How the Victimhood Culture is Teaching People to View Others as Good or Evil

[ADigitalArtist]

She went to the wrong authorities.

She was actually told by the university to not go to the police, that they wouldn't believe her and it would just make it worse for her. Today she knows better, but back then she was scared and, unfortunately incorrectly, thought the university would help.

 

[Shad]

She was actually told by the university to not go to the police, that they wouldn't believe her and it would just make it worse for her. Today she knows better, but back then she was scared and, unfortunately incorrectly, thought the university would help.

Just.... wow. That advice was just plain stupid.

 

[PureX]

Oh so, this "culture" is just the universal human condition,
and the USA is in no way overdoing it.

Please learn to read what is written. I can't respond to these bizarre nonsensical interpretations that have nothing to do with what I wrote. What I wrote is that we are living in a culture that believes in the Darwinist ideal of existential competition. And because we believe in it, we have created a society and culture that exemplifies this belief. A culture that 'victimizes' everyone in it as it forces us all to contend and compete with each other to be winners and losers, rather than cooperators for everyone's mutual benefit.

 

[Audie]

Please learn to read what is written. I can't respond to these bizarre nonsensical interpretations that have nothing to do with what I wrote. What I wrote is that we are living in a culture that believes in the Darwinist ideal of existential competition. And because we believe in it, we have created a society and culture that exemplifies this belief. A culture that 'victimizes' everyone in it as it forces us all to contend and compete with each other to be winners and losers, rather than cooperators for everyone's mutual benefit.

Oh, I can read fine. Naturally you get testy,
having all the ponderous pseudo-profundity
pared from your prose. It gets downright vapid
sans the obscurantism.

I know what you wrote, you just condensed it a bit
here. No need to, I already did that for you.

I see a couple of people took time to say they liked
my condensation.

The USA is not unique in being a society thst embodies
the universal human condition. Simple.

Present as you please, that it is different but you is preachin' to
a choir of one.

 

[Revoltingest]

We exist in a culture of victimization because it is a main tenet of our culture that we humans must and should compete with each other for the opportunity to fulfill our own existence. Because we believe that there should be 'winners' and 'losers', the free and the subjugated, there are winners and losers among us, and the free and the subjugated. Pretending that this is not so is delusional. Blaming the victims is part of the victimization culture.

I often hear this used as an argument against Darwinian evolution? Is this your meaning?

 

[Kapalika]

She was actually told by the university to not go to the police, that they wouldn't believe her and it would just make it worse for her. Today she knows better, but back then she was scared and, unfortunately incorrectly, thought the university would help.

This still happens today, particularly when the rapist is someone important on the school's athletic team. It happens a lot. It's also why I don't believe this "victim culture" nonsense, there is more of a culture of "boys will be boys" and "she must of wanted it".

 

[PureX]

I often hear this used as an argument against Darwinian evolution? Is this your meaning?

What I wrote is what I meant. Our culture embodies in the Darwinian ideal that competition is fundamental to existence, and because most of us believe this, our culture has become the expression of it. That is we are all being forced to contend and compete with each other for our individual livelihood and well-being. Rather than cooperating and sharing with each other for our individual AND collective livelihood and well-being. Our culture has become the embodiment of mutual exploitation and subjugation, through violence if and when necessary. Which basically makes both victims and perpetrators of us all.

 

[Audie]

What I wrote is what I meant. Our culture embodies in the Darwinian ideal that competition is fundamental to existence, and because most of us believe this, our culture has become the expression of it. That is we are all being forced to contend and compete with each other for our individual livelihood and well-being. Rather than cooperating and sharing with each other for our individual AND collective livelihood and well-being. Our culture has become the embodiment of mutual exploitation and subjugation, through violence if and when necessary. Which basically makes both victims and perpetrators of us all.

And nobody else is or ever was like that, competing.

"Darwinian ideal" is nonsense. A theory of
biology has nothing to do with "ideals".

Of course, those who knoweth not of Darwin ot
ecology wont get it that cooperation, non- competitive
arrangements, mutually benrficial arrangements,
altruism, and interdependance among all members
of an ecosystem-or human society- are of far greater
significane than the crude facile notion of "Darwinian"
struggle, "Nature Red in Tooth and Claw".

But hey, ya got "philosophy" which circumvents
unhandy things like that.

