How old do people think the earth is.

[Deut 13:1]

At least 5,767 years old...

 

[dawny0826]

Just my two shiny old pennies........... I thinks it doesn't matter how old or how young. What matters more, to me, is working on righteousness and becoming close to Him that created me. I haven't the time for such trivial nuances as to worry oneself over what is or isn't the age of a pile of dirt and rock.

Now back to your regular scheduled programming...............

I feel the same.
And...numbers go right over my head...so, these threads just stump me.:bonk:

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I agree it takes allot of faith for me to say a young earth just because the Bible says so. So this question that we don't know what God's 7 days are was something I believed. A way science and the Bible work together, I loved it. But...

I don't think that it takes any faith to believe the Bible. It's in a book. You believe your version because it appeals to your twisted interpretation. You believe in a literal creation because a literal interpretation of the Bible seems logical to you. Faith cannot be a product of logic.

The first time you use a word in any book it must be literal. Plus it's very clear about the sun rise then the sunset(one day). On top of that he put it in the 10 commandments, 6 days you work the seventh you rest, for God made the world in 6 days and made the 7th day the Sabbath for man.

You cannot possibly sustain this assertion. Human expression in myth is hardly literal. What about all the stories about Thor? What about Gilgamesh? What about the scores of Greek mythology, and poetry from humans since we have been writing. Most human literary expression is NOT literal.

So I had to either ditch the God thing or ditch the old earth thing. If God is as powerful as he says he is then why doubt his words, why think the Bible is wrong. You might as well go out on a limb and believe it all, right?

This is your logic - "ditch the God thing or ditch the old earth thing." Yet it is entirely possible for God "as powerful as he says he is" to give mythological and theological meaning to the command for people to keep the Sabbath.

Your literal understanding limits God's power just as much as you misjudge the power of myth.

 

[gnostic]

To be more accurate, the Christians would believe the earth to be only 5766 years old.

How did I get the 66 years?

Well, look up the Jewish calendar. The age is based on those calculation.

The thing is that Christians, or more precisely Creationist Christians believed that the entire universe is the same age as earth.

That's not possible, considering the nearest galaxy, Andromeda, is at least 2 million light-years away from earth. Therefore it would be impossible for us to see this galaxy with naked eyes or telescope. Creationists just can't seem to comprehend the physics of light and optics.

If the universe is only 6000 years old than we should not be able to see many the stars in our night sky.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

To be more accurate, the Christians would believe the earth to be only 5766 years old.

How did I get the 66 years?

Well, look up the Jewish calendar. The age is based on those calculation.

It doesn't matter how they add it up, it is still lunacy.

1) All they have is addition of biblical genealogies that are based on Babylonian king lists and Sumerian myths.

2) If they pay attention at all to science, they have to "recoincile" such evidence to their non-scientific addition, which is odd because they completely ignore all of the conclusions that relate to scientific evidence itself.

The key to communication with these people is the simple knowledge that their initial method has nothing to do with science in the first place. Creationism or (forgive me, Lord) "creation science" (a misnomer if there ever was one) is not a product of science and therefore will never be scientifically viable, even if by some miracle of chance that science ever comes remotely close to verifying any of their claims.

 

[Abram]

If the universe is only 6000 years old than we should not be able to see many the stars in our night sky.

Light could have been made in transit

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Light could have been made in transit

And of course we can't deny that God could speed up the process of fossilization, created the deposits of fossil fuels, and formed the Grand Canyon in a day. However, the mere theory that God could do something is not proof that God exists. Evidence must match conclusions. The evidence that light exists is not evidence for the possibility that a Being exists that can create light in transit, and the fact that your mind can come up with such a baseless specualtion isn't evidence either.

Of course, we should also consider that myths are not science. Evidence abounds for this assertion.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Angelous,

You show a remarkable capacity for logic and understanding of the natural sciences for someone who lists themselves as a Christian. I mean that as a compliment, and please don't take it otherwise, sometimes tone is hard to express in writing.

I would love to know what church you go to, as I live in the same area that you do, and would like to visit a church that does not discourage its followers from acknowledging the natural sciences. If that request is too personal, I understand and would not be at all offended if you chose not to divulge.

B.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Angelous,

You show a remarkable capacity for logic and understanding of the natural sciences for someone who lists themselves as a Christian. I mean that as a compliment, and please don't take it otherwise, sometimes tone is hard to express in writing.

I would love to know what church you go to, as I live in the same area that you do, and would like to visit a church that does not discourage its followers from acknowledging the natural sciences. If that request is too personal, I understand and would not be at all offended if you chose not to divulge.

B.

It's not too personal at all. I've been attending St. Matt's Presbyterian in Burleson, TX, but I'm not sure how much the church leadership agrees with my theology. I'm not a member because I serve churches in the Metroplex sort of "on call." I preach for various congregations when pastors are sick, etc. I highly reccommend St. Matt's, but I'm not sure if it represents what you're looking for.

Here's something to consider: it's easy for a Christian or anyone else to become zealous about a myth and start touting it as a scientific fact, particularly if one is in a community that encourages this sort of thing. By faith, myth becomes history because we confess that by faith we participate with the Creator. So there are two sides to the coin. Scientifically speaking, we must conclude that there is no evidence for God, so we can't take scientific evidence and tout it as if it makes any conclusions about God, whether for or against God's existence or activity. However, by faith we see God's creative power and providence in all things.

By faith, one participates personally in the myth, and the rhetoric seems or perhaps is desidedly one-sided, making Christians appear or actually be scientifically incompetent.

That being said, I don't know of a church that is going to encourage my particular blend of theology, although I think that I am strictly adhering to the conventional Christian creeds. I'm actually very conservative theologically without the non-scientific stain of Biblical interpretation, which I was taught in a Baptist college.

EDIT: I just thought of a good test for pastors. Ask them what they think about Rudolf Bultmann and Karl Barth. If they like Bultmann and Barth, chances are they are similar to me, as I think (LOL) that I have been greatly influenced by both of these fellers.

 

[Steve]

We all know now that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, but the bible and other writings state otherwise. Religious people, how do you explain this, and if possible, how do you work it into you religion? Because the idea that the earth and universe is 6000 (approx) years old is insane, do you disregard the speed of light and other damning evidence? Your opinions please x

Well no i dont know the earth is 4.5 billion years old, i know alot of the reasons people think it is. I also know alot of reasons why it cant be that old. - http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp

Also i assume that you bring up the speed of light because of the distance of stars from the earth, if you really are interested you can hear one scientific explanation here - rtsp://ra.gospelcom.net/aig/seminars/SiouxFalls2001/RussStarlightTime.rm(might need flashget or somthing simular to download it.)

 

[wmam]

See .... like I said ....... its a waste of time. All we have is the say so of who ever on the correctness of so called calculation of man and his infinite wisdom as to the age of, or distance of,any given object. Who are we trying to kid in all this. We are only kidding ourselves into thinking we as human beings are in fact that smart. LOL I mean there are those out there that don't believe that we went to the moon. That it was all a big Hollywood hoax. LOLOLOL Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. The poor, poor sheeple following any given shepherd. not knowing which way they will be lead. Be it to the rich sweet green pastures or to the slaughter.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

See .... like I said ....... its a waste of time. All we have is the say so of who ever on the correctness of so called calculation of man and his infinite wisdom as to the age of, or distance of,any given object. Who are we trying to kid in all this. We are only kidding ourselves into thinking we as human beings are in fact that smart. LOL I mean there are those out there that don't believe that we went to the moon. That it was all a big Hollywood hoax. LOLOLOL Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. The poor, poor sheeple following any given shepherd. not knowing which way they will be lead. Be it to the rich sweet green pastures or to the slaughter.

Smoke and mirrors only work for people who are suckers for propaganda. Your post immedeately follows an excellent example.

 

[Steve]

Smoke and mirrors only work for people who are suckers for propaganda. Your post immedeately follows an excellent example.

Coming from somone who claims to believe in God but also that everything could have created itself, although maybe with a little helping hand from God now and then if needed but all the while using death, disease and suffering to bring about his very good, initially uncursed, creation.
For someone who claims to believes in Christ i wonder which bible you have which describes such a Creator. The Jesus i believe in was able to instantly heal the blind and make the lame walk, cure leprosy and multiply fish and bread not to metion be raised from the dead - indeed "the prince of peace" as i recall. Maybe you believe in a different creator then i do, i suspect its because you have swallowed the evolutionary propaganda and compromised how you see your God, even to the point where you label fellow Christians "suckers" for believe Christ made things without the use of death, pain, starvation etc.

 

[turk179]

Well no i dont know the earth is 4.5 billion years old, i know alot of the reasons people think it is. I also know alot of reasons why it cant be that old. - http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp

Also i assume that you bring up the speed of light because of the distance of stars from the earth, if you really are interested you can hear one scientific explanation here - rtsp://ra.gospelcom.net/aig/seminars/SiouxFalls2001/RussStarlightTime.rm(might need flashget or somthing simular to download it.)

These arguments only work if you believe in G_d or the Bible and I believe in neither. Not to say that these things are not factual it is just irrelevant if you don't believe in them.

