How to destroy the alt-right

[icehorse]

How many of Milo's 12 points to you agree with?

Spoiler: profanity

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree with a few, & disagree strongly with some.
But set that aside.....
He's quite the talented performer & communicator.
No wonder he's so hated.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I mostly agree with the first one.

But he left out #13: Throw himself into an oven, since his buddies actually hate people like him (or at least the persona he's pretending to be).

 

[Glaurung]

You can take my anime out of my cold, dead hands.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I agreed with the second point, but most of it, as usual, is far-right misunderstandings (such as trigger warnings which are really absolutely no different than movie and video game ratings for certain content), and he done himself a huge disservice over the point with anime. Is the guy really so against cultural integration and blendings (pretty much the sum of human history) that he thinks only "bad Muslims" will come over and that we just cannot be having cartoons from another culture? He acts "so smart," but does he honestly and truthfully believe a wall will work? He also seemed to forget that according to cognitive sciences, controlled exposure to a negative stimuli that is gradually increased is the best way to heal, not tell someone who was recently raped they are going to read a chapter that depicts a graphic rape scene because they just need to say "**** their feelings." We have plenty of research to confirm that is not a good thing to do, and this "**** your feelings" is probably why men especially face troubles over stubbornness, such as emotional strain from "bottling it up and burying it" and even more likely to die from a terminal disease because they waited too late to go to a doctor. And, of course we probably did evolve to have different gender roles, but there is such an abysmal shortage of people trying to entirely do away with them. And such a position is very often will not result in the empowerment of women but only serve to further the position of men over women. And if you don't like "identity politics," be thankful you are in a privileged enough position they don't apply to you.

 

[Kemosloby]

It sounds like it should be called, how to make the left relevant again, a list of compromises.

 

[Laika]

How many of Milo's 12 points to you agree with?

Number 11. Criminialise black lives matter is the only one that sticks out as really problematic as it is criminalising dissent (not simply violence). However, serious efforts to alleviate the socio-economic causes of the problem such as better education are a good thing to address the underlying problems.

Otherwise, I'd debate most of them and probably find common ground on them.

 

[Kemosloby]

How many of Milo's 12 points to you agree with?

He took a leftist view on Muslim immigration. He says "Ban Muslims" fearing their ultra conservative Sharia Law would strike a blow to the gay community. He's probably right there, but that's not an Alt. Right concerne. Black Lives Matters could turn into a terror organization, I think that could be possible, but not likely without ISIS type secret supplies of weapons and support. I don't really care about the wall, it seems like a huge waste of time and money. Not sure what is the right way to deal with racism. As the underdogs minorities need an edge, and the majority tends to allow it, until it goes too far, such as Black Lives Matters and gay pride parades,

 

[Maponos]

#FreeKekistan

 

[Kuzcotopia]

I don't agree with any of these points, really. There's far too much cultural backlash going on here.

This isn't some huge cultural problem in the US. It's vilifying a minority of college-age kids who take identity and safe-space crap too far.

The best way to stop the alt-right is to put their whining in perspective. Remember, he's attacking a mythical, satirical version of a much more nuanced reality. . . And most of those who deserve the shaming in this speech are still basically kids themselves.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He took a leftist view on Muslim immigration. He says "Ban Muslims"

The Left is generally not in favor of banning Muslims. If anything, those further Left than "mainstream Liberal" tend to realize we need progressive, liberal, and secular Muslims, that we need to let them in, and we need them to help us in the fight against radical Islam, and we need to help advance and empower them and make them be the face of Islam rather than bearded men with suicide belts.

He says "Ban Muslims" fearing their ultra conservative Sharia Law would strike a blow to the gay community.

There is 0% chance of Sharia being implemented in America. It's really no different that what Trump said, when it's really not a concern for the safety and well being of the LBGT community, but rather further demonizing Muslims and burning bridges instead of building them. But, the thing is, the LBGT community here in America doesn't need protected from Sharia, it needs protected from people like Pence who put LBGT rights and liberties beneath religious bigotry or Michelle Bachmann who promote dangerous and destructive "therapies" for homosexuals.

Black Lives Matters could turn into a terror organization, I think that could be possible, but not likely without ISIS type secret supplies of weapons and support.

Please study terrorism. You don't need military equipment like ISIS to be a terrorist, and in all reality just about everyone of us here likely has plenty of "common household ingredients" to cause enough chaos and panic to the get the FBI, Homeland Security, ATF, and Federal Marshals swarming your home.

