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How to convert a Hindu

Aum_425

Disciple
True "conversion" should only occur through actually living the teachings you are preaching. If people are truly inspired and believe in your example, and more importantly the teachings which you are exemplifying, then they will want to learn.

Problems come when people are more interested in what others are doing rather than themselves, rather than their own actions. Attempting to find some sense of security, some feeling of rightness, they focus heavily on "teaching" while they themselves have not learned.

Just a thought.

Jai Maa!
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
True "conversion" should only occur through actually living the teachings you are preaching. If people are truly inspired and believe in your example, and more importantly the teachings which you are exemplifying, then they will want to learn.

Problems come when people are more interested in what others are doing rather than themselves, rather than their own actions. Attempting to find some sense of security, some feeling of rightness, they focus heavily on "teaching" while they themselves have not learned.

Just a thought.

Jai Maa!

An accurate thought I think, and it applies to many, regardless of faith. There are many old sayings like 'Practice what you preach', and 'talk the talk, but not walk the walk'.

Only a jnani can truly speak of jnana, in it's original sense. These days it's been distorted in many ways, particularly in intellectual attempts. Thee is a thread on here somewhere about why people come to RF.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Funny little Kipling poem I discovered in my wanderings ... Now it is not good / For the Christian’s health / To hustle the Aryan brown, / For the Christian riles / And the Aryan smiles / And he wearth the Christian down; / And the end of the fight / Is tombstone white / With the name of the late deceased, / And the epitaph drear, / “A fool lies here / Who tried to hustle the East.” – From The Naulahka by Rudyard Kipling
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I am just saying that charity might be one of the more reasonable ways to convert.

I mean, at least they are giving something usefull and not only crap (that they think its the most useful bit)

The ends don't justify the means according to Sri Krishna.

That gift which is given out of duty, at the proper time and place, to a worthy person, and without expectation of return, is considered to be charity in the mode of goodness. Bhagavad Gita 17.20

But charity performed with the expectation of some return, or with a desire for fruitive results, or in a grudging mood, is said to be charity in the mode of passion. Bhagavad Gita 17.21
 

bp789

Member
Here's an article (kinda long) about the tensions between Hindus and Christians in Karnataka. http://birdindia.org/xhtmlphp/birdactivities.php

Summarized, the Pentecostal and other evangelical Christian groups have been involved in distributing anti-Hindu literature that denigrate Hindu deities and say how not converting to Christianity will send you to hell, and they've been targeting the poor especially. This is leading to much anger among some Hindus. Not only Hindus, this is also affecting the Mangalorean Catholic community because they're not involved in the "harvesting for souls" brigade, but some Hindus can't tell the difference between the denominations, so there are unnecessary tensions between those groups, even though Hindus and Catholics have been living harmoniously. Catholics are also worrying about Catholics being influenced by conservative Pentecostal groups, an example being some Catholics were protesting celebrating Onam (a Hindu festival) in the church.
 
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Ashoka

श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
Here's an article (kinda long) about the tensions between Hindus and Christians in Karnataka. BIRD : Bangalore Initiative for Religious Dialouge :: Activities

Summarized, the Pentecostal and other evangelical Christian groups have been involved in distributing anti-Hindu literature that denigrate Hindu deities and say how not converting to Christianity will send you to hell, and they've been targeting the poor especially. This is leading to much anger among some Hindus. Not only Hindus, this is also affecting the Mangalorean Catholic community because they're not involved in the "harvesting for souls" brigade, but some Hindus can't tell the difference between the denominations, so there are unnecessary tensions between those groups, even though Hindus and Catholics have been living harmoniously. Catholics are also worrying about Catholics being influenced by conservative Pentecostal groups, an example being some Catholics were protesting celebrating Onam (a Hindu festival) in the church.

The fact that they target the poor, weak and defenseless really upsets me.
 

Satyamavejayanti

Well-Known Member
After my recent visit to Fiji, i had noticed that the Hindus i met and those who i stayed with, almost all of them (maybe 15 families i visited) had a copy of the Bible sitting next to the Gita or Ramayan.

