How Much of a Theist or Atheist are You?

[MrMrdevincamus]

I did not ask the atheist scientists. I asked you. And you make the assumption that your God is definetely not the product of imagination. I wonder how you can support that.

So, Are you 100% sure that the FSM does not exist?

Ciao

- viole

Viole, I thought you were gone....anyway are you falling behind in you reading? Are you aware of the theory where anything that can be imagined not could happen or will happen, I cant remember that part of the press release. After some thought I have come to the conclusion that nothing is 100% sure in this universe....

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[JustWondering]

The first time I heard of a scale being around was through Richard Dawkins, one of the founders of the New Atheism group. Since I do not have a differing widely known scale, I use his. He's eliminating other beliefs and the like for those whose beliefs lie elsewhere, so I include "Other" in my poll.

1. Strong Theist: I do not question the existence of God, I KNOW he exists.
2. De-facto Theist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in God and I live my life on the assumption that he is there.
3. Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.
4. Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable.
5. Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical.
6. De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumption that he is not there.
7. Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.

If this has been posted before, then please forgive. I did a search and did not find.

Believing in something that cannot be demonstrated to actually exist seems foolish to me. Living your life in a way that's based on beliefs about something that cannot be demonstrated to actually exist is even more foolish.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Believing in something that cannot be demonstrated to actually exist seems foolish to me. Living your life in a way that's based on beliefs about something that cannot be demonstrated to actually exist is even more foolish.

I suppose living by the teachings of Jesus would seem foolish by some. Christians live their life based on those teachings of love and compassion. Jesus dedicated his short life for the betterment of humanity even though he would pay the ultimate price for his love of mankind. You think its foolish to love Jesus but I can not help but to think those who are bitter to those who love unconditionally have been harmed by Christianity in one way or another. Also I have found narcissistic personalities tend to hate for no apparent reason other than internal anger, which sooner or later will surface as depression later in life.

Lastly you should remember ever person on earth understands reality by the assessment mechanism where our sensory organs tell our fallible brain information about the outside world. You should know each individual reality is different. So how can anyone say their view of reality is more accurate than mine our yours etc? How accurate is your view of reality compared to others?

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[Kilgore Trout]

I'm an "Incidental Atheist." My atheism is merely one, incidental result of a general approach to life from a rationalist/skeptical mindset and methodology. My absence of belief in the existence of god/s is based on the complete and absolute lack of any verifiable, empirical, objective evidence for the existence of any of the myriad god/s invented by humans. It is supported and validated by observing and learning about humans, and that their beliefs in god/s are fully and logically explained by their psychological and emotional needs, fears, and hopes.

 

[Pudding]

God (uppercase G) - Monotheistic religion's deity.
god (lowercase g) - Polytheistic religion's deity.
deity - A god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion); or the creator and supreme being (in a monotheistic religion).


1. Theist: I believe a specific God/gods exists.

Mc. - Many confidence.
Mtal. - More than a little but not very many confidence.
Alc. - A little confidence.


Divide Theist into different categories by how many confidence they have in their belief that a specific God/gods exists:

1a. Mc. Theist: I have many confidence in my belief that a specific God/gods exists.
1b. Mtal. Theist: I have more than a little but not very many confidence in my belief that a specific God/gods exists.
1c. Alc. Theist: I have a little confidence in my belief that a specific God/gods exists.


2. Atheist: I don't have the belief that at least one God exists. I also don't have the belief that at least one god exists.

Cnd. - Complete no deity.
Pnd. - Partial no deity.


Divide Atheist into different categories by whether or not they believe no God exists and whether or not they believe no god exists:

2.1 Cnd. Atheist: I believe no God exists. I also believe no god exists.
2.2 Non-Cnd. Atheist: I don't have the belief that no God exists. I also don't have the belief that no god exists.


Divide Non-Cnd. Atheist into different categories by whether or not they believe at least one God/god doesn't exist:

2.2.1 Pnd. Atheist: I believe at least one God/god doesn't exist while i don't have the belief that other God(s) and/or god(s) doesn't exist.
2.2.2 Non-Pnd. Atheist: I don't have the belief that at least one God doesn't exist. I also don't have the belief that at least one god doesn't exist.

