How many gentiles did Jesus convert to his religion?

[Bear Wild]

Why would He have them convert to Judaism? Read Acts chapter 15

Jesus Messiah fulfills the prophecies of Isaiah including being a Light to the gentiles.
See Luke 2:27-32

Because Jesus was Jewish and followed Jewish teachings and laws. Isaiah never mentioned a new religion.

 

[74x12]

Because Jesus was Jewish and followed Jewish teachings and laws. Isaiah never mentioned a new religion.

Yes Jesus was Jewish and followed the Law but because His death burial and resurrection He gave a new Covenant or Testament:

(Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20)

All this fulfilled the prophecies in Isaiah 52:13-15 and Isaiah 53. Which portrayed the Messiah as a sacrificial offering. A Lamb of God who would bear the sins of the people and "sprinkle many nations". This phrase to sprinkle many nations is very significant because Moses sprinkled the people and the book with blood when he made the first Covenant.

So Jesus sprinkling many "nations" a.k.a. goyim a.k.a. gentiles. Means that He is making a Covenant with them through His blood.

It's not to be considered a new religion. It's a new Covenant for both Jews and gentiles predicted by both Jeremiah (Jeremiah 31:31-34) and Isaiah. (Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 48:9)

 

[The Anointed]

Because Jesus was Jewish and followed Jewish teachings and laws. Isaiah never mentioned a new religion.

Where does Jewish teaching say that its followers should be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

Why did Jesus, or the new church of Jesus Christ, never bother to celebrate the Passover by killing and eating an unblemished one year old Lamb, as did the Jews?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Jesus didn't seek to convert Gentiles and insulted them (calling them "dogs"), as well. He had some non-Jewish believers such as the centurion and the Samaritan woman so I suppose he had a small following outside of the Jewish community.

 

[KingSolomon]

Did he tell them to wait until the passion was fulfilled. And wouldn't his message be to become Jewish since that was his religion? Your are quoting Isaiah not Jesus. Did Jesus say that he would be the light to the Gentiles. You need to be careful mixing passages.

So many Christians think that what Isaiah said is more important than what brother J said.

 

[KingSolomon]

Jesus came to show the "lost sheep" how to regain the pure worship they had lost thanks to the evil infiltration of human tradition, deliberate misinterpretation of scripture and open disobedience to God's commands.
[QUOTE/]

Sorry to be blunt but this sort of language shows the ignorance of Jewish religion begotten by Christian scriptures' fake news.
Brother, first bother to learn about Jews' religion before relying on misinformed anti-Jewish propaganda which constitutes a lot of the NT. The whole NT is a polemic against Judaism in an attempt to make Christianity better than the best religion of the time. I think that if the NT had anything realistic or meaningful to Jews, they would have accepted it along with its religion. The fact that Jews ignore the NT and brother J infuriates some Christians so they can only attribute that ignoring as willful diabolism. See? Jews don't reject brother J. They do worse. They IGNORE him

 

[Nakosis]

Jesus is the symbol for Christianity but despite reading the new and old testament's over and over again I can not find out how many gentiles he converted to his religion. The other question is would the religion Jesus would have converted them to have been the Jewish religion or to a new religion worshiping him?

Jesus said that he had only come for the lost sheep of Israel. His ideology seems more inline with the Essenes then the other beliefs in Judea at the time.

 

[Deeje]

Sorry to be blunt but this sort of language shows the ignorance of Jewish religion begotten by Christian scriptures' fake news.

So Jesus was just the promoter of "fake news"?

John the Baptist was obviously part of the conspiracy as well?

Talking of being blunt.....let's get to the truth of this....can we?

Couldn't it be that the Jewish leaders of the day were the ones spreading "fake news" about this man who was exposing their hypocrisy? They liked things the way they were and now firstly, here comes this prophet from the wilderness telling them that being "sons of Abraham" was nothing important compared to repentance and obedience to God's laws!? (Matthew 3:7-12) Then a short time later, another prophet appears who can perform miracles and is telling the people that their leaders are a bunch of wicked hypocrites! (Matthew 23:13-33)

Jesus came with impressive credentials, fulfilling the criteria that the scriptures laid out for him as Messiah. Like the prophet Moses, he came to liberate the ordinary Jewish people from an oppressive hierarchy that treated then like 'dirt'. And like Moses, he could perform miracles.