I asked my mother in law of why she has the bible (in her home shrine, next to the Shiv Ling), the reply was that the church people when door knocking told her they can help with any money problems, and gave her some money to pay off bills, and in return the Christians came to her place and did a prayer and gave her a bible and invited her to the local church for Sunday prayers, she attends church every Sunday now, i asked her if she has read the bible and she says she reads it nearly every night before going to bed, then i asked if she has read the Gita (also in her home shrine), and the answer was in the negative.
When i asked why have you not read the Gita, she said that no one has ever explained it to her in simple language, and i don't understand it, but the Christians explain the bible in simple Hindi at church and during their home visits.
She said that when a Pundit comes to do a Puja at home all they do is recite the Sanskrit words but never explain what has been said, she said that most pundits are more interested in getting their money ad going to another gig.
Plus there is this stigma with many Indian Hindus that the Gita is only read out in funerals, so many have this taboo of trying to read the Gita on their own.

the other thing she said is that the bible keeps the Ghosts away, and the most important thing she said at the end of our conversation was that "all Gods are the same anyways",.

I spoke to my brothers friend of why she converted to Christianity, she said that she was raped, and tried to commit suicide, in hospital the Christians would come and pray for her and bring her gifts, then when she got better she converted, i asked her did her mum and dad not pray for her in the temple, she said they did nearly everyday, and then i asked were the doctors good in taking care of her, she said they put a lot of effort in trying to save her, (i did not press on any further because of the situation, i did not want to say things like maybe Siva listened to your parents prayers and saved her, or maybe the doctors were the reason you are still alive), She said she was saved by the Love of Jesus.

One of my wife's cousin has converted recently, when i met him at a family gathering he was dressed in a nice white shirt with tie, black pants and shiny black shoes, he spoke in English only, and boasts of how he has visited the US, Australia and Newzealand with the help of the Church, my mother in Law was almost showing him off to my family, he sat on a chair while we sat on the floor and eat with a fork and knife while we used our hands, he was like a shining light among the dull background of my in laws colorblind tin home, i could see why the young men and women were so attracted to him, to me he portrayed the dreams of nearly every young Indian, that is to be European, and his success was Christianity.

To them Christianity is synonymous with the white and rich European who has money, cars and a big house.

Superstition is a big problem among the Hindus in FIJI, believe in Ghosts, demons and evil spirits is almost like milk and bread to them, black magic and voodoo is quite common among the Hindus, if someone has a tooth ache they go seeking the local tantric or pundit for some religious healing before actual medicine.

The other thing i noticed is the idea that Christianity is represented as modernity and is portrayed as the "rich mans religion". While Hinduism is presented as being steeped in superstition and backwardness, sometime not even represented at all in the wider community.

Christians promise Money, Hinduism makes no promises, poor people don't hesitate to take the first option.

Missionaries do the rounds in hospital, if someone gets better it was Jesus, if someone dies its because it was the Devil.

Not a single person i spoke to even knows what the Vedas are, no one could give one example from the Gita, no one without looking at the Ramayana could tell me what Ram said about Hanuman when he first met him. I did not hear about any Pundit who reads and writes Sanskrit.

The only good thing among the Hindus there is they don't have a Cast system.

I was vary disappointing with Fijian Hindus that i met.
 

Sumit

Sanatana Dharma
After my recent visit to Fiji, i had noticed that the Hindus i met and those who i stayed with, almost all of them (maybe 15 families i visited) had a copy of the Bible sitting next to the Gita or Ramayan.

I asked my mother in law of why she has the bible (in her home shrine, next to the Shiv Ling), the reply was that the church people when door knocking told her they can help with any money problems, and gave her some money to pay off bills, and in return the Christians came to her place and did a prayer and gave her a bible and invited her to the local church for Sunday prayers, she attends church every Sunday now, i asked her if she has read the bible and she says she reads it nearly every night before going to bed, then i asked if she has read the Gita (also in her home shrine), and the answer was in the negative.
When i asked why have you not read the Gita, she said that no one has ever explained it to her in simple language, and i don't understand it, but the Christians explain the bible in simple Hindi at church and during their home visits.
She said that when a Pundit comes to do a Puja at home all they do is recite the Sanskrit words but never explain what has been said, she said that most pundits are more interested in getting their money ad going to another gig.
Plus there is this stigma with many Indian Hindus that the Gita is only read out in funerals, so many have this taboo of trying to read the Gita on their own.

the other thing she said is that the bible keeps the Ghosts away, and the most important thing she said at the end of our conversation was that "all Gods are the same anyways",.

