PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Faith should be tested at every opportunity. Otherwise, people start believing silly things.
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How much does the Christian God really love us?
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The very fact that a metaphor of a tree having its fruit eaten as gaining knowledge denotes a test.
This life is nothing but a test! The only way to become victorious over it is to experience the test with tried and tested guidelines that are our help in overcoming adversities.
Those guidelines were given with full knowledge of the human potential and with full knowledge of the conditions humanity was subjected to.
Hence the test!
Life without God's guidelines makes for a hopeless life, one without any hope of life hereafter.
Look at the human potential for v[FONT="]iolence and you tell me what is the antidote.
If you say love, then the question has to be asked from where does love come from?
Is love found in the DNA strand?
Look at nature, where is love demonstrated in the animal kingdom; the natural disasters?
Animals devour one another, volcano's erupt without to much notice, earthquakes happen.
If love does not originate from this world, than it only means it derives elsewhere.
The ultimate choice then is to accept what is as is, or accept what the elsewhere offers.
Blessings, AJ
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This life is nothing but a test! The only way to become victorious over it is to experience the test with tried and tested guidelines that are our help in overcoming adversities.
Those guidelines were given with full knowledge of the human potential and with full knowledge of the conditions humanity was subjected to.
Hence the test!
Life without God's guidelines makes for a hopeless life, one without any hope of life hereafter.
Look at the human potential for v[FONT="]iolence and you tell me what is the antidote.
If you say love, then the question has to be asked from where does love come from?
Is love found in the DNA strand?
Look at nature, where is love demonstrated in the animal kingdom; the natural disasters?
Animals devour one another, volcano's erupt without to much notice, earthquakes happen.
If love does not originate from this world, than it only means it derives elsewhere.
The ultimate choice then is to accept what is as is, or accept what the elsewhere offers.
Blessings, AJ
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
In my opinion, that is a serious devaluing of life.
Again, devaluing of life. Do we need an afterlife in order to be hopeful? Who is so pathetic as to feel they have no hope simply because their wish to be immortal will not be fulfilled?
Empathy.
People.
No. Does the Pope crap in the woods?
The nurturing of young?
Humans kill each other all the time (along with lots of other animals), and we don't even do it for survival a lot of the time.
Love is derived from the human brain, just like your notion of "elsewhere".
What a wonderfully cryptic, ambiguous and unhelpful piece of advice that was.
One lives and one dies....................that's it?
There can be no hope in that, but in suffering? We find our worth.
And if we find our worth, we then must also discover our hope...for for what be the hope in suffering if all there was to life was just to live and die and after that nothing.
Blessings, AJ
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Originally Posted by look3467
Animals devour one another, volcano's erupt without to much notice, earthquakes happen.
Humans kill each other all the time (along with lots of other animals), and we don't even do it for survival a lot of the time.
"and we don't even do it for survival a lot of the time" only goes to prove that if love is not an outside antidote, life goes on as like in the animal kingdom.
Blessings, AJ
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
But life itself as "just a test"? Nope, that's a devaluing sentiment. Life is far, far more important than that.
Yes. What's wrong with that?
Like I said, if accepting that life is finite leaves you without any kind of hope, then I feel sorry for you. You should not have to coddle yourself with delusions of immortality in order to find hope and purpose in existence.
In case you didn't realize, there's a bit that happens to us before we die. It's called life, and things happen in it. Important thing. We find happiness, we lose it it, we learn, we teach, we succeed, we fail, we find meaning in our existence, we rejoice and we despair. These experiences and passing them on to the next generation is what gives us hope and purpose, and if you deny any of this by insisting that there is no hope in a finite life then you don't know the first thing about living. The fact that life is finite gives our lives import and purpose - an eternal life is a meaningless one. Do not dare diminish the short time we have on this earth by deluding yourself with notions of a hereafter. The sooner you accept mortality, the sooner you start to realize the richness and poignancy of life. People who yearn for immortality will never be able to understand that.
No. From people. People are the ones who express and feel love, and we need no divine agency working through us in order to feel it.
Animals can and do deny it all the time - just like humans do. Humans are programmed to care for their young in the exact same way as animals are, we're just able to express it in a greater many ways.
So, on the one hand you're saying that God works through mankind because we aren't like animals because animals "devour one another", and now you claim that God works through men because men can kill eachother but sometimes choose not to? Also, what about instances of animals having the capacity to hurt eachother but choosing not to? Do they count? For example, you ever seen piranhas in a feeding frenzy? They all go for the food at the same time and rapidly gnaw away at it, completely tearing apart their prey in a matter of seconds. Yet, in all the chaos of the frenzy, no piranha will bite another - neither by accident nor out of competition for food. Is this an example of God working through piranhas?
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
"Your life does flash before your eyes before you die. It just does it in real-time."
I'd like to live indefinitely, (but not forever - if I want to die, I should be able to) thank you very much, but this thread is not the place to argue that. Are you interested enough for me to start a new one?
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Gee, let me think. his son crucified on a cross, crying out My Lord why have you forsaken me, while a Roman Legionnaire named Longinus pokes his rib with a spear.
To me this is the same God Judaism has always known, for thousands of years. he is a cruel and formidable desert creature who marches and uses his men for grand political schemes and achievements.
Twig pentagram
High Priest
I don't know because it never answered any of my questions.