How the Political Left Denies Basic Science With Regard to Gender

[Salvador]

I suspect Transgenderism is such a rare abnormality, that I'd most unlikely have to ever be concerned about crossing paths with any of them. I've passed by some family restrooms where I suppose almost anybody is welcome to use.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree with you however, how about when a man claims to be a woman and wants to use the girl's bathroom? Or if a male student decided he wants to a female just to be able to get in the girl's locker room? The biggest victims in this whole "transgender" (i am using quotes because i do not believe it a real thing) are women, who the left are supposedly trying to protect. As a father, i would be the crap out of a dude if i saw him in the same locker room or bathroom with any of my daughters, i would make sure I did not beat him too bad to make sure i don't go to jail though

You should consider the consequences of assaulting someone.
It would warrant being prosecuted & imprisoned....even if you
ended up getting beaten up yourself & losing the fight.
You could even get yourself shot in front of your daughter.
It sounds like a really bad idea for everyone around you.

 

[Earthtank]

Not this crap again. Haven't I and others been over this with you before? I think we have. There's no evidence of that happening. It's paranoid nonsense coming from your own wild imagination. And I'm a trans guy and I always use the men's room. You'd never know. Same with a lot of trans women in the women's room. I suggest you get over it and mind your business.

The only reason you say "there's no evidence" is probably because you have not been looking for or seen it (or probably purposefully avoiding it). Took me less than 20 seconds to search it on google. And this is only one case of many others.

Sorry, this is not to be disrespectful but, you are not a trans guy as there is no empirical nor objective evidence giving rise to such a word, unless its used in a medical sense, i think the term is gender dysphoria or something. You are simply a female that's subjectively decided to be a man with 0 evidence to support it.

Man who says he’s ‘female’ enters women’s bathroom, sexually assaults 10-year-old girl

 

[Earthtank]

You should consider the consequences of assaulting someone.
You would deserve to be prosecuted & imprisoned....even if you
ended up getting beaten up yourself & losing the fight. You
could even get yourself shot in front of your daughter. It sounds
like a really bad idea.

It's also a bad idea to support strange men (as in strangers) by giving them a blanket approval to enter women's bathrooms simply based off their feelings but, that hasn't stopped them from doing it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The only reason you say "there's no evidence" is probably because you have not been looking for or seen it (or probably purposefully avoiding it). Took me less than 20 seconds to search it on google. And this is only one case of many others.

Sorry, this is not to be disrespectful but, you are not a trans guy as there is no empirical nor objective evidence giving rise to such a word, unless its used in a medical sense, i think the term is gender dysphoria or something. You are simply a female that's subjectively decided to be a man with 0 evidence to support it.

Man who says he’s ‘female’ enters women’s bathroom, sexually assaults 10-year-old girl

Don't try to tell me who I am. I'm a transsexual man and I've been well into my transition for years. I might as well say you're a female since there's no evidence to support what you say about yourself. I've been on here for years and there's plenty of pics of me. I'm known on this site. Who are you?

I don't accept Life Site News as a source as it's a far-right hate rag.

 

[David1967]

So how many genders do you believe in?

Two. However, I don't know how you would classify a person born with both sex organs.

 

[Earthtank]

Don't try to tell me who I am. I'm a transsexual man and I've been well into my transition for years. I might as well say you're a female since there's no evidence to support what you say about yourself. I've been on here for years and there's plenty of pics of me. I'm known on this site. Who are you?

I don't accept Life Site News as a source as it's a far-right hate rag.

I actually have nothing to do with right but, feel free to continue your ad hominem attacks in the face of reality if that's how you tend to do with facts. Whether you say i am male or female is irrelevant, and if i claim to be male or female i can objectively and scientifically prove that i am one of the 2 using any and every credible level of evidence needed to do so however, you can't do the same. I am sorry if i have annoyed you as that was not my intention, i was simply stating facts.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I actually have nothing to do with right but, feel free to continue your ad hominem attacks in the face of reality if that's how you tend to do with facts. Whether you say i am male or female is irrelevant, and if i claim to be male or female i can objectively and scientifically prove that i am one of the 2 using any and every credible level of evidence needed to do so however, you can't do the same. I am sorry if i have annoyed you as that was not my intention, i was simply stating facts.

I was obviously referring to the source you used.

 

[Earthtank]

I was obviously referring to the source you used.

oh then, i apologize for my misunderstanding. There are other news sources that have reported other cases as well.

 

[sun rise]

my culture has recognised transpeople for 6,000 years.

Both Native Americans and people in India have identified such people for a long long time.

abnormality

I guess you get to use that word since I've identified Trump as a dangerous abnormality along with members of the Trump cult.

I don't know how you would classify a person born with both sex organs.

They don't exist according to the OP but they are called intersex.

 

[sun rise]

And by the way, this thread insults a number of people who are on RF by saying that their orientation does not exist or is at best an abnormality.

And citing that one person pretended to be trans to assault someone is the same argument I make about taking guns away from everyone because one person (actually many many) abused guns. So let's grab all the guns in America.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

OK, so what happens if someone isn't either XX or XY?

If someone is XY, but has androgen insensitivity, has been raised as a girl (because that's the appearance) only to find out (often as a teenager) that they are genetically XY, do you allow them to use the women's bathroom or start to require them to use the men's?

The point is that these are *social* questions, not questions of biology. They are questions of how people, often in bad situations, are treated in this society.