I spoke to my brothers friend of why she converted to Christianity, she said that she was raped, and tried to commit suicide, in hospital the Christians would come and pray for her and bring her gifts, then when she got better she converted, i asked her did her mum and dad not pray for her in the temple, she said they did nearly everyday, and then i asked were the doctors good in taking care of her, she said they put a lot of effort in trying to save her, (i did not press on any further because of the situation, i did not want to say things like maybe Siva listened to your parents prayers and saved her, or maybe the doctors were the reason you are still alive), She said she was saved by the Love of Jesus.

One of my wife's cousin has converted recently, when i met him at a family gathering he was dressed in a nice white shirt with tie, black pants and shiny black shoes, he spoke in English only, and boasts of how he has visited the US, Australia and Newzealand with the help of the Church, my mother in Law was almost showing him off to my family, he sat on a chair while we sat on the floor and eat with a fork and knife while we used our hands, he was like a shining light among the dull background of my in laws colorblind tin home, i could see why the young men and women were so attracted to him, to me he portrayed the dreams of nearly every young Indian, that is to be European, and his success was Christianity.

To them Christianity is synonymous with the white and rich European who has money, cars and a big house.

Superstition is a big problem among the Hindus in FIJI, believe in Ghosts, demons and evil spirits is almost like milk and bread to them, black magic and voodoo is quite common among the Hindus, if someone has a tooth ache they go seeking the local tantric or pundit for some religious healing before actual medicine.

The other thing i noticed is the idea that Christianity is represented as modernity and is portrayed as the "rich mans religion". While Hinduism is presented as being steeped in superstition and backwardness, sometime not even represented at all in the wider community.

Christians promise Money, Hinduism makes no promises, poor people don't hesitate to take the first option.

Missionaries do the rounds in hospital, if someone gets better it was Jesus, if someone dies its because it was the Devil.

Not a single person i spoke to even knows what the Vedas are, no one could give one example from the Gita, no one without looking at the Ramayana could tell me what Ram said about Hanuman when he first met him. I did not hear about any Pundit who reads and writes Sanskrit.

The only good thing among the Hindus there is they don't have a Cast system.

I was vary disappointing with Fijian Hindus that i met.

So sad. Not only Fijian Hindus but Indian Hindus are same. United efforts are needed to tackle such conditions. But today it's almost impossible to unite Hindus :(
 

nameless

The Creator
in hospital the Christians would come and pray for her and bring her gifts, then when she got better she converted
this practice is very common in kerala(an indian state), the doctors in govt. hospitals invites pentacostal christians to 'heal' and 'love' the patients, some doctors even try to proselyte the patients just before the operation, that if they accept jesus then they can guarantee that the operation would be success, or the only thing they can do is to try their best. There is much more.. but i dont want to post it here as i dont have any proofs for that.
 
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ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram satyam ji :namaste

such a sad story , I am glad that the christians have the love in their hearts to help people , but I am sad that they use it as a tool to convert people but it is understandable where you say that the hindu preists do not do their duty out of love , in this case they have neglected their own people ,

this was very much the problem inthe days of lord buddha where the preist hood were corupt buddha taught against the vedic system , in effect lord buddha did the same offered another system to convert to in place of a corupt system .



When i asked why have you not read the Gita, she said that no one has ever explained it to her in simple language, and i don't understand it, but the Christians explain the bible in simple Hindi at church and during their home visits.
She said that when a Pundit comes to do a Puja at home all they do is recite the Sanskrit words but never explain what has been said, she said that most pundits are more interested in getting their money ad going to another gig.
Plus there is this stigma with many Indian Hindus that the Gita is only read out in funerals, so many have this taboo of trying to read the Gita on their own.

shame on these pandits

the other thing she said is that the bible keeps the Ghosts away, and the most important thing she said at the end of our conversation was that "all Gods are the same anyways",.


''all the gods are the same anyways '' jai jai :namaste .... but still sad that no one has the love of , or the understanding of the gita enough to explain it properly .



The other thing i noticed is the idea that Christianity is represented as modernity and is portrayed as the "rich mans religion". While Hinduism is presented as being steeped in superstition and backwardness, sometime not even represented at all in the wider community.

