Sand Dancer
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Yahweh created and it was good. So he was wrong?
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Yahweh created and it was good. So he was wrong?
All of them. If I had political position, quality, lifestyle, belief, etc, which helped define me I wouldn't take it very loving for someone to say "I don't care." When I love someone I care about all of that and more, so I am unable to say "I don't care" concerning these things.
Wildswanderer
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It is as good until sin. Then nature was subject to corruption, including man.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Did he know about sin? If so, why would he say it could be good, if it could be tainted by sin?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
It was good when he created...He didn't say it could not be broken by sin.
Of course he knew. He knows everything.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
He's powerful. He can do anything; he could have us learn a lesson and try not to repeat bad behavior, but he would rather just condemn everyone to hell.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
You would prefer a God who forced you to learn and obey? A puppet master?
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
I would prefer one who doesn't give you an eternal, painful time out for just being human.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
It's not for being human. It's for rejecting his love.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Kind of like an abusive boyfriend.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
No, like a loving boyfriend. He won't force you to remain with him. Hell is just the absence of God.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Good to know you're not a fire and brimstone type of believer.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Imagine a place with no goodness or beauty, no friends or pleasure of any kind. That's a glimpse of existence without God.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So, he knowingly released a product he knew would be prone to error. Sort of like Ford's decision to release the Pinto anyways despite knowing of the increased risk of a fire from rear collisions.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I don't care if someone is a homosexual or straight. I support LGBT rights, and my support for these rights was one of the major contentions between myself and other conservatives when I was still a conservative.
I honestly can't say that, because there's too much water under the bridge where conservatives are concerned.
I can only say that if Christians don't try to coerce me, shame me, and use fear tactics in an attempt to convince me to have faith in God, and become a Christian again. As long as Christians live and let live, I won't have a problem with them.
If a person loves Trump, then there's an immediate red flag for me, and I most certainly do care.
I do care whether a person is vaccinated or not, but I don't push the issue. I think a person has the right to choose whether they want to be vaccinated for COVID-19 or not. Honestly, I do limit my exposure to unvaccinated people, but I never make an attempt to coerce them into getting vaccinated, or try to shame them and make them feel guilty about not being vaccinated.
My answer for this is exactly the same as it was for the "I don't care if you have faith or not" remark. Basically, I don't really care if someone else believes in God or not, as long as they don't try to shove their beliefs or lack of down my throat. Live and let live.
My answer for this is exactly the same as it was for the "I don't care if you are gay or straight" remark.
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Wildswanderer
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Well that's one way of looking at it. I don't see how free will can be real if the only choice had been to obey him, though.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Basically, yes. God knew beforehand that his creation would go down the toilet, and yet he went on with it. Not only that, but after he gets ticked off and destroys the world's population (except for Noah and his family) with a global flood, he starts it all up again.
You would think that he'd learn from his mistake after watching hundreds of years of mankind being thoroughly corrupted because he decided to curse all of humanity for Adam's sin. According to scripture, God is all knowing, all powerful, and ever present. IOW, humanity is merely a pawn in God's plan, as Satan was when he challenged God about Job. The poor devil never stood a chance.
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
More like a sadistic bloodthirsty tyrant who takes personal pleasure in causing total chaos, and then sitting back to watch all hell break loose, and doing absolutely nothing to stop it. Just think about it... God allowed the Holocaust, which an estimated 6 million of his own "chosen people," the Jews, were put into concentration camps, and gassed to death by Hitler and the Nazis.
If the Bible is true, and accurate, God created Adam and Eve knowing full well that they would be tempted, and they would fall into sin before he created them. Furthermore, he knew beforehand that he would curse all of humanity for Adam's sin. God ultimately condemned unbelieving human beings to an eternal hell if they refuse to accept salvation and redemption through his son. He also knew before he created Adam and Eve that he would destroy all of humanity (except for Noah and his family) in a global flood.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I've already imagined an existence without God, and I'm okay with it. However, I don't believe it is a place with no goodness or beauty, no friends or pleasure of any kind. "Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. No hell below us, above us only sky."