 

[Brickjectivity]

He is too immature to lead on a lot of these issues. He's a good speaker, but he looks to much like fresh lettuce and seems a little brash.

 

[Kemosloby]

The Left is generally not in favor of banning Muslims. If anything, those further Left than "mainstream Liberal" tend to realize we need progressive, liberal, and secular Muslims, that we need to let them in, and we need them to help us in the fight against radical Islam, and we need to help advance and empower them and make them be the face of Islam rather than bearded men with suicide belts.

There is 0% chance of Sharia being implemented in America. It's really no different that what Trump said, when it's really not a concern for the safety and well being of the LBGT community, but rather further demonizing Muslims and burning bridges instead of building them. But, the thing is, the LBGT community here in America doesn't need protected from Sharia, it needs protected from people like Pence who put LBGT rights and liberties beneath religious bigotry or Michelle Bachmann who promote dangerous and destructive "therapies" for homosexuals.

Please study terrorism. You don't need military equipment like ISIS to be a terrorist, and in all reality just about everyone of us here likely has plenty of "common household ingredients" to cause enough chaos and panic to the get the FBI, Homeland Security, ATF, and Federal Marshals swarming your home.

I know the left wants to let Muslims in, but he says ban them. So he took a right wing position. I'm having a difficult time figuring out what side the guy is on. It was a leftist view when he said gay rights are like a crown of glory on democracy. That's not a right wing position I ever heard. There's something fishy about him. He's supposed to be an alt righter or an left winger?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out what side the guy is on. It was a leftist view when he said gay rights are like a crown of glory on democracy. That's not a right wing position I ever heard.

A Right-winged Conservative Christian would view gay marriage as a travesty, but to a Right-winged Libertarian it's the way things should be.

He's supposed to be an alt righter or an left winger?

He's clearly Right, given by "ban anime," "**** your feelings," "build the wall," "gender roles work," "**** your safe spaces," and his generalized demonizing of Black Lives Matters rather than the tearing asunder those who did destroy their communities, but the focus on a few violent protestors despite the waves of peaceful protesting has been something the Right has been doing a lot lately (going to have to check to see if it was the same or different during the 60s/70s protests).

 

[Kemosloby]

A Right-winged Conservative Christian would view gay marriage as a travesty, but to a Right-winged Libertarian it's the way things should be.

He's clearly Right, given by "ban anime," "**** your feelings," "build the wall," "gender roles work," "**** your safe spaces," and his generalized demonizing of Black Lives Matters rather than the tearing asunder those who did destroy their communities, but the focus on a few violent protestors despite the waves of peaceful protesting has been something the Right has been doing a lot lately (going to have to check to see if it was the same or different during the 60s/70s protests).

He's probably an lgbt compromiser. Like the gay people only care about gay rights, anything else is open for compromise.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He's probably an lgbt compromiser.

Probably not. When you say it's a pinnacle of our society (and I do agree that our improvements in equality based on reason are some of our hallmarks) you probably aren't a "compromiser" but someone who fully supports it.

Like the gay people only care about gay rights, anything else is open for compromise.

That is simply untrue.

 

[Kemosloby]

Probably not. When you say it's a pinnacle of our society (and I do agree that our improvements in equality based on reason are some of our hallmarks) you probably aren't a "compromiser" but someone who fully supports it.

That is simply untrue.

He isn't a full supporter while throwing the anime community and Muslims under a bus.

I didn't mean all the gay people, but that gay guy is throwing everybody else under a bus except for the gays. Like the alt. right is a compromised left. , compromised all but the gays.

 

[icehorse]

He's supposed to be an alt righter or an left winger?

I think that question is part of the point. He doesn't fit into any common categories.

I find myself wanting to be considered a member of a new category. Centrist maybe? The "Centrist Project" might be a good group? (Their site is a little vague on a few important points.)

The Centrist Project

 

[Mister Emu]

he done himself a huge disservice over the point with anime.

He's clearly Right, given by "ban anime,"

I think you need to consider your response in light of "get a sense of humor". The alt-right is chock full of anime fans.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think you need to consider your response in light of "get a sense of humor".

Granted the way you quoted my post does bring to my attention I did not necessarily word that in a great way (as obviously banning anime is not an indication of being on the Right), but if he's giving a serious speech, I see nothing wrong with expecting him to make serious points.