 

[Pudding]

Version 2


God
1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.


1. Theist: I believe at least one monotheistic God and/or at least one non-monotheistic God exists.

Mc. - Many confidence.
Mtal. - More than a little but not very many confidence.
Alc. - A little confidence.


Divide Theist into different categories by how many confidence they have in their belief that at least one monotheistic God and/or at least one non-monotheistic God exists:

1a. Mc. Theist: I have many confidence in my belief that at least one monotheistic God and/or at least one non-monotheistic God exists.
1b. Mtal. Theist: I have more than a little but not very many confidence in my belief that at least one monotheistic God and/or at least one non-monotheistic God exists.
1c. Alc. Theist: I have a little confidence in my belief that at least one monotheistic God and/or at least one non-monotheistic God exists.


2. Atheist: I don't have the belief that at least one monotheistic God and at least one non-monotheistic God exists.

(≥1) - Greater than or equal to 1.
Cng. - Complete no God.
Png. - Partial no God.
Cnng. - Complete no no-God.


Divide Atheist into different categories by whether or not they believe no monotheistic God and no non-monotheistic God exists:

2.1 Cng. Atheist: I believe no monotheistic God and no non-monotheistic God exists.
2.2 Non-Cng. Atheist: I don't have the belief that no monotheistic God and no non-monotheistic God exists.


Divide Non-Cng. Atheist into different categories by whether or not they believe at least one monotheistic God and/or at least one non-monotheistic God doesn't exist:

2.2.1 Png. Atheist: I believe at least one monotheistic God and/or at least one non-monotheistic God doesn't exist; additionally i don't have the belief that a quantity amount (≥1) of other monotheistic God(s) and/or a quantity amount (≥1) of other non-monotheistic God(s) doesn't exist.
2.2.2 Cnng. Atheist: I don't have the belief that at least one monotheistic God and at least one non-monotheistic God doesn't exist.

 

[JustWondering]

I suppose living by the teachings of Jesus would seem foolish by some. Christians live their life based on those teachings of love and compassion. Jesus dedicated his short life for the betterment of humanity even though he would pay the ultimate price for his love of mankind. You think its foolish to love Jesus but I can not help but to think those who are bitter to those who love unconditionally have been harmed by Christianity in one way or another. Also I have found narcissistic personalities tend to hate for no apparent reason other than internal anger, which sooner or later will surface as depression later in life.

Lastly you should remember ever person on earth understands reality by the assessment mechanism where our sensory organs tell our fallible brain information about the outside world. You should know each individual reality is different. So how can anyone say their view of reality is more accurate than mine our yours etc? How accurate is your view of reality compared to others?

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Jesus's teachings ultimately revolve around the core belief that your life should center around an invisible petty, violent, homophobic, and jealous god that makes mistakes (which can be clearly shown in the bible) and is guilty of horrific crimes (which can also be clearly shown in the bible). Jesus's teachings include the teaching that you should shun your family if they do not believe as you do. Cults often try to isolate people from naysayers (which will likely include family members) so they can more easily brainwash, manipulate, and control them.

Most of the Christians I've ever known do not live their lives according to Jesus's good teachings. Most Christians are Christian because they were raised to be one and never questioned it. That's it.

Disbelieving in Christianity merely requires the ability to recognize it for what it is, bronze age mythology with no more connection to reality than tales about Zeus.

 

[james bond]

Every village must have its headman; every needle must have its manufacturer and craftsman. And, as you know, every letter must be written by someone. How, then, can it be that so extremely well-ordered a kingdom should have no ruler? And how can so much wealth have no owner, when every hour a train

1 arrives filled with precious and artful gifts, as if coming from the realm of the unseen? And all the announcements and proclamations, all the seals and stamps, found on all those goods, all the coins and the flags waving in every corner of the kingdom — can they be without an owner? It seems you have studied foreign languages a little, and are unable to read this Islamic script. In addition, you refuse to ask those who are able to read it..”

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[james bond]

I did not ask the atheist scientists. I asked you. And you make the assumption that your God is definetely not the product of imagination. I wonder how you can support that.

