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[ADigitalArtist]

Let's not torture the poor analog.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Consider the idea that all people were equal
could be extended to all cultures being equal

Cultures aren't people, they contain it. Few run around saying Americans are great, they say America is great. And nonconformity to American ideals makes you unamerican to many. In that story people who weren't conforming to the American ideals of that story were the lesser.

(Some of them might have to wear weights
around their necks, eh?)

That's pretty much every justification of removing government aid of any kind in opposite stories. I'm succeeding, why should I share? Let the weak fend for themselves. This stone of helping others burdened with stones is too heavy.

 

[icehorse]

Intersectionality is about individuality, because individuals within a group have different advantages and disadvatages depending on a wide variety of factors which play into their individual experience. As a result, two people from any group will have different factors affecting their experience and how they're viewed as a culture. Intersectionaloty attempts to explore that interplay and reduce generalization, not increase it.

If intersectionality-ists applied the discipline you're describing, I think I'd be less concerned. But what I hear frequently are phrases like:

"As a black woman" or
"As a gay Latino" or
"Because you're a white male"

and so on. This is the sort of group identity orientation that I think is problematic.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

If intersectionality-ists applied the discipline you're describing, I think I'd be less concerned. But what I hear frequently are phrases like:

"As a black woman" or
"As a gay Latino" or
"Because you're a white male"

and so on. This is the sort of group identity orientation that I think is problematic.

To ignore that those things play a factor into your relative position of privilege would be a mistake. But ignoring other factors such as if you have a disability, income level and even how your hobbies are perceived all have impact and intersectionality covers all of those things too. But some are bigger factors than others and race is a big one, especially now.

You can just call then social scientists, I think. Intersectionality is a social studies. Calling them intersectionality-ists or just SJW smacks of 'evolutionists' or 'darwinists.'

 

[Revoltingest]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Cultures aren't people, they contain it. Few run around saying Americans are great, they say America is great. And nonconformity to American ideals makes you unamerican to many. In that story people who weren't conforming to the American ideals of that story were the lesser.

That's pretty much every justification of removing government aid of any kind in opposite stories. I'm succeeding, why should I share? Let the weak fend for themselves. This stone of helping others burdened with stones is too heavy.

You seem determined to disagree with everything.
I won't stop you.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You seem determined to disagree with everything.
I won't stop you.

Aww that's no fun. I give you plenty of frubal for things I do agree with you on. This just isn't one of them. Though I'm sure a common ground exists somewhere in the DMZ between us.

 

[Revoltingest]

Aww that's no fun. I give you plenty of frubal for things I do agree with you on. This just isn't one of them. Though I'm sure a common ground exists somewhere in the DMZ between us.

When even the equalizing weight wearing thing (from
H Bergeron) is misconstrued, I don't know what else to say.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

When even the equalizing weight wearing
thing is misconstrued, I don't know what to say.

You get that Harrison Bergeron is a reduction to extremes right? And I'm merely giving a parallel of extreme to illustrate why I don't think it's any more applicable that the reverse extreme to detractors?

 

[Revoltingest]

You get that Harrison Bergeron is a reduction to extremes right? And I'm merely giving a parallel of extreme to illustrate why I don't think it's any more applicable that the reverse extreme to detractors?

Yup.

 

[icehorse]

To ignore that those things play a factor into your relative position of privilege would be a mistake. But ignoring other factors such as if you have a disability, income level and even how your hobbies are perceived all have impact and intersectionality covers all of those things too. But some are bigger factors than others and race is a big one, especially now.

You can just call then social scientists, I think. Intersectionality is a social studies. Calling them intersectionality-ists or just SJW smacks of 'evolutionists' or 'darwinists.'

I know that in the past we've had difficulty debating each other. That said, I disagree with virtually everything both tacit and explicit in this post of yours. I'll start another thread to discuss this if you want to...

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yup.

Cool. I think we are on the same page then. I think.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I know that in the past we've had difficulty debating each other. That said, I disagree with virtually everything both tacit and explicit in this post of yours. I'll start another thread to discuss this if you want to...

To be honest, don't unless you want to debate it with others. My free time these days is very limited and nine times out of ten I can only access RF through my phone, and most of the time I am here I am doing admin duties. I don't have the time or stamina to debate as much as you would in a new thread. Once again, I'm always okay with agreeing to disagree. Just stating my side, not trying to bring you to it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Cool. I think we are on the same page then. I think.

On some things.