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How to bring fresh water and food to those that are starving in Developing countries?

cablescavenger

Well-Known Member
And how do you plan on doing that? Telling them to stop making babies and hope they listen?

Are you making me responsible for world hunger. I think I will pass.

This is the problem. Here are the densest populations by country, This is a discussion of the stats and issues surrounding world hunger.

There are a number of things which need to be put in place but for me population control is an obvious one to put forward, and is kinder than watching swathes of the population starve to death.
 

Shermana

Heretic
Are you making me responsible for world hunger. I think I will pass.

This is the problem. Here are the densest populations by country, This is a discussion of the stats and issues surrounding world hunger.

There are a number of things which need to be put in place but for me population control is an obvious one to put forward, and is kinder than watching swathes of the population starve to death.

Excuse me? You said population control. I asked you in other words how to implement it.
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
population control is quite easy - just withdraw all aid money to certain countries and let the numbers dwindle due to natural circumstances.

seems a fair way of doing things.
 

Shermana

Heretic
population control is quite easy - just withdraw all aid money to certain countries and let the numbers dwindle due to natural circumstances.

seems a fair way of doing things.

I don't think the Aid money even gets consumed by the general populace, if anything that will reduce the size of the families of the ruling elite only.
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
ok, yes that is true!

well, we should stop aid money for sure then - as it seems to be a general consensus these days that it only helps the corrupt rich.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
ok, yes that is true!

well, we should stop aid money for sure then - as it seems to be a general consensus these days that it only helps the corrupt rich.

This is a great exaggeration. There are many programs that have helped people in large numbers.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
population control is quite easy - just withdraw all aid money to certain countries and let the numbers dwindle due to natural circumstances.

Population control is less of an issue then the unfair distribution of wealth.

There is enough food and wealth for everyone to eat, be educated, and be basic medical attention.

When women are given the right to control their own reproduction and infant mortality drops, the birth rate goes down naturally.
 

cablescavenger

Well-Known Member
Well what I should have said: "How would you implement that suggestion if you had the power"

This link shows that China already has something in place and you can see that India are trying to reinforce population control through culture and persuasion.

For most countries (not just for poor countries) population control needs to be part and parcel of the culture, as does free contraception and sterilisation, obviously some countries will find that harder to deliver than others, and I think population control should be where Aid is targeted because that will ultimately save more lives than it costs by preventing them from being born and creating a sustainable population.

This is only one issue, as was mentioned in the articles supplied there are other reasons, and all avenues need to be explored, but I thoink population growth is a problem for everyone. It was apparent when I was a child and is still apparent now.
 

Shermana

Heretic
China's policy is going to be disastrous not just for all the men who cant get a mate but for its retiring folk, they are facing a drastic UNDERpopulation problem. It will be like 4-8 pensioners for every worker soon.

No other country on Earth I can foresee tolerating a one-child policy. It's a very China-specific unique approach. Not even if you paid them to.
 

cablescavenger

Well-Known Member
China's policy is going to be disastrous not just for all the men who cant get a mate but for its retiring folk, they are facing a drastic UNDERpopulation problem. It will be like 4-8 pensioners for every worker soon.

No other country on Earth I can foresee tolerating a one-child policy. It's a very China-specific unique approach. Not even if you paid them to.

I can't find anything to back up your 4 in 8 figure. It is not the figure being touted by the US and th UN.

The one child policy is not a blanket rule and applies to about 35% of the population.

It is predicted that by 2020 11.8% of the population will be over 65 (not the 50% you are proposing).

11.8% is lower than many current population percentages including the US, UK and Canda.
 

Shermana

Heretic
I can't find anything to back up your 4 in 8 figure. It is not the figure being touted by the US and th UN.
This was one of my sources, may be out of date, maybe not. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...rs/2006/03/chinas_underpopulation_crisis.html It says there will be over 250 million people over 65 by 2020, and I was talking even further in the future than that. With that, the "official" figures may be a bit skewed, as Slate suggests, many investors start pulling away from China when population issues come into play. I was however way, way off about the 4-8 thing, I wasn't remembering correctly. The figure estimated is more like about 10:7 and that includes children. If anything I may have it backwards and it's 4:1 workers per old person, so that's my bad.
Second, by 2050, every 10 Chinese workers will support seven Chinese who are too young or too old to work, according to Goldman Sachs. Even that projection is based on the optimistic assumption that the central government will soon persuade its citizens to work until they are 64. The Deutsche Bank study includes a warning from the International Monetary Fund that the transition from the current pension system to a more sustainable one could cost developing China $100 billion, not including the financial burden on local governments. ,
The one child policy is not a blanket rule and applies to about 35% of the population.
Rural families are allowed a few children if they are daughters from what I understand.

It is predicted that by 2020 11.8% of the population will be over 65 (not the 50% you are proposing). 11.8% is lower than many current population percentages including the US, UK and Canda.
I'm actually referring to even further than 2020, but I will take a look at different sources.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I am surprised that you would post something like this.

The Life expectancy has increased and the green revolution has stopped famines. You can't really believe this. I am sure that if British soldiers cut off your fingers to stop your family textile industry you would have a different view.

Your surprise might have a lot to do with the poorly-implied sarcasm!
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Good ! I have always saw us as kindred spirits in the area of politics.

Haha, me too. Sometimes I feel optimistic and sometimes pessimistic about the human race and all, but I never let feelings of pessimism justify the purposeful doing of harm to people under the title of 'lesser evil'.
 
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