So, Are you 100% sure that the FSM does not exist?

Ciao

- viole

Yes, I thought I answered it. They exist in the imagination. So, based on this you think God exists in imagination? Not so. Else, you would have been able to disprove it so there wouldn't be so many believers. I think atheists lack answers, knowledge and comprehension since they believe in false theories or pseudoscience. The readily accept dark energy, dark matter and universes from invisible particles. You will not be able to show evidence for any of the aforementioned. It's just philosophy. Or is they just exist in imaginations and in order to sell their atheist books.

OTOH, the creationists have the more correct understanding of nature, more scientists who have provided the better theories in science, the Bible and facts, reasoning and historical truths. All the atheists have are evolution science (wrong and circular science) and internet slogans like the claimer has to provide the evidence. They can't even explain what it will take to make them believe. I just assume that the fire and the existence of an afterlife will make them believe.

 

[james bond]

Believing in something that cannot be demonstrated to actually exist seems foolish to me. Living your life in a way that's based on beliefs about something that cannot be demonstrated to actually exist is even more foolish.

That's what I've been telling the atheists and evos. They believe in the existence of dark matter, dark energy, multiverses, the universe from invisible particles, the racist scientific theories of people evolving from chimpanzee-like-apes, subhumans, life just happens in the universe, humans can colonize Mars, aliens and what not. These people will believe anything as long as you tell them it's "sci-e-e-e-n-n-n-c-c-c-e." Ha ha.

 

[viole]

Yes, I thought I answered it. They exist in the imagination. So, based on this you think God exists in imagination? Not so. Else, you would have been able to disprove it so there wouldn't be so many believers. I think atheists lack answers, knowledge and comprehension since they believe in false theories or pseudoscience. The readily accept dark energy, dark matter and universes from invisible particles. You will not be able to show evidence for any of the aforementioned. It's just philosophy. Or is they just exist in imaginations and in order to sell their atheist books.

OTOH, the creationists have the more correct understanding of nature, more scientists who have provided the better theories in science, the Bible and facts, reasoning and historical truths. All the atheists have are evolution science (wrong and circular science) and internet slogans like the claimer has to provide the evidence. They can't even explain what it will take to make them believe. I just assume that the fire and the existence of an afterlife will make them believe.

Whay better theories of science? Water before the stars?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Guy Threepwood]

The first time I heard of a scale being around was through Richard Dawkins, one of the founders of the New Atheism group. Since I do not have a differing widely known scale, I use his. He's eliminating other beliefs and the like for those whose beliefs lie elsewhere, so I include "Other" in my poll.

1. Strong Theist: I do not question the existence of God, I KNOW he exists.
2. De-facto Theist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in God and I live my life on the assumption that he is there.
3. Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.
4. Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable.
5. Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical.
6. De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumption that he is not there.
7. Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.

If this has been posted before, then please forgive. I did a search and did not find.

Or to frame the question the other way around

1. Strong Naturalist: I do not question the existence of a natural cause for the universe and life in it, I KNOW it exists.
2. De-facto Naturalist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in a natural cause and I live my life on the assumption that it is there.
3. Weak Naturalist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in natural causes.
4. Pure Agnostic: The existence and non-existence of a natural cause are exactly equiprobable.
5. Weak Anaturalist: I do not know whether a natural cause exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical.
6. De-facto Anaturalist: I cannot know for certain but I think a natural cause is very improbable and I live my life under the assumption that it is not there.
7. Strong Anaturalist:: I am 100% sure that there is no natural cause.

I'm somewhere between 6 & 7- extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!

 

[Guy Threepwood]

That's what I've been telling the atheists and evos. They believe in the existence of dark matter, dark energy, multiverses, the universe from invisible particles, the racist scientific theories of people evolving from chimpanzee-like-apes, subhumans, life just happens in the universe, humans can colonize Mars, aliens and what not. These people will believe anything as long as you tell them it's "sci-e-e-e-n-n-n-c-c-c-e." Ha ha.

