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How Progressive are you? (poll)

Which of the following statements to you mostly agree with.

  • Intersectionality theory is a positive tool for change.

    Votes: 11 33.3%
  • All cultures merit equal respect.

    Votes: 13 39.4%
  • There is a patriarchy that oppresses women.

    Votes: 20 60.6%
  • Society should strive to achieve equality of outcome.

    Votes: 15 45.5%
  • Society should restrict hate speech.

    Votes: 14 42.4%
  • Speech codes are a positive influence at universities.

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • Lived experience deserves as much merit as expertise.

    Votes: 19 57.6%
  • Universities are improved when trigger warnings and safe spaces are provided.

    Votes: 10 30.3%
  • The West's history negates its claims to be a superior culture.

    Votes: 16 48.5%
  • Society should strive to reduce micro-aggressions.

    Votes: 12 36.4%

  • Total voters
    33

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
This poll is an attempt to discover how many RFers support some common progressive ideas, and which of these ideas are most widely supported here. Many of these are complex ideas, hard to boil down to a short sentence, so I'm requesting that if you support the spirit of a particular idea, but don't like the phrasing of the question, answer yes anyway.

Thanks.
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
I don't agree with a single one. Nothing there I approve even moderately yet alone could say I agree work in circumstance. I find it bizarre that these are core progressive principles and I thought being a progressive wad more enriching than this but it seems worse than I remember
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't agree with a single one. Nothing there I approve even moderately yet alone could say I agree work in circumstance. I find it bizarre that these are core progressive principles and I thought being a progressive wad more enriching than this but it seems worse than I remember
I suspect mischief in the OP.
I have thoughts!
But I won't spoil his fun any further....yet.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I'm a certified progressive (high score on some test here),
but I couldn't find a single box to check. Some were flat
out wrong....others were wrong due to nuanced stuff.

Well again, these are hard ideas to summarize. If you think the basic idea is good, but didn't like the wording in the poll, I'd ask you to say "yes" anyway, thanks.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well again, these are hard ideas to summarize. If you think the basic idea is good, but didn't like the wording in the poll, I'd ask you to say "yes" anyway, thanks.
I'm comfortable checking none.
Otherwise I'd have posted an explanation.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
This poll is an attempt to discover how many RFers support some common progressive ideas, and which of these ideas are most widely supported here. Many of these are complex ideas, hard to boil down to a short sentence, so I'm requesting that if you support the spirit of a particular idea, but don't like the phrasing of the question, answer yes anyway.

Thanks.
could not check any option.

I listen to people that speak well .....with a point
Jordan Peterson is a good example
he will say what is wrong....
and if the status quo is bull****.....he will use that term

I think this world is too thin skinned
not just white, black, red or yellow
THIN skinned

we take our oppressors too seriously and then assume
our efforts are stymied by them

I happen to be a self made man
if one method of upgrade doesn't work....I will go do something else

I don't care how you speak to me.....as long as your brain was engaged when you said it
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Intersectionality theory is a positive tool for change.

I'm not familiar enough with it to say yes or no. No comment.

All cultures merit equal respect.

Absolutely not. I don't see how agreeing with that statement is "progressive" either, because I too often find cultural relativism quite harmful and too tolerant of irrational and dangerous traditions and norms.

There is a patriarchy that oppresses women.

Yes, albeit to varying degrees. Currently, patriarchy in, say, Saudi Arabia or Iran is more deeply entrenched and more powerful than its counterparts in the U.S. and some parts of Europe.

Society should strive to achieve equality of outcome.

If you mean economic equality, then no. I only think society should strive to achieve equal opportunity for success, but someone who has earned multiple PhDs and works 70 hours every week absolutely deserves more wealth than someone who has voluntarily never bothered to pursue a degree and doesn't value work.

Society should restrict hate speech.

Only if it incites violence or harm against anyone. Otherwise "hate speech" is a line so blurry that restricting it treads ground that has proved too shaky and exploitable by corrupt authorities.

Speech codes are a positive influence at universities.

Yes, but contextually. I don't believe in a one-size-fits-all "speech code" for all universities.

Lived experience deserves as much merit as expertise.

Depends, but generally in the case of systematic fields of study and empirically testable statements, no. Anecdotal evidence is no substitute for the scientific method or academic knowledge.

That said, something like social skill is very different from physics or chemistry when we're talking about the above statement, hence my "depends" answer.

Universities are improved when trigger warnings and safe spaces are provided.

Only if trigger warnings and safe spaces aren't expanded beyond necessary limits recommended by professionals in relevant fields, such as psychiatry and psychology.

The West's history negates its claims to be a superior culture.

Only arguably so. I believe that Western culture is, overall, superior to Eastern culture, but that's certainly not due to finding no spotty areas in the history of the West. It's primarily because compared to Eastern culture, the flaws of Western culture don't seem to me to outweigh the good parts enough to make it as bad as Eastern culture on the whole.

Society should strive to reduce micro-aggressions.

Yes, but not based on misconceptions of what a "microaggression" is. Like censorship of "hate speech," this treads risky ground that should be handled very responsibly and carefully, lest it become a tool of oppression and suppression of free speech rather than a tool of social justice.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I don't understand what you mean by progressive.
I only know that in Europe being progressive means to promote secular, egalitarian societies where all cultures coexist pacifically, and all people identify with the same values based upon the respect of fundamental human rights.
Juridic relativism is medieval stuff.
 
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Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I only know that in Europe being progressive means to promote secular, egalitarian societies where all cultures coexist pacifically, [...]

What are your thoughts on coexisting pacifically with a culture that, for instance, encourages FGM or violent authoritarianism?
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
i digress......I note your signature....I saw the movie....
They could both be equally as bad, too. The wording isn't 100% on the poll for me. 'Meaningful' doesn't mean, 'good'; it could mean a lack of meaning - not very meaningful.
I only voted for experience being just as meaningful.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
I find the statements closed ended (non debatable).

Society end hate speech? Who defines what's hate speech? Hate people? Taxes? Old men who fart?

Many statements are saying "what freedom do you think needs to be given up".

As far as patriarchy, any patriarchy suppresses a female(s) by it's very definition.

I could debate each statement, but not as a whole. Clarity is more important than obscurity.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Did you intend to limit your poll options to issues pertaining to social justice? That's pretty narrow bandwidth when it comes to assessing progressive ideas.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
I don't even know what some of these are supposed to mean. For example, I've recently noticed several posts in different threads on 'intersectionality.' Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Sounds like the postmodern lingo that I would have heard on campus over the last decade or so...or maybe my faulty memory has just wiped all that nonsense away...

And as someone else pointed out, these are primarily social justice-related options...nothing about economics, nothing really about rule of law, nothing really about politics and implementation of democracy, nothing about authoritarianism or libertarianism...
 
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