 

[Revoltingest]

What I wrote is what I meant. Our culture embodies in the Darwinian ideal that competition is fundamental to existence, and because most of us believe this, our culture has become the expression of it. That is we are all being forced to contend and compete with each other for our individual livelihood and well-being. Rather than cooperating and sharing with each other for our individual AND collective livelihood and well-being. Our culture has become the embodiment of mutual exploitation and subjugation, through violence if and when necessary. Which basically makes both victims and perpetrators of us all.

Do you oppose Darwinian evolution?

 

[PureX]

Do you oppose Darwinian evolution?

I believe it's time for we humans to let go of our animal past and the Darwinian ideal from which we came, and begin to look and act toward our future as human beings; as transcendent beings; transcending from mere animals acting on genetically generated instinct to something more, and something better; to something belonging to the realm of the Divine rather than the realm of the material. I don't "oppose" the Darwinian ideal of evolution any more than I "oppose" gravity. I simply assert that we humans are meant to transcend the limitations of such material/mechanical phenomena. So let us please begin actively doing so. Otherwise, we're going to choke to death on our own willful greed, ignorance, violence, and self-inflicted suffering. And I do not believe that this is the destiny of our species.

 

[Audie]

I believe it's time for we humans to let go of our animal past and the Darwinian ideal from which we came, and begin to look and act toward our future as human beings; as transcendent beings; transcending from mere animals acting on genetically generated instinct to something more, and something better; to something belonging to the realm of the Divine rather than the realm of the material. I don't "oppose" the Darwinian ideal of evolution any more than I "oppose" gravity. I simply assert that we humans are meant to transcend the limitations of such material/mechanical phenomena. So let us please begin actively doing so. Otherwise, we're going to choke to death on our own willful greed, ignorance, violence, and self-inflicted suffering. And I do not believe that this is the destiny of our species.

No, you dont oppose the "Darwinian Ideal of Evolution".
Whatever you imagine that to be.

You invented it. There is no such thing.

Sorry-ah, there is no "us", either, not,to go actively
trsnscending off with you to where ever you thimk
"we" ( you ) are meant to go.

 

[PureX]

No, you dont oppose the "Darwinian Ideal of Evolution".
Whatever you imagine that to be.

You invented it. There is no such thing.

Sorry-ah, there is no "us", either, not,to go actively
trsnscending off with you to where ever you thimk
"we" ( you ) are meant to go.

I'm happy that I can provide you with a 'foil' of some sort, though I have no idea what you're actually on about. Or even why.

 

[Audie]

I'm happy that I can provide you with a 'foil' of some sort, though I have no idea what you're actually on about. Or even why.

No you are not. You are just saying that,
same as you just say things like
"Darwinian ideal" as if they exist outside
your imagination.

It might be that you've no idea what I
am taliking about, for all that my words
are plain and brief enough.

You dont know what you are saying,
either.

 

[Mister Emu]

So I have some feelings and misgivings at what I see as a growing intolerance for victim blaming called 'weakness and fragility' or 'victim complex.'

I think there is a reasonable middle ground that exists between telling sexual assault victims to toughen up and a culture where gaining in social status is based on being a victim or being victims' inquisitors.

As with the immune system analogy Haidt offered, saying we shouldn't sanitize every surface for our child doesn't mean we don't take active measures against staph infections.

There are some things you need to deal with directly, some you need to endure, and some you need to have the authorities handle.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I think there is a reasonable middle ground that exists between telling sexual assault victims to toughen up and a culture where gaining in social status is based on being a victim or being victims' inquisitors.

As with the immune system analogy Haidt offered, saying we shouldn't sanitize every surface for our child doesn't mean we don't take active measures against staph infections.

There are some things you need to deal with directly, some you need to endure, and some you need to have the authorities handle.

Theres obviously going to be a great deal of difference of opinion on what amounts to too much sanitation. But from where I'm sitting with more and more turning towards Trump style thinking, Reddit and Twitter communities, and the general atmosphere of American counterculture, we are doing a lot more embracing bullying and low empathy than finding a reasonable middle ground.

 

[osgart]

I suppose maybe people should make laws for themselves and then live by those laws.

Its a necessary thing to draw common ground with others, but on some things you just cant.

A liberal and a conservative will always be opposed to each other. Outrage is unavoidable. In the middle are people not totally on board with either side.

To me to be a conservative is to say i have no responsibility toward other people, and plutocracy ruled only by economic factors is how things should go. Only the strong survive.

To me being a liberal means that americans have responsibilities to all other americans, and you cant just let the poor, and disabled rot and die in the streets. Diversities, and differences are celebrated. People are not judged by their circumstances.