How to increase darkness?

[Orias]

Being controlled by bodily pain and pleasure, sexuality, emotions comes to my mind.Because i could partially get rid of these i can see how these limit and slow down people or at least people like myself.I think this weakness is what i hate really.When i feel strong i appreciate life.

I don't understand what you're saying.

How does pain, pleasure, sexuality and emotion limit appreciation when it comes to strength and weakness? Wouldn't it make more sense to view these as being necessary in achieving whatever type of strength you are seeking?

Could there really be one without the other?

This is why I say the mundane is only exceeded by appreciation, because once you exceed routine you exceed the ordinary.

 

[1137]

Just use all experience to better yourself.

 

[dave_]

Go fight in a war?

heheh its a good idea but i am not bad *** enough at the moment.

Just use all experience to better yourself.

I don't understand what you're saying.

How does pain, pleasure, sexuality and emotion limit appreciation when it comes to strength and weakness? Wouldn't it make more sense to view these as being necessary in achieving whatever type of strength you are seeking?

Could there really be one without the other?

This is why I say the mundane is only exceeded by appreciation, because once you exceed routine you exceed the ordinary.

I didnt understand can you give me an example like how i can one use sexual urges to become stronger.I agree having a positive outlook helps to an extend to ignore the negative effects of these but i dont understand how i can use these to become strong.

 

[1137]

I didnt understand can you give me an example like how i can one use sexual urges to become stronger.I agree having a positive outlook helps to an extend to ignore the negative effects of these but i dont understand how i can use these to become strong.

How about simply understanding that that sexual urges are natural, and becoming strengthened simply by starting to understand your mind.

 

[dave_]

I opened a new thread to continue this topic http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/left-hand-path-religions-dir/153033-slaves-demiurge.html

 

[Orias]

I didnt understand can you give me an example like how i can one use sexual urges to become stronger.I agree having a positive outlook helps to an extend to ignore the negative effects of these but i dont understand how i can use these to become strong.

You don't use this understanding to ignore the negative effects. You use it to take these negative effects and learn from them, solve them. Thats exactly what I was trying to get at, being able to tame these urges is what counts. Not ignoring them.

You don't ignore mistakes while executing technique, like in martial arts, or painting, or playing an instrument. You find them, and in attempting to eliminate these mistakes, you learn to limit how often you make them.

See, its not necessarily about achieving "results", but achieving noticeable change in oneself (in accord to your goals and motive).

 

[Adramelek]

You don't use this understanding to ignore the negative effects. You use it to take these negative effects and learn from them, solve them. Thats exactly what I was trying to get at, being able to tame these urges is what counts. Not ignoring them.

You don't ignore mistakes while executing technique, like in martial arts, or painting, or playing an instrument. You find them, and in attempting to eliminate these mistakes, you learn to limit how often you make them.

See, its not necessarily about achieving "results", but achieving noticeable change in oneself (in accord to your goals and motive).

Some excellent points Orias! Frubals coming your way.

Xeper.

 

[dave_]

Thanks for explaining i got it now.But i want to play a totally different game.My life is boring and have little to lose.I am looking for some kind of ancient wisdom or sth like that as i explained in the other topic here .I could be a buddhist but looking for darker things.

Edit:For example an autistic dont have to struggle with his/her emotions so i prefer becoming an autistic to struggling with my emotions

 

[Orias]

Edit:For example an autistic dont have to struggle with his/her emotions so i prefer becoming an autistic to struggling with my emotions

I am not sure this is a viable example.

If you find yourself in position where you view your life as boring and having little to lose then you aren't taking the necessary steps to fulfill your goals.

When you have a reason to work, to push yourself, you will no longer struggle with boredom, instead the struggle will make its way back to you (you will find yourself asking the same question, after you feel like something has changed). And you will decide, did I have a better life when I was bored all of the time or when I took a risk?

Of course you answered this already, though the point stands that you need not seek the justification others will provide you, because your willing to stick out is justified by yourself, and no one else.

 

[Luke Morningstar]

If you mean one must balance the spiritual and materialistic to survive i agree but it would be better if we dont have to spend our energy to mundane at all.

I agree. But we are matter made of energy, and both keep us going. So, getting rid of it while maintaining a spiritual path is probably impossible, and I think it's a terrible bet.

The darkness is already increasing. The universe is slowly approaching a heat death. Life, on the other hand, is the only known force that increases order. It's not a threat now, but who knows?

But making light and life your enemies only increases the power of them. Things strengthen with conflict. Instead, you can approach it as protecting the darkness, and making sure the growing parts of your existence don't invigorate the parts of you that need to transform in the darkness and death.

Dig deep into your heart, grow the darkness there, and then teach us the truths you find. The reasons death is valuable. The ways in which darkness is helpful.