That is why you will not quote from Sanders. His grilling of Vought was proper. When you make claims and do not support them, especially after your opponent asks you multiple times to support your claims you support your opponent by default.

Bernie Sander's grilling of Vought was a thinly veiled attack on the Christian faith
If Jesus or Paul were on the stand the result would be the same. Tried and crucified with the liberal media cheering him on.

What might Senator Sanders do with 2 Thes 1:6-9

 

[Shad]

They would be unfit if they did place Sharia above The Constitution.

No it wouldn't as a religious test is unconstitutional.

Q
"Sir/Madam. If Jesus returned tomorrow preaching the establishment of the Kingdom of God where would your loyalties lie? To the Constitution or Jesus?"

A
"Jesus"

Q
"It is clear that any oath you would swear to uphold the Constitution would be of the moment thus not an oath by any meaning of the word. You have divided loyalties by your own admission. More so you will abandon your oath for religious reasons. I see no reason to subject the public nor government to reviews and costs to ensure you and your decisions do not reflect religious whim and unproven beliefs that happen to float across your mind"