How to prove that God exists

[Raahim]

I'll recap the key sentence....
"It's just that some people can see it & others are waiting for something spectacular like in the movies, but when such spectacular thing does happen (e.g. Judgment day) then they will realize at the bare end He exists & it will be painful realization for few reasons."
Well, you may not have meant it as a threat but it reads as a threat to me, it will be a 'Painful realisation' !!
Whether I believe it or not is irrelevant and I'm certainly not waiting for it.
btw. I think the alternative, heaven, is just as awful a place. I struggle to imagine anything so unbearable.

When you for example (in a joke) mention someone's mother in offensive way & the guy next to you tells you that that someone's mother passed couple of days ago - would you consider it a painful realization? Of course you would.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Again, don't see how you came to conclusion that it's a threat.

"If you don't do what I'm telling you to do, my powerful friend is going to make you suffer."

 

[Raahim]

"If you don't do what I'm telling you to do, my powerful friend is going to make you suffer."

I don't command others & definitely Allah won't punish anyone because they didn't do as I said. And that was not what I wrote, if you read it like that then it's your problem.

 

[Nietzsche]

"If you don't do what I'm telling you to do, my powerful friend is going to make you suffer."

I normally don't do requests but I figure I could make an exception here..

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't command others

Of course not. It isn't you who's commanding anything; it's the invisible being that just happens to agree with you on everything.

& definitely Allah won't punish anyone because they didn't do as I said.

... unless the things you say match up with what you think Allah requires from human beings, right?

And that was not what I wrote, if you read it like that then it's your problem.

It was the implied message. Musing about "painful realizations" is certainly threatening.

 

[George-ananda]

To an atheist, there is no God. Is there really no God?

I believe there is, based on these two evidences:
1. Drink an egg direct from the cloaca of a hen. Did you feel any solids? Yet when it hatches, there is a beak, a skeleton, fine feather, etc. Where did they come from?
2. A baby was born dead. It was buried. After a few years, it was exhumed. Where did the skeleton come from? We know that what is given by the male is sperm in liquid form. The egg cell from a woman is just one cell.

Those who believe that there is no God, please answer the evidences.


URL: http://able2know.org/topic/322677-1

I am a non-Atheist myself, but biology explains how the reproductive process works, so to the atheist this is no mystery. What is a challenge to them is supporting how these absolutely amazing reproductive processes all evolved through only the blind forces of natural law.

 

[Raahim]

@9-10ths_Penguin
@Altfish

Alright, English is not my native language so I have used wrong wordings. What I wanted to say is "painful cognition/comprehension", I translated the phrase from my native language into the English & just realized it has different meaning. I didn't mean physical pain as someone being tortured (as it can be seen in my later posts that I didn't mean it that way).

I do apologize for misunderstanding.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What is a challenge to them is supporting how these absolutely amazing reproductive processes all evolved through only the blind forces of natural law.

And science is slowly picking away at it.

What's much more of a challenge is how a god could arise (or exist without the need to arise) from nothing at all with no identified mechanism whatsoever.

However difficult evolution, abiogenesis, and cosmology are to wrap our heads around, a god that arises by magic poofing is even harder. It's really just an answer people give when they have no good answer, IMO.

 

[George-ananda]

What's much more of a challenge is how a god could arise (or exist without the need to arise) from nothing at all with no identified mechanism whatsoever.

However difficult evolution, abiogenesis, and cosmology are to wrap our heads around, a god that arises by magic poofing is even harder. It's really just an answer people give when they have no good answer, IMO.

This 'poofing' concept is putting God in a linear time frame (which is the way we think). In my tradition, God is fundamental consciousness and always existed (in our linear way of thinking) and the physical is his play/drama. 'Fundamental' means it can not be understood in terms of something else; it is the basis for the rest. Now, if you ask me why there is God (as opposed to some kind of absolute nothingness) that is a mystery.

 

[Valjean]

I am a non-Atheist myself, but biology explains how the reproductive process works, so to the atheist this is no mystery. What is a challenge to them is supporting how these absolutely amazing reproductive processes all evolved through only the blind forces of natural law.

I think you underestimate these "blind forces." Evolution's more than a series of dice-throws. Adaptive changes are locked in, maladaptive changes discarded -- automatically. Thus a functional organism's created through natural mechanisms.

 

[Nietzsche]

To an atheist, there is no God. Is there really no God?

I believe there is, based on these two evidences:
1. Drink an egg direct from the cloaca of a hen. Did you feel any solids? Yet when it hatches, there is a beak, a skeleton, fine feather, etc. Where did they come from?
2. A baby was born dead. It was buried. After a few years, it was exhumed. Where did the skeleton come from? We know that what is given by the male is sperm in liquid form. The egg cell from a woman is just one cell.

Those who believe that there is no God, please answer the evidences.


URL: http://able2know.org/topic/322677-1

...did your parents just never have the birds & bees talk with you or something?

 

[George-ananda]

I think you underestimate these "blind forces." Evolution's more than a series of dice-throws. Adaptive changes are locked in, maladaptive changes discarded -- automatically. Thus a functional organism's created through natural mechanisms.

I understand all that. I am looking at even how this process of abiogenesis, dna, sexual reