tarasan
Well-Known Member
well some dieties are physical...
but ill assume you mean immaterial, which means he isnt a spegetti monster, wether he adores it not, he isnt made out of spegetti so teh title is misleading.
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How the term "Creationist" has been hijacked
- Thread starter Rainbow Mage
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well some dieties are physical...
but ill assume you mean immaterial, which means he isnt a spegetti monster, wether he adores it not, he isnt made out of spegetti so teh title is misleading.
DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
No, but he came down to Earth as the greatest food ever, noodles, which is why we portray him as noodly, just like Christians portray God as some bearded old guy. Spaghetti is just our weak human way of understanding him.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
you not answering my question in an obvious manner is he made of noodles or isnt he?
DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
Does God look like a human or doesn't he?
tarasan
Well-Known Member
Ive already answered that question in this forum come on dietyslayer....
like I said before in hermonutics (there is an "e" in there somewhere...) we take the clearer texts first before we interpret the hazy ones in John 4. 24 directly states that God is spirit so whenever genesis talks about God making us in his image he was talking about making us with a soul.
DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
Yeah, so the FSM made us with a soul; but his noodliness is but an image he presents to us.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
awesome now where did you get that from? or did you just make it up? as well as the fact you just contradicted what alot of people have said on this thread without any justification.
ohhh and dont think i didnt know what you did diety..... asking what my faith believed then encorperating that in your statement thats cheeky!! :angel2:
DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
The irony being Christianity, as well as religion in general, contradicts itself also to an incredible degree.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
did you read what you underlined? I said with no justification, Christians yes disagree with each other just like philosphers disagree on certian subjects, however they always are required to back it up with evidence/ logic for thier cliam you, as well as everyone on this thread have done neither, ultimately I could leave it here and say that all religion jusifies itself to some degree especially if their conradticition what another person is saying you guys havnt.
we have evidence/arguements for our perspective religions, you guys dont.
we have reasons to believe that our God is real you guys dont, mostly because we know its a satyr, people in this thread have admitted its a satyr etc.
DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
Why don't we use a more 'realistic' example. How about the Greek pantheon of gods? How do you disprove those?
tarasan
Well-Known Member
lol sure thing nice to know you retreated
Greek pantheon is easy firstly they arnt really gods they dont have a creation myth the greeks thought the universe was eternal.
also occams razor would best sort them out why would there need to be more than one God? that something that a greek panthiest would need to answer.
DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
lol sure thing nice to know you retreated
Greek pantheon is easy firstly they arnt really gods they dont have a creation myth the greeks thought the universe was eternal.
also occams razor would best sort them out why would there need to be more than one God? that something that a greek panthiest would need to answer.
Occam's razor would also sort out the Christian God, because it just adds a further complication.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
justify your statement please! I said having multiple god's while one is efficent cuts down on the premises regarding more than one God, however to make your statement viable you must show me how God isnt neccessary/is too complicated.
DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
God is 'required' because complexity requires a designer. However, a designer would have to be even more complex, so assuming something that complex can just 'exist' while something as relatively simple as the Universe must be created is not logical.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
of course its logical, God is spirit or as craig states a "disembodied mind".
as a mind he has no parts or needs no laws to keep him under control, so while he may have complex thoughts and ideas, he doesn't need to be assembled with matter, or organised into a shape, he doesnt need the laws that keep him together or anything like that so he is incredibly simple compared to the universe.
and i see your dawkins fan
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Don't read the Bible much?
Matthew:
21Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. 22If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
John 14:
12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Matthew 18:
19"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven.
*waits for Tarasan to explain how the Bible means the opposite of what it says*
DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
of course its logical, God is spirit or as craig states a "disembodied mind".
as a mind he has no parts or needs no laws to keep him under control, so while he may have complex thoughts and ideas, he doesn't need to be assembled with matter, or organised into a shape, he doesnt need the laws that keep him together or anything like that so he is incredibly simple compared to the universe.
and i see your dawkins fan
A sentient consciousness is far, far more complex than any arrangement or existence of matter/energy.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
why yes i do! thank you for the concern! i however have done training in interpretation and the rules in which we operate interpretation, I have actually sighted some in this thread! one of which ill be using now, which is we always use clearer verses to help interpret hazy verses!
firstly il emphasis John because this is the clearest verse you have given me, ohh and just for reference its good if you dont nit pic verses like this because it can rob the verse of its true meaning, just for your info.
lets look at verse 12 in the john verse u have selected, it says anyone who has faith in me will do what i have been doing, so if you have faith you will follow christs example and do it, it then says that if you as anything IN MY NAME and i will do it, which means if you do ask anything representing me and I will do it, like how we do something in someones name. this means that whatever we ask will be given to us if we are representing jesus Christ, now if we arnt then we dont, that simple.
ohhh and try and belittle me in a message again and i wont respond, im not here to be belittled by you and considering the respect ive given you in our exchanges i expect you to be courtious....
*waits for Tarasan to explain how the Bible means the opposite of what it says*
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DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
I was unaware that peace, having enough food to prevent starvation, clean water and no droughts were not representative of Jesus Christ in the case of the devout Christians in Sub-Saharan Africa.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
have you actually met any of the christians out there? they are far happier and live much more fulfilled lives than we do! and they live in mud huts with bad water! you go over there i just dare you and ask those people what God has given them, and invite me cause i wanna see the look on your face.