Christians promise Money, Hinduism makes no promises, poor people don't hesitate to take the first option.

it is quite understandable that people put their faith in the religion of those who look prosperous , but sad that in truth there is no real difference in the promice christianity can give , except that the christians are fortunate enough to be weakthy enough to be charitable . I would just be a little happier if they came to offer love and help combined with a sencitivity towards the traditions of others .
 

nameless

The Creator
I am glad that the christians have the love in their hearts to help people.
To explain in detail the love of pentecostal christians, these pentacostals during their 'shouting prayers' pray to god to make people of other religion ill, so that they could 'heal', 'love' and then convert people to christianity, just like mother teresa, who loved to see people suffering. So much of love in their hearts ! GOD BLESS THEM !!

christians are fortunate enough to be weakthy enough to be charitable
yes, it is really fortunate that they robbed the world, and now using the stolen money to win converts in the name of 'charity', truly inspiring.
 
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As terrible as this sort of thing is - and it is, Hinduism is by far its own worst enemy, and in fact, I believe this external stimulation is necessary to help Hinduism reform itself enough to survive.

Not much is being taken from them if they have no idea what they are leaving behind when they give up Hinduism, and the overwhelming majority do not.

If Hinduism were what it is supposed to be, there would be no foothold for any Abrahamic religion.

Look, for example, at the deterioration of Hinduism in the North vs the South. Although the North suffered catastrophic spiritual damage from about 1100 onwards from a succession of Islamic invasions, and then later suffered still (though less - spiritually) under the British, Islam never entered the deep South. Devotion to the deities kept them out - they knew what had happened in the North with people made to walk over the broken fragments of their devas recast into the mosque's steps.

Yet we see the shastras have survived more intact in the North than in the South, save in some insular Southern communities. Why? Because they had to. The forces arrayed against them proved a powerful motivator. The South, without such stimulation, became more and more degenerate in its religion.

Please keep in mind I am not saying that the Southern religions, or people, are inferior - only that the degradation which has overtaken the whole of Hindu dharma has acted more on the South than the North, despite the North's travails, by way of making the point that this internal deterioration is by far the most dangerous threat to be counteracted. In doing so, the external threat of conversion will disappear likewise.
 

Sumit

Sanatana Dharma
This is so sad. Truly awful and heartbreaking.

What can we do about this?
To stop all this, we need to purify Hinduism. We should go against all those sadhus and swamis who use Hindu Dharma as a business. We should stop donating in temples and fund Gurukuls. In India people donate soo much in Temples that if this amount is used for poor Hindus, poverty will disappear in just one day. We should learn Sanskrit and teach it to our children (half hour per day is enough) because most of our scriptures are written in Sanskrit and missionaries misquotes the scriptures and use them for conversion. Since Hindus have no knowledge of their scriptures hence their faith is destroyed by such misquoted verses and it's easy to convert him/her. We should also work for preservation of scriptures, we lost thousands of our ancient books due to lack of preservation.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
This is so sad. Truly awful and heartbreaking.

What can we do about this?

Maya

There are lots of little things one can do. Just putting this information here on line will help with a few people who don't realise the extent of the problem. Myself and 2 friends once did an intervention with a snake-oil salesman. It was back when the little community here was just beginning to think of building a Hindu temple. There was a Christian scholar of Hinduism who was going around convincing or trying to convince the Sri Lankan Tamil community that a temple wasn't necessary, because they already had plenty of churches to go to. He actually knew quite a lot about Hinduism on an intellectual level, which is of course a strategy. He said subtle things like, "You know, it's going to cost a lot of money. It'll be a hardship."

The three of us went to his house, and basically said, "Back off, Jack" in fairly dramatic fashion. "We're building this temple, come _____ or high water, and when we have our grand opening, you are not invited." We had to be rude. Then his true colours came out, and he practically called the cops on us. He wanted to give us a token amount of money to 'show the support' and we refused it.

So you have to get tough. Convince people to refuse the bibles. Give them back. Explain things in a simple language. Get the worship going. Strenghen Hindusim from the inside out.
 

FashionOfMyLove

Non-Conformist
Why do they feel the need to change other peoples religion? Why can't they just accept that people already have other religions and that India is a Hindu country and that Hinduism was there first? Places will lose their individuality if they try to make them the same as your own.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Why do they feel the need to change other peoples religion?
As crazy or preposterous as this may sound to you, it is actually a core belief of their religion. Not all take it so literally, fortunately. So for them, it's sacred duty to convince others to come to Christ. And on the extreme end, it means by force if necessary. Do whatever trick you can, and it's all good because it is part of the religion.
 
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