How to get people to understand that Paul, John and Simon are all false?

[wizanda]

Absolutely no arrogance ego or want to do any of this, personally….yet it is written of me that we must do this, and so to stand against so much prophecy on my own part is not acceptable in God’s eyes, so to stand against the whole world in the process is small in comparison.
Would much rather fight (scriptural sense) with everyone here, then fight with my own conscious of not doing so when I die again.
Really you should enquire of all the prophecies, before you dismiss why this is being asked or spoken as such and not be so arrogant to ignore clear signs.
If you miss the Fig and then the day comes, how will you get oil, when we ask?

 

[Booko]

I guess nobody like muffins.

I love blueberry muffins!

I just can't find any alternative to milk that I can use to make any just now.

Maybe in a couple of years.

Maybe less if I pray for blueberry muffins!

In the meantime...I just ate a pint of blueberries. :eat: Will that do, or is it heretical?

 

[dawny0826]

I guess nobody like muffins.

I do and I think your post rocked! I agree.

It is very simple. We love. And when we love...we're doing our very best to mimic Christ. That's what it's all about.

 

[wizanda]

So is it love then to say it is right your friend should die?
Do you think a person could be your friend after you proclaiming such a thing?
Do you think that a person would then let you follow them about, saying how much it was good you murdered them? or do you think just maybe, they would be slightly mystified how arrogant and wrong it sounds to say such thing?

Please tell me where is the love in what you are saying to proclaim the Pharisees are right in anyway?
You do realize Yeshua cut off inheritance and grace, not gave it….so why or what would people be proclaiming they have over others, please explain?
As for all these life’s, it is still mystifying me, how people can be so deceitful to them self’s, to believe it is right to kill another….especially a prophet for pennies….which is basically what you are saying is right to do and in the process cutting your self off from inheritance and grace?

Please explain how you think that is simple? Or love?

 

[Mister_T]

I love blueberry muffins!

I just can't find any alternative to milk that I can use to make any just now.

Maybe in a couple of years.

Maybe less if I pray for blueberry muffins!

In the meantime...I just ate a pint of blueberries. :eat: Will that do, or is it heretical?

That'll do for me. But I can't say the same for the people at the blueberry muffin corporation. They'd probably label you a heretic.

*Toatally off topic*
Have you tried Lactaid for a milk alternative? My girlfriend is lactose intolerant and she says that is pretty good.

 

[Mister_T]

I do and I think your post rocked! I agree.

It is very simple. We love. And when we love...we're doing our very best to mimic Christ. That's what it's all about.

Yes! :yes:

 

[dawny0826]

So is it love then to say it is right your friend should die?

Expound, please.

Do you think a person could be your friend after you proclaiming such a thing?
Do you think that a person would then let you follow them about, saying how much it was good you murdered them? or do you think just maybe, they would be slightly mystified how arrogant and wrong it sounds to say such thing?

Are you speaking of Christ? Christ was a sacrifice. That sacrifice was intended regardless of the ways and actions of men.

Please tell me where is the love in what you are saying to proclaim the Pharisees are right in anyway?

The Pharisees were not in the right but Christ's death was beyond the laws of man. Christ's death was ordained. All who were involved were playing their part.

You do realize Yeshua cut off inheritance and grace, not gave it….so why or what would people be proclaiming they have over others, please explain?

There is grace because of Christ. There is inheritance because OF Christ.

As for all these life’s, it is still mystifying me, how people can be so deceitful to them self’s, to believe it is right to kill another….especially a prophet for pennies….which is basically what you are saying is right to do and in the process cutting your self off from inheritance and grace?

God came to us in the flesh to show us how we must die to be reconciled to Him. That sacrifice was a sacrifice of LOVE.

Please explain how you think that is simple? Or love?

God is love. Pure and simple.

 

[Quagmire]

I guess nobody like muffins.

I have no problem with muffins.

It's the people claiming you should ignore the recipie and just eat the cookbook that scare me.

 

[Mister_T]

So is it love then to say it is right your friend should die?
Do you think a person could be your friend after you proclaiming such a thing?
Do you think that a person would then let you follow them about, saying how much it was good you murdered them? or do you think just maybe, they would be slightly mystified how arrogant and wrong it sounds to say such thing?

Please tell me where is the love in what you are saying to proclaim the Pharisees are right in anyway?
You do realize Yeshua cut off inheritance and grace, not gave it….so why or what would people be proclaiming they have over others, please explain?
As for all these life’s, it is still mystifying me, how people can be so deceitful to them self’s, to believe it is right to kill another….especially a prophet for pennies….which is basically what you are saying is right to do and in the process cutting your self off from inheritance and grace?

Please explain how you think that is simple? Or love?

People deal with things in different ways. If somebody is doing wrong to me, I will deal with it the way I see fit. And a lot of times it's probably not going to be in a way that God likes. I'm only human after all.

I for one, tell a person they are out of line if they are acting like a Pharisee. I've done so many times on this very forum.

But I do not dare tell them that they are condemned or cut off. That is NOT my decision nor is it my place to make such a judgement.

The irony that you do not see is that by telling the "Pharisees" that they are cut off from God's inheritance and grace makes you, a Pharisee. Jesus told us not to pass judment on one another. That is his job. Food for thought.

 

[Mister_T]

I have no problem with muffins.

It's the people claiming you should ignore the recipie and just eat the cookbook that scare me.

I'll take the muffins please!

 

[wizanda]

Please before you speak again, please be careful how you say it as that is very hurtful to me….

God offered read Zechariah 11, you will also need to check in Hebrew for the two staffs that are cut off, if the 30 pieces of silver are paid and put in the potters field, being inheritance and grace.

Next is what Yeshua said if you proclaim you will get an inheritance from killing the vine dressers son, you shall receive nothing!

Next is when you swear by a sacrifice you are guilty of it.

Balaam teachings are to say God sacrifices, are you also condoning this?

 

[Booko]

*Toatally off topic*
Have you tried Lactaid for a milk alternative? My girlfriend is lactose intolerant and she says that is pretty good.

It's not lactose intolerance. It's allergy to the protein, casein. A three day migraine will ensue whether it's lactaid or not.

If I weren't off soy for a while, it would be a non-issue. In the meantime, I've got a really great recipe for coconut ice cream. :eat:

As for blueberry muffins and this thread, I would not like to see my friend die because he/she couldn't eat blueberry muffins. As an alternative, I could always pray for a recipe for blueberry stuffed french toast.

Ah...God is merciful!

 

[Booko]

Please before you speak again, please be careful how you say it as that is very hurtful to me….

You aren't replying to me, of course, but I feel compelled to point out that you haven't been one whit concerned that you've said several hurtful things to Christians and Jews on this forum in the past few days.

Just a little food for thought.

Maybe even a blueberry muffin.

Balaam teachings are to say God sacrifices, are you also condoning this?

I never condone things I cannot parse.

 

[ChristineES]

I love muffins, especially blueberry, but I can no longer eat them.

 

[sojourner]

I am sorry , but I just don't agree with you. Who is qualified to say that one book in the NT is false while another is true? I am not arrogant enough to do that but it seems there are some of you who are.

You should remember that anyone's opinion is not fact, not just including mine but yours as well.

Including those who wrote the Bible...

Discernment is one of the gifts of the Spirit.

On the topic of Xy being like a muffin, I wholeheartedly agree. I have experienced finding pieces of stem in my blueberry muffins that I have to separate from the good parts and spit out.

 

[Mister_T]

Please before you speak again, please be careful how you say it as that is very hurtful to me….

God offered read Zechariah 11, you will also need to check in Hebrew for the two staffs that are cut off, if the 30 pieces of silver are paid and put in the potters field, being inheritance and grace.

Next is what Yeshua said if you proclaim you will get an inheritance from killing the vine dressers son, you shall receive nothing!

Next is when you swear by a sacrifice you are guilty of it.

Balaam teachings are to say God sacrifices, are you also condoning this?

I apologize Wizanda, if I have offended you. That was in no way, my intent.

And, I am not condoning anything except Jesus' message.

 

[wizanda]

It is much appreciated and sitting here contemplating how to ask people, what they would do if they were Christ?
How would you feel if people said this stuff about you?
To me it is so hurtful and this morning felt like the end of me…as all the intention of coming down here was to help people; not hinder and not be spiteful, it isn’t part of me….yet with the many posts removed lately, guess it is seen as such and maybe my fault in not being 100% clear that the Zan corn cutter thread, is to show where in the Bible and allot of books globally confirming me as Christ…..
so when saying Anti-Christ it is a dual reference of my own part also….and so why the offences which is understandable…if it wasn’t noticed or made clear enough, that this is what all of this is saying….and why the argument to begin with…..do you really feel I enjoy doing this….personally I want to be back in heaven….
Before your reply I was just sitting in the woods begging God to let me come home as no one listens down here anyways….then reminded by the birds, what this place is….so there is much work to do down here and since I know how it felt to be in heaven doing this same job…it is much more useful and practical to explain things here.
Yet as the blueberry muffins argument shows; that is allot of how forum conversations can go on.
Just expected with the manner of conversation, people would be slightly more respectful in light of the evidence first given, which is clear scientific proof to start with.....:sad4:

 

[ChristineES]

People are always going to disagree with you, you should not let it hurt you. No one ever meant to hurt your feelings. I have personally disagreed with my good friends on various and we usually agree to disagree.

I am not ready to dismiss any of the New Testament. I have read books by many scholars on this subject and I just can't see what they see.
The reason John is so different from the other three is that those three all were written from the same source at least from the books I have read by various scholars.
A side note: my mother told me that she does not believe that Revelation and Jude belong in the Bible, that she does not believe them to be inspired. I did not agree with her , at least not now.
God bless.

 

[wizanda]

Revelations chapter 10 was me and a group of friends at 21 and then read it word for word at 24....yet hadn't looked before then...so hope its real then also new name bit...Dozen (13) diadems (dimensions) given to me at 26...so only bit missing is teh teaching people to sing as Oneness does ....
John of Revelations by the way is also a different author as there are said to be basic grammatical errors, that are not made in any of the other books.

Plus Armageddon should be a place name in Hebrew, and is translated as Megiddo; which is a name, so has a meaning, which should be “those whom shout out”…..and not war.

So when the city falls, we could all be apart of that and find peace and freedom between us…..as everyone would want if they understood all of this in scripture.
So Would love the opportunity to let other’s fully understand this, as since doing for myself most things asked happen, except for me asking to quit my job before finishing what God wants.
which really is beyond, to know God listens to you at every point…and would love everyone to fully understand the relevance and differences of the Pharisees.
As through such an event occurring it will revolutionise the way most look at God to see prophecies related, joined and linked across timelines.
Which to me is still what makes it clear that this all must be done by me and hopefully if people will give me the chance others.

 

[Makhsihed]

I am sorry , but I just don't agree with you. Who is qualified to say that one book in the NT is false while another is true? I am not arrogant enough to do that but it seems there are some of you who are.

The early Church, apparently. You accept the early Roman Church as qualified to say what books are false/true/legitimate, then? You'll take what that very political organization decided as Truth, and you won't criticize or look at other possibilities? Interesting.

Read up on your Biblical and Church history. The Bible (and New Testament) as we know it today was not canonized into its current form until 400 years after Christ's lifetime. Some books and letters were included, some were excluded, and the people who chose what was "false" and "true", or what was "important" and "less important" (or what was useful politically to the Church of the time and what would cause sociopolitical difficulties and thus should be swept under the rug), were as human as anyone else, with mortal limitations and mortal failings.

Personally, I'm not overfond of the Pauline inclusions in the New Testament. I think Christianity would be a lot less judgmental if Paul's writings were taken as a mortal, limited, and flawed human's advice, thoughts, and culturally-limited (and culturally-informed and culture-specific) beliefs and judgments. This article on Pauline Christianity explains a number of criticisms towards Paul's writings.