Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I am told the anime thing was a joke, and not wanting Muslims in does not reflect his position of homosexuals, especially when he already expressed approval.
What gay guy?
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How to destroy the alt-right
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Over explaining humor ruins it, but, perhaps this is just an in joke. The alt-right is huge on anime, it loves anime. He's joking about the correlation between alt-right and anime lover.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And that's why it's a bad point. If it is a joke, it's so lost that to an outsider it seems like a serious "WTF!?!?" moment than anything to imply humor.
I also question this correlation between alt-right and anime, not to doubt there are anime fans in the alt-right, but rather how it is a given that various demographs enjoy anime, with adolescents and young adults perhaps being the largest demographs of anime fans (for an American audience, that is).
Maybe it just wasn't for outsiders?
There is a large distance between correlation and given.
I wanna be Milo when I grow up.
I wanna be the self described "most fabulous super-villain on the internet ". I wanna be able to get millions of bloomers in a bunch by making a joke about anime. C'mon the guy is queer as a three dollar bill. His tour is called "A Dangerous F@gg0t". He is giving a talk at a college with anime inspired hair saying "anime must go! It's too gay!"
Jeez
Tom
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It seemed that was the intended target audience given his statement as the video began.
I think he fits rather snugly into the sort of Neo-Libertarian which proliferates in the Reddit community. Fiscal conservative, latent misogyny, pro LGB (generally intolerant of the T), anti drug and firearm regulation, religiously intolerant and overtones of Nativism (if not outright Nationalism). Check check check.
He's not really pro-LGBT. He's made hateful remarks about lesbians and trans people, and also self-loathing remarks about homosexuality in general.
I've watched several of his talks and haven't seen an example of "latent misogyny". Can you give an example of what that would be? An example of Milo doing that? Fiscal conservative? what does that mean? If nationalism means defending secularism, then I'd say he does do that (As do I). Is there something else you mean when you say nationalism, and if so, what has he said concerning that?
"Here’s my suggestion to fix the gender wars online: Women should just log off. Given that men built the internet, along with the rest of modern civilization, I think it’s only fair that they get to keep it…They [women] could go back to bridge tournaments, or wellness workshops, or swapping apple crumble recipes, or whatever it is women do in their spare time. I, Donald Trump, and the rest of the alpha males will continue to dominate the internet without feminist whining…"
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That's just one example. It's plentiful.
Fiscal conservative as opposed to social conservative is concerning things like government spending and non-social programs.
He's not pro secularism. He's pro Islamophobic bigotry. Trying to tunnel vision Islam into this neat strawman so he can 'joke' about how dangerous they are. Putting words into their mouth just as readily as Atheist+ blowhards say 'No this is what Christianity is REALLY about and if you don't agree you're not following your holy book right.'
He's basically a colossal git.
I've provided what? 5 or 6 videos, I could provide more. I haven't heard him ever say any of what you're accusing him of saying. Can you provide an example or two of him doing what you claim he's doing?
BTW, the article you cited? It started off as sarcasm and then went to facts. Please tell me that you knew he was being sarcastic in that article? Are you aware that many of our best comedians will no longer appear at college campuses, because the folks Milo criticizes have no sense of humor.
Pro Islamophobic bigotry? I assume you are aware that "Islamophobia" is a nonsensical term used by apologists in an attempt to stifle legitimate criticism?
Right, writing off misogyny as jokey jokes, even though he's stated plain faced that he thinks woman would be happier in the kitchen. He's not fooling me, and neither are his edge lord cohorts. He's a sexist *** who says 'I was just joking for serious guys' when called on it.
If they are the sort of 'best comedians' that Milo is, we're all better off.
That's what Islamophobes say when they are called out on making strawman, yes, I'm aware they try to spin it that way.
I don't think you've really listened to him, I have heard not one word of misogyny. You must realize that he's provoking the flavor of 3rd wave feminist that shouts down actual conversation and debate. Just because you disagree with 3rd wavers, that does NOT make you a misogynist, right?
Wait, I need to understand this claim better... You're saying that the only way to criticize Islam is through the use of strawman arguments? Am I understanding you correctly?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
This is simply hilarious. Thank you for making me laugh so very hard. Precious, really.
No, he makes 'jokes' about women should be in the kitchen, and stop crying about the sort of harassment his ilk perpetuate. That's both low brow and not actual conversation or debate.
No but that's a good example of a strawman too. I'm saying HE uses strawmen which do not represent the varied beliefs of 'Islam's mainstream culture' whatever that means. It's as disingenuous as saying that 'Christianity is bad because of science deniers as part of Christian mainstream culture,' when in reality world over YEC and evolution denial is a minority belief. Saying that he's scared of Muslims because he's gay ignored that millions of Muslims have no issue with homosexuality just like millions of Christians do.
But I don't have the time or energy to debate this topic on this thread. Suffice to say I think Milo is a dick scraping the bottom of the barrel for edgy humor. He's the Larry the Cable Guy for Reddit libertarians.
It was no trouble. It's easy to amuse people who are drawn to gradeschool playground 'humor.'
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Like @icehorse, I have watched many of his talks. My guess is you simply have not. He is clearly making very heavy use of sarcasm, like his comments about anime. He is simply not serious and it is just meant for effect. I do the same thing in my own humor quite often. If you read what I said, you would be outraged whereas if you heard and saw me say it you would clearly understand my meaning. In effect, you are creating your own little stawman here. I'd be outraged if I didn't realize he was just being a dork. It's part of the shtick.
A valid point, but what of the hundreds of millions of our dear sweet Muslims who have very serious, very conservative, views about homosexuality?
I'd love to know which comedians you think are hilarious. Seriously.
(Frankly, I can't think of too many these days.)
I think you're dangerously wrong here. Well done sarcasm and satire are essential and high brow strategies for criticism, which is essential for free speech.
And, what sort of harassment are referring to here? Online harassment? There are now, always have been, and always will be, jerks in the world. We cannot stifle criticism and debate so that the thin skinned don't get their feelings hurt. There's an old internet adage that will always apply: Don't feed the trolls.
You guys hide behind sarcasm even when he states, again, plain faced the same rhetoric. He IS one of the jerks in the world. How To Make Women Happy: Uninvent The Washing Machine And The Pilll
If you think this is playful but informtive, then we will have to disagree, because I have watched him and I have read him. He's not clever, he's not adding to the discussion, he's not making valuable cases, he's using the same bully tactic schoolyard children do. Bullying kids then saying they were just playing when called out on it.
Also, once again, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from reprisal by people, just government. His bull**** should be called out, as readily as white nationalism and homophobia. We're not required to manufacture a respectful, quiet response for them to air out their shtick.
On reprisals, I think he welcomes good debate. As far as adding to the debate, he comes armed with factual claims and statistics. For example he cites several recent polls in which women overwhelmingly want equality of the sexes, and at the same time overwhelmingly don't identify as feminists. This is important data, how is it not adding to the discussion?
On another front, he discusses actual police statistics and murder statistics and concludes that BLM is largely hypocritical - based on statistics! How is this not adding to the discussion?
Now you might do some research and come to believe that you disagree with his interpretation of the data. Well hooray! Now we have an actual debate. But to label him a "colossal git" does none of that.