How the Law (doesn't really), define "gender identity"

[mikkel_the_dane]

That's a good example of relativism in action, I think your stance is despicable, and I'm done responding to you in this thread.

Again, can you please according to your own standard in this thread and indeed other ones for objectivite, loigc, evidence and so on, do that for this text of yours about what you apparently claim of a part of reality.

I mean, if you set an in effect universal standard, then it also applies to you. But if it is not universal then just say so.

 

[icehorse]

I'm trying to put everyone's well-being on the same footing where it belongs.

I accept that you think that. But I also think that you've decided to defend gender ideology at all costs, even when it's homophobic or misogynistic. I know you don't think gender ideology is every those things, but sometimes it is, and that's where I criticize it.

Cool, so where is it?

Several times now I've provided examples of 10 men abusing women by taking advantage of ill-conceived gender identity laws. At this point, I've done it so often, that it's a simple copy and paste. So here we go again, for perhaps the 5th time? (I've lost count):

Gender reassignment/affirming surgery

Is this really how you want to try to wiggle out of our conversation where we're examining just one of your examples that you keep citing? You're now going to accuse a woman of "desperately" trying to make it easier for bad men to abuse me? Like, for real? Let me know when you're able to...

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I have no idea what the person meant and I don't have any additional information. What makes you think this judge is entrenched in some kind of "ideology?" It sounds like she's saying the person has transitioned, but who knows.

There are many examples in her testimony, but for now we can focus on "hormones were entirely female". If you know anything about how hormones are created in the body, you know that this simply can never be true.

Seems like this might be an argument in favour of allowing transgender people to use puberty blockers, should they so choose.
You want them to wait until it's too late, and now they're 6'2" muscly man.

Except that puberty blockers are dangerous and there is no good evidence that they help kids with gender dysphoria. Remember "first, do no harm"? Puberty blockers fly in the face of that universal, medical principle of GOOD medicine. The use of puberty blockers to treat GD is bad medicine, driven by ideology, not science.

I"m still waiting for you to respond to my question about 'what does this example even mean" from several pages back now.
But I've given up on that.

You know what? I've gone the extra mile several times to refresh the context of our long conversation. So please, tell me specifically what question you want me to answer, and don't vaguely refer me back "several pages". You have a question in mind, just ask it. Notice that above I re-re-re-posted a link so that you didn't have to search thru this thread. You know, common courtesy

The "evidence" provided is poorly sourced and too spotty in details to make any comments about.
As pointed out, I don't know how many times, before.

I completely disagree with your assessment as to the quality of the evidence that was originally provided by JKR. The names of the perps and the crimes they committed are all quite clear and specific.

You clearly have a lot of time to spend trying to derail this thread. If you actually cared about women, you could spend just a fraction of that time looking into the 11 examples I've provided.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I accept that you think that. But I also think that you've decided to defend gender ideology at all costs, even when it's homophobic or misogynistic. I know you don't think gender ideology is every those things, but sometimes it is, and that's where I criticize it.


Several times now I've provided examples of 10 men abusing women by taking advantage of ill-conceived gender identity laws. At this point, I've done it so often, that it's a simple copy and paste. So here we go again, for perhaps the 5th time? (I've lost count):

Gender reassignment/affirming surgery

Is this really how you want to try to wiggle out of our conversation where we're examining just one of your examples that you keep citing? You're now going to accuse a woman of "desperately" trying to make it easier for bad men to abuse me? Like, for real? Let me know when you're able to...

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There are many examples in her testimony, but for now we can focus on "hormones were entirely female". If you know anything about how hormones are created in the body, you know that this simply can never be true.


Except that puberty blockers are dangerous and there is no good evidence that they help kids with gender dysphoria. Remember "first, do no harm"? Puberty blockers fly in the face of that universal, medical principle of GOOD medicine. The use of puberty blockers to treat GD is bad medicine, driven by ideology, not science.


You know what? I've gone the extra mile several times to refresh the context of our long conversation. So please, tell me specifically what question you want me to answer, and don't vaguely refer me back "several pages". You have a question in mind, just ask it. Notice that above I re-re-re-posted a link so that you didn't have to search thru this thread. You know, common courtesy



I completely disagree with your assessment as to the quality of the evidence that was originally provided by JKR. The names of the perps and the crimes they committed are all quite clear and specific.

You clearly have a lot of time to spend trying to derail this thread. If you actually cared about women, you could spend just a fraction of that time looking into the 11 examples I've provided.