When something has the label 'science' stuck on it, it's often as not a red flag that it's anything but- things that are actually demonstrably true, don't usually have any use for the label, or need any consensus of opinion to support them

 

[Liu]

Or to frame the question the other way around

1. Strong Naturalist: I do not question the existence of a natural cause for the universe and life in it, I KNOW it exists.
2. De-facto Naturalist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in a natural cause and I live my life on the assumption that he is there.
3. Weak Naturalist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in natural causes.
4. Pure Agnostic: The existence and non-existence of a natural cause are exactly equiprobable.
5. Weak Anaturalist: I do not know whether a natural cause exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical.
6. De-facto Anaturalist: I cannot know for certain but I think a natural cause is very improbable and I live my life under the assumption that it is not there.
7. Strong Anaturalist:: I am 100% sure that there is no natural cause.

I'm somewhere between 6 & 7- extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!

That however opens up the next can of worms - what to define as not natural?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

That however opens up the next can of worms - what to define as not natural?

Since a naturalist seeks unguided, unintelligent, spontaneous causes, by their definition, any cause that involves creative intelligence, consciousness, purpose, intent, is 'not natural ' in this context

 

[Liu]

Ah, this kind of distinction.
I believe that consciousness in and of itself cannot have arisen from matter that is devoid of any such consciousness, and therefore must have existed in the cosmos from the beginning, or come from an outside source.

However, "higher" consciousness, which is able to have an intent based on abstract thinking and self-awareness, might have not been there in the beginning but only comes to be through certain combinations of consciousness and matter.
It might also be able to exist without matter to support it, and if that is the case, such a consciousness could have played a role in creation. But I'm agnostic about that. So, 4 on your scale.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I suppose living by the teachings of Jesus would seem foolish by some. Christians live their life based on those teachings of love and compassion. Jesus dedicated his short life for the betterment of humanity even though he would pay the ultimate price for his love of mankind. You think its foolish to love Jesus but I can not help but to think those who are bitter to those who love unconditionally have been harmed by Christianity in one way or another. Also I have found narcissistic personalities tend to hate for no apparent reason other than internal anger, which sooner or later will surface as depression later in life.

Lastly you should remember ever person on earth understands reality by the assessment mechanism where our sensory organs tell our fallible brain information about the outside world. You should know each individual reality is different. So how can anyone say their view of reality is more accurate than mine our yours etc? How accurate is your view of reality compared to others?

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It is completely possible to base one's life around love and compassion while not believing in the biblical Jesus' claims to divinity or the attachment of deities, afterlives, et all. Christianity neither has these qualities exclusive, nor are they immune from narcissism, as I've known plenty of Christians who take Pascal's wager to the Nth degree, and are Christian because they want heavenly rewards and to avoid punishment of judgement, not because of a strong sense of love and compassion.

 

[JustWondering]

That's what I've been telling the atheists and evos. They believe in the existence of dark matter, dark energy, multiverses, the universe from invisible particles, the racist scientific theories of people evolving from chimpanzee-like-apes, subhumans, life just happens in the universe, humans can colonize Mars, aliens and what not. These people will believe anything as long as you tell them it's "sci-e-e-e-n-n-n-c-c-c-e." Ha ha.

Lol, those pesky scientists with their scientific method and empirical evidence and reason. If it weren't for people like them we could still be living in one big glorious unending superstitious dark age.

 

[james bond]

Whay better theories of science? Water before the stars?

Ciao

- viole

Water before stars was God's work. The atheist scientists can't even explain why there is so much water on earth.

Here's a list:

Bible-Believing Scientists of the Past | The Institute for Creation Research

 

[james bond]

When something has the label 'science' stuck on it, it's often as not a red flag that it's anything but- things that are actually demonstrably true, don't usually have any use for the label, or need any consensus of opinion to support them

This is what the internet atheists believe or what they want you to believe. They believe whatever the liberal cosmologists tell them and accept it as science. It's more philosophy or even a scientific wild *** guess. Science is the search for the truth and it's always been about disagreements. It wasn't that long ago, people were buying into string theory, M-theory and multiple dimensions and multiverses. We didn't confirm all of Einstein's ToR until last year. Even then, there may still be questions such as the speed of light. We did confirm Newton's Law wasn't exact, but it still held for most calculations done on the universe.