The Pharisees were mistakenly expecting a Jewish Messiah that would liberate their nation from Roman oppression, re-establish a strong and independent Jewish nation, and elevate their status as leaders of the people. They did not get what they wanted. The liberation that Jesus gave the lost sheep, was spiritual. No wonder they hated him.

Brother, first bother to learn about Jews' religion before relying on misinformed anti-Jewish propaganda which constitutes a lot of the NT. The whole NT is a polemic against Judaism in an attempt to make Christianity better than the best religion of the time.

Brother! (I'm not BTW) please understand the situation according to the Hebrew Scriptures alone. These disobedient, "stiff-necked people" (by their God's own description. Deuteronomy 9:13-14) were chosen to produce the promised Messiah within their own genealogical lines as a promise to Abraham. In the process, how many times over those centuries and generations did Israel rebel, causing their God to punish them? Their 40 year wandering in the wilderness was the result of their own disobedience and complaining spirit.

Their behavior through all that time until Messiah was due, justifies everything that Jesus said about them. This is the testimony of their own scripture.
As a nation, they tried God's patience again and again, with an attitude that is still displayed to this day...."we are sons of Abraham, so God will just keep forgiving us".....both Jesus and the one who came with Elijah's spirit condemned them for this attitude.

The terms of God's covenant with this nation depended on their obedience...something they could never give him. God kept his part of the covenant to produce the Messiah and their response was to do to him what they had done to all the other prophets that God sent to correct them. (Matthew 23:37-39) Why would God continue to tolerate them as his nation? What an appalling record they left! And this had nothing to do with the NT.

I think that if the NT had anything realistic or meaningful to Jews, they would have accepted it along with its religion.

Are you serious? Do you not have any idea why the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day rejected him outright just from reading the OT? Why they fought tooth and nail to silence him? It had been about 400 years since God had sent a prophet to correct his people, and this was God's last attempt to allow a foretold "remnant" of the Jewish nation to respond to the correction of his last prophet.....the prophesied "prophet like Moses".

Jesus was not sent to the incorrigible Jewish leaders, but to the "lost sheep" who were "skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd".....these were the ones who responded to his teachings...he was kind and compassionate, forgiving and encouraging...not like the Pharisees' 'rigid, judgmental and condemning spirit. Jesus attracted the right hearts and led them out of that corrupt system.

The fact that Jews ignore the NT and brother J infuriates some Christians so they can only attribute that ignoring as willful diabolism. See? Jews don't reject brother J. They do worse. They IGNORE him

Why do you call Jesus, "brother J"?

Anyone familiar with Israel's history will understand completely why God wanted to wipe them off the face of the earth on occasion. (Deuteronomy 9:14) But he extended his patience because he at least valued the covenant he made with them. Once God had fulfilled his part of the agreement, after giving this nation first option to accept their Messiah, he 'abandoned' them, as Jesus said. (Matthew 23:37-39) The door was never closed to them as individuals, but as a nation they would never be his people again.

As the "fine shepherd" Jesus led the "lost sheep" to new pasturage, where they could grow and prosper spiritually. Gentiles were then added to the flock.

But history repeats.....and Jesus foretold a similar thing to happen to Christianity....(Matthew 13:24-30; 36-43)

 

[KingSolomon]

Jesus said that he had only come for the lost sheep of Israel. His ideology seems more inline with the Essenes then the other beliefs in Judea at the time.

Just to let you know. The expression "old testament" is insulting to Jews
Brother J's ideology was more in line with the Zealots

 

[Bear Wild]

Where does Jewish teaching say that its followers should be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

Why did Jesus, or the new church of Jesus Christ, never bother to celebrate the Passover by killing and eating an unblemished one year old Lamb, as did the Jews?

How do you know Jesus did not celebrate the Passover as his fellow Jews did?

 

[Bear Wild]

So Jesus was just the promoter of "fake news"?

John the Baptist was obviously part of the conspiracy as well?

Talking of being blunt.....let's get to the truth of this....can we?

Couldn't it be that the Jewish leaders of the day were the ones spreading "fake news" about this man who was exposing their hypocrisy? They liked things the way they were and now firstly, here comes this prophet from the wilderness telling them that being "sons of Abraham" was nothing important compared to repentance and obedience to God's laws!? (Matthew 3:7-12) Then a short time later, another prophet appears who can perform miracles and is telling the people that their leaders are a bunch of wicked hypocrites! (Matthew 23:13-33)

Jesus came with impressive credentials, fulfilling the criteria that the scriptures laid out for him as Messiah. Like the prophet Moses, he came to liberate the ordinary Jewish people from an oppressive hierarchy that treated then like 'dirt'. And like Moses, he could perform miracles.

The Pharisees were mistakenly expecting a Jewish Messiah that would liberate their nation from Roman oppression, re-establish a strong and independent Jewish nation, and elevate their status as leaders of the people. They did not get what they wanted. The liberation that Jesus gave the lost sheep, was spiritual. No wonder they hated him.



Brother! (I'm not BTW) please understand the situation according to the Hebrew Scriptures alone. These disobedient, "stiff-necked people" (by their God's own description. Deuteronomy 9:13-14) were chosen to produce the promised Messiah within their own genealogical lines as a promise to Abraham. In the process, how many times over those centuries and generations did Israel rebel, causing their God to punish them? Their 40 year wandering in the wilderness was the result of their own disobedience and complaining spirit.

Their behavior through all that time until Messiah was due, justifies everything that Jesus said about them. This is the testimony of their own scripture.
As a nation, they tried God's patience again and again, with an attitude that is still displayed to this day...."we are sons of Abraham, so God will just keep forgiving us".....both Jesus and the one who came with Elijah's spirit condemned them for this attitude.

The terms of God's covenant with this nation depended on their obedience...something they could never give him. God kept his part of the covenant to produce the Messiah and their response was to do to him what they had done to all the other prophets that God sent to correct them. (Matthew 23:37-39) Why would God continue to tolerate them as his nation? What an appalling record they left! And this had nothing to do with the NT.



Are you serious? Do you not have any idea why the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day rejected him outright just from reading the OT? Why they fought tooth and nail to silence him? It had been about 400 years since God had sent a prophet to correct his people, and this was God's last attempt to allow a foretold "remnant" of the Jewish nation to respond to the correction of his last prophet.....the prophesied "prophet like Moses".

Jesus was not sent to the incorrigible Jewish leaders, but to the "lost sheep" who were "skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd".....these were the ones who responded to his teachings...he was kind and compassionate, forgiving and encouraging...not like the Pharisees' 'rigid, judgmental and condemning spirit. Jesus attracted the right hearts and led them out of that corrupt system.



Why do you call Jesus, "brother J"?

Anyone familiar with Israel's history will understand completely why God wanted to wipe them off the face of the earth on occasion. (Deuteronomy 9:14) But he extended his patience because he at least valued the covenant he made with them. Once God had fulfilled his part of the agreement, after giving this nation first option to accept their Messiah, he 'abandoned' them, as Jesus said. (Matthew 23:37-39) The door was never closed to them as individuals, but as a nation they would never be his people again.

As the "fine shepherd" Jesus led the "lost sheep" to new pasturage, where they could grow and prosper spiritually. Gentiles were then added to the flock.

But history repeats.....and Jesus foretold a similar thing to happen to Christianity....(Matthew 13:24-30; 36-43)

We have only latter documented information about Jesus and often with a slant to serve the purpose of those who wrote about Jesus. From what we do have Jesus did speak out against some of the attitudes he felt was wrong at that time but everything points to the fact that he considered himself Jewish and followed Jewish law. It reminds me of Luther speaking out against practices of the Catholic faith at that time. He did not want a new different religion but thought there should be reform of some of the actions of the Catholic church. Jesus spoke to, taught, and lived by Jewish law.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Jesus teaching has clearly converted far more gentiles than Jews to Christianity.
How many were in the throngs that witnessed his preaching is impossible to say,
but it is inevitable that there would have been some, who were curious enough to see and listen to such a charismatic speaker.

However from the scriptures it seems he left the converting of both Jews and Gentiles to his disciples, to after he was crucified.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Jesus is the symbol for Christianity but despite reading the new and old testament's over and over again I can not find out how many gentiles he converted to his religion. The other question is would the religion Jesus would have converted them to have been the Jewish religion or to a new religion worshiping him?

There's barely a ripple in the archaeological record. I think "conversions" (if you want to call it conversions) took off during the time of Constantine.

 

[The Anointed]

How do you know Jesus did not celebrate the Passover as his fellow Jews did?

Because in the evening, when the one day celebration of Passover was meant to be held, which the Jews had abandoned and had incorporated it into their 7 day festival of Unleavened bread, Jesus held the Passover on the day which the Lord had prescribed, and unlike the Jews, who would kill the Pascal lamb, and next day, eat it in the evening of the first of the 7 day festival of Unleavened Bread, Jesus, who is seen as the reality of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, offered to his disciples not the body of a sheep, but his own body in the form of Bread and wine.

Matthew 26: 26-28; "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[KingSolomon]

There's barely a ripple in the archaeological record. I think "conversions" (if you want to call it conversions) took off during the time of Constantine.

Right

 

[Bear Wild]

Because in the evening, when the one day celebration of Passover was meant to be held, which the Jews had abandoned and had incorporated it into their 7 day festival of Unleavened bread, Jesus held the Passover on the day which the Lord had prescribed, and unlike the Jews, who would kill the Pascal lamb, and next day, eat it in the evening of the first of the 7 day festival of Unleavened Bread, Jesus, who is seen as the reality of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, offered to his disciples not the body of a sheep, but his own body in the form of Bread and wine.

Matthew 26: 26-28; "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

If he actually said those words which were not written down at the event and his actions were his interpretation of the Jewish celebration.

 

[Bear Wild]

Because in the evening, when the one day celebration of Passover was meant to be held, which the Jews had abandoned and had incorporated it into their 7 day festival of Unleavened bread, Jesus held the Passover on the day which the Lord had prescribed, and unlike the Jews, who would kill the Pascal lamb, and next day, eat it in the evening of the first of the 7 day festival of Unleavened Bread, Jesus, who is seen as the reality of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, offered to his disciples not the body of a sheep, but his own body in the form of Bread and wine.

Matthew 26: 26-28; "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

He still saw it as a Jewish celebration.

 

[Deeje]

We have only latter documented information about Jesus and often with a slant to serve the purpose of those who wrote about Jesus.

That's kinda why Jesus was sent, don't you think? What he taught was documented by several different people so as to share those teachings and experiences with all who would come later. Jesus did not commit anything to writing.

From what we do have Jesus did speak out against some of the attitudes he felt was wrong at that time but everything points to the fact that he considered himself Jewish and followed Jewish law.

That is correct.....Jesus wasn't a Christian.... He was Jewish, sent to the Jewish people. But he wasn't too proud of what had happened to Judaism. He castigated the religious leaders of his day at every opportunity.

It reminds me of Luther speaking out against practices of the Catholic faith at that time. He did not want a new different religion but thought there should be reform of some of the actions of the Catholic church. Jesus spoke to, taught, and lived by Jewish law.

Exactly. And just as Luther started a virtual revolution in Catholicism, so Jesus started a revolution in Judaism. Both became responsible for a chain of events that would change history. Both religious systems had become bogged down by abuses of power and reliance on human tradition rather than the word of God. But Luther's actions only marginally modified the power of the Roman church, it didn't change its beliefs and practices. The reformation that followed simply put God's word into the hands of the common people and ended up splintering it into ever more sects and denominations as men interpreted scripture to suit their own ideas.

Jesus' teachings changed the thinking of his Jewish disciples forever. He changed their destiny and he taught them how to worship God under a new covenant. The old covenant was now redundant. His blood removed any need for further sacrifice for forgiveness of sins.

Christianity is supposed to worship the same God as Jesus did. He has a name...one that Jesus said should be "hallowed".....the majority of those who confess a faith in the God of Jesus deliberately ignore his name, even removing it from their Bible translations. Jesus said he had come to make it known because the Jews refused to utter it. (John 17:6;26)
You cannot honor a name you never use.

 

[KingSolomon]

If he actually said those words which were not written down at the event and his actions were his interpretation of the Jewish celebration.

Excuse me. This sentence makes no sense. What are you trying to say?

 

[Bear Wild]

Excuse me. This sentence makes no sense. What are you trying to say?

Sorry it was a poor attempt to remember that all of the words Jesus said were not written at the time. The new testament gospels were written years after the words were said which means they are not likely to be as accurate as they assumed by modern Christians. The four accepted gospels also were written by different views for probably different developing sects of the religion. Thus they may have the intent of what Jesus said but to accept them as absolute literal events is unlikely.