Well, is it real that there are actual bad men? What is your scientific evidence for that? Is it a physical fact, chemical or biological one?

I mean, as far as I can tell what is going on is that you are using your subjective feelings in part. But that is the point in these debates and what you subjectively don't like, because you believe that you are objective in effect for all that you claim. You are only that in a limted sense, just like the rest of us.
So we won't get anywhere until you understand that you are in part subjective like the rest of us. NOTICE IN PART!!!

 

[SkepticThinker]

I accept that you think that. But I also think that you've decided to defend gender ideology at all costs, even when it's homophobic or misogynistic. I know you don't think gender ideology is every those things, but sometimes it is, and that's where I criticize it.

How about we save the psychoanalysis for a qualified individual, okay?

You've not shown anything homophobic or misogynistic about "gender ideology." You've only claimed it and accused others of it.

I am a woman and I hate women. Yep, that's the ticket!

Several times now I've provided examples of 10 men abusing women by taking advantage of ill-conceived gender identity laws. At this point, I've done it so often, that it's a simple copy and paste. So here we go again, for perhaps the 5th time? (I've lost count):

Gender reassignment/affirming surgery

Is this really how you want to try to wiggle out of our conversation where we're examining just one of your examples that you keep citing? You're now going to accuse a woman of "desperately" trying to make it easier for bad men to abuse me? Like, for real? Let me know when you're able to...

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Please stop repeating this. We've been 'round the block on this too many times to count and you're just repeating yourself and beating a dead horse of tweets.

There are many examples in her testimony, but for now we can focus on "hormones were entirely female". If you know anything about how hormones are created in the body, you know that this simply can never be true.

That seems to be the only part of her testimony we have available to us. I don't know what she means and I have no idea what her views on gender ideology are.

Except that puberty blockers are dangerous and there is no good evidence that they help kids with gender dysphoria.

In your opinion. You've just given us a case where it sounds like puberty blockers would have been ideal.
Make up your mind.

Remember "first, do no harm"? Puberty blockers fly in the face of that universal, medical principle of GOOD medicine. The use of puberty blockers to treat GD is bad medicine, driven by ideology, not science.

Doing nothing to help a trans person who is in distress is causing harm.

Do you have any training in psychology or psychiatry?

You know what? I've gone the extra mile several times to refresh the context of our long conversation. So please, tell me specifically what question you want me to answer, and don't vaguely refer me back "several pages". You have a question in mind, just ask it. Notice that above I re-re-re-posted a link so that you didn't have to search thru this thread. You know, common courtesy

No you haven't.

I've already extended oodles of common courtesy to you on this one. You didn't accept it the first time, while we were in the thick of that conversation so I don't feel like wasting my time on it again.

I've already asked my question and you didn't answer it. I'm not trying again.

I completely disagree with your assessment as to the quality of the evidence that was originally provided by JKR. The names of the perps and the crimes they committed are all quite clear and specific.

Sorry but I don't think vague Tweets count as "quality evidence."

You clearly have a lot of time to spend trying to derail this thread. If you actually cared about women, you could spend just a fraction of that time looking into the 11 examples I've provided.

You got me again! I'm trying to derail all your threads. That's not paranoid at all. Nope.

Also I'm a woman and I don't care about women! Like, totally. You've totally got me pegged. Down with women, amirite?!

 

[icehorse]

How about we save the psychoanalysis for a qualified individual, okay?

No psychoanalysis, just assessing your posts. And your posts consistently show you bending over backwards to defend gender ideology to the point of seeming to be disingenuous.

You've not shown anything homophobic or misogynistic about "gender ideology."

Please stop repeating this. We've been 'round the block on this too many times to count and you're just repeating yourself and beating a dead horse of tweets.

You continue to ask for evidence and you continue to dodge the evidence you're given.

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I don't think we can have a productive conversation at this point. Have a fine day.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No psychoanalysis, just assessing your posts. And your posts consistently show you bending over backwards to defend gender ideology to the point of seeming to be disingenuous.

LOL Now you're claiming I'm disingenuous. This just gets more fun as we go.

Cool, so just to be clear, I'm a homophobe, a misogynist and seemingly disingenuous to boot. I'm on a roll!

You continue to ask for evidence and you continue to dodge the evidence you're given.

We both know that's a mischaracterization of how this has gone down. Anyone who has the ability to scroll up can see that for themselves, including you.

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I don't think we can have a productive conversation at this point. Have a fine day.

Not if you're going to keep falling back on name-calling, it isn't.