 

[niceguy]

As old as the scientists says it is. This is approxamatly 4.5 billion years but further eveidence may change this somewhat to perhaps an evenoldr earth. In any case, I think the idea of an 6000 years old earth do have merit in one way, about at this time, civiizations begun to show up on earth. It may not have been the dawn of earth but it may been the dawn of human civilization.

I made a quick search for ancient civilizations and found this interesting example of an 7000 years old culture. http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-5-2005-72654.asp

 

[darkwaldo]

I believe the earth is young, 6,000 yrs. Creationists have good theories about the speed of light from distant stars, and all that. I actually believed the opposite until I did more research and found that their is great evidence for a young earth and a catastrophic flood. There are Christians who believe in an old earth, that is fine, although I do not agree with them. I won't try to argue for or against it scientificaly or theologicaly here, but I figured I would answer the question of the thread for the record.

I would like to know where you get this evidence for a great flood. There is evidence of a catasrophic flood in Sumeria before biblical times, which would explain where the great flood story in the bible originated from, only greatly exaggerated. I'm wondering when, in the 6000 year period the great flood occured. Civilizations were springing up all over the world at that time. Is there any evidence of a flood wiping out the other civilizations in the world?

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Is there any evidence of a flood wiping out the other civilizations in the world?

nope sure aint.

B.

 

[gnostic]

Have anyone to ask geologists and earth scientists of how old the earth is?

I am not talking of evolutionists or of people who believed in the Big Bang, but geologists and earth scientists. Do they believe the older rocks to be no more than 5700 years old?

Since Creationists don't believe evolution about the origin of human and other animals, maybe they can accept the evidences from geologists as independent sources.

 

[Ody]

Odd you people are using belief as an arguement... but in a debate your suppost to use facts..

 

[Steve]

Have anyone to ask geologists and earth scientists of how old the earth is?

I am not talking of evolutionists or of people who believed in the Big Bang, but geologists and earth scientists. Do they believe the older rocks to be no more than 5700 years old?

Since Creationists don't believe evolution about the origin of human and other animals, maybe they can accept the evidences from geologists as independent sources.

There are many Geologists who are creationists and believe that geology indicates a world changing flood and young earth.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/geology.asp has many articles from different PHD. geologists and Geophysicists such as -

Austin, Steven A., Ph.D.
B.S. (Geology), University of Washington, Seattle, WA,1970
M.S. (Geology), San Jose State University, San Jose, CA, 1971
Ph.D. (Geology), Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA, 1979

John Baumgardner, Ph.D.
B.S., Texas Tech University, Lubbock, 1968
M.S., Electrical Engineering, Princeton University, Princeton, NJ, 1970
M.S., Geophysics and Space Physics, University of California, Los Angeles, 1981
Ph.D., Geophysics and Space Physics, University of California, Los Angeles, 1983

Englin, Dennis L.—Professor of Geophysics
B.A., Westmont College, Santa Barbara, CA, 1968
M.Sc., California State University, Northridge, CA, 1970
Ed.D., University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA, 1975

Colin W. Mitchell
Dr. Mitchell is a former international consultant in the development of arid lands based in the United Kingdom. He holds credits from Harvard University, an M.A. with honors in geography from Oxford University, an M.C.D. (master of civic design) from the University of Liverpool and a Ph.D. in desert terrain geography from Cambridge University. Dr. Mitchell has acted as a specialist consultant to 16 countries, including long-term assignments with Iraq, Sudan, Pakistan, Morocco, and the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization’s appraisal of Ethiopia’s national land use planning policy. - http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/isd/mitchell.asp

Morris, John D. Professor of Geology
B.S., Virginia Tech., Blacksburg, VA, 1969
M.S., University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, 1977
Ph.D.. University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, 1980

Emil Silvestru Ph.D
Dr. Silvestru earned his Ph.D in geology at the ‘Babes-Bolyai’ University in Cluj, Romania, (where he has worked as an associate professor) in karst sedimentology.
A world authority on the geology of caves, he has published 30 scientific papers, and co-authored one book. He was, until recently, the head scientist at the world’s first Speleological Institute (speleology = the study of caves) in Cluj. -http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/e_silvestru.asp

Andrew A. Snelling, B.Sc.(Hons), Ph.D.
Andrew is well qualified for the task of communicating the issues of Creation/Evolution to the layman and the professional scientist alike. Andrew completed a Bachelor of Science degree in Applied Geology with First Class Honours at The University of New South Wales in Sydney, and graduated a Doctor of Philosophy (in geology) at The University of Sydney, for his thesis entitled A geochemical study of the Koongarra uranium deposit, Northern Territory, Australia. - http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/a_snelling.asp

find more at http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/bios/default.asp if you want.