I'd say that in your scenario, the person can use the women's bathroom. But that isn't the issue I was referring to. The issue is dozens of recently invented genders being presented as being objectively real in the classroom.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's also a bad idea to support strange men (as in strangers) by giving them a blanket approval to enter women's bathrooms simply based off their feelings but, that hasn't stopped them from doing it.

Is this to justify the assault?
How often is it a problem that a guy is in a
women's room, & cops come to enforce a law?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It allegedly goes against science, yet I've read tons of science (including medicine) stuff that does support the general claims of the Left and a sizeable chunk of the Right.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is this to justify the assault?
How often is it a problem that a guy is in a
women's room, & cops come to enforce a law?

As far as I know, the collateral damage, last I knew, of enforcing legal or birth sex i the bathroom, has has cis gendered women who are more masculine getting stopped amd harassed.

 

[Revoltingest]

As far as I know, the collateral damage, last I knew, of enforcing legal or birth sex i the bathroom, has has cis gendered women who are more masculine getting stopped amd harassed.

That's what I've read in the news too.
It seems a solution which creates rather than solves a problem.

 

[McBell]

When I was a college undergrad at a fairly liberal university, I took a required class in which students were taught to recognize that there are more than two genders. This was presented as factual, and pronouns referring to other genders besides male and female were introduced. Obviously I had some objection to this at the time, but it did not occur to me until several years later how absurd and appalling it is that students are actually being taught even at the public university level that fictional genders exist. Now, to be clear, I have no problem with people who do not want to identify as being "male" or "female." It is their right to identify with a fictional gender that exists only in their imagination, but it is also my right to point out that fictional genders are not a biological reality. Perhaps there is some alien planet in which more than two genders exist, but, on earth, there are males, females, and, in exceedingly rare cases, hermaphrodites, or people who are born with ambiguous genitalia. However, many people on the left believe that the scientifically erroneous claim that there are many distinct and objectively real genders should be taught in public schools. It is appalling to me that the people on the political left want fiction to be presented to children as fact. It is just as bad as the political right wanting the fictional creation story of Genesis to be presented as fact or as an "alternative theory" in public schools. I notice that the political left (with regard to gender) is quite similar to the political right with regard to creation/evolution in the following ways:

(1) Like creationists, many liberals believe that the fictional genders that they invented should be presented as objective fact or at least as a valid alternate theory in schools.

(2) Like creationists, when people point out that they are obviously scientifically incorrect, they become overly emotional and angry since they have no way to rationally or scientifically defend the existence of their fictional genders.

(3) Like creationists, they claim that they are "victims" whose ideas are being suppressed when they are shown to be wrong.

I don't expect this to be a popular thread. But it needs to be made. The political left is clearly not pro-science. They are only pro-science when the science leans toward what they want to believe. For instance, the left supports science with regard to climate change, since the evidence is pretty strong that the climate is changing, and the left wants to believe in climate change (I'd argue it's not quite as strong as the evidence for evolution or continental drift, for instance, but that's another discussion). Similarly, the left supports science with regard to evolution (and evolution IS a scientific fact). But, sadly, the reason that they support evolutionary science is not because they care about truth, but because they don't like religion, and so are eager to support facts that align with their pre-established likes and dislikes. But, if science ever runs the risk of hurting someone's feelings, they are quick to deny it. This can be seen by the recent invention of fictional genders and the outrageous presentation of them to students as being objectively real. The "science" of gender identities is as much of a science as "creation science". In other words, it is not science at all.

I have no doubt that many people will be angry about this thread. That's a typical reaction of people who base their beliefs on emotions and whims rather than evidence and in this case, facts that are quite obvious. It is somewhat analagous to the reaction of fundamentalist Christians when I point out that the creation story of Genesis is fictional.

Define "gender"

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's what I've read in the news too.
It seems a solution which creates rather than solves a problem.

Yeah. People are so sure of themselves in their ability to just see it that it leads to some embarrassing situations for them amd frustrating for cis people, particularly and especially women. I don't hear of such things happening to cis men nearly as frequently or as often. But, every once in awhile, a woman who was born female will basically get told she looks like a dude by some "well intentioned" wanker who sees themselves as enforcers of morality and decency.

 

[Left Coast]

The only reason you say "there's no evidence" is probably because you have not been looking for or seen it (or probably purposefully avoiding it). Took me less than 20 seconds to search it on google. And this is only one case of many others.

Sorry, this is not to be disrespectful but, you are not a trans guy as there is no empirical nor objective evidence giving rise to such a word, unless its used in a medical sense, i think the term is gender dysphoria or something. You are simply a female that's subjectively decided to be a man with 0 evidence to support it.

Man who says he’s ‘female’ enters women’s bathroom, sexually assaults 10-year-old girl

Since you're so interested in empirical facts, I assume you know that anecdotal evidence is the sh*ttiest evidence one can use to establish a trend. The reality is, in the places where we allow trans people to use the bathroom of their choice, we don't see any empirically verifiable trend of people being assaulted as a function of these laws. If anything, nationally the trend we see is that trans people (particularly trans women) tend to disproportionately be victims of violent crime, not perps.

Secondly, assault is just as illegal now as it was before these laws passed.

Third, transgender is a term accepted and used in the medical community, and the empirical evidence that someone is trans is neuroscientific. Since you're proficient at Google, I presume this should be simple enough for you to look up.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/09540261.2015.1113163?scroll=top&needAccess=true&

Transgender Health - AMSA

Exclusionary bathroom policies harm transgender students’ health

 

[The Hammer]

Masculinity and femininity are partially social constructs and partially biological realities. But that's off-topic anyway.

No, they are fully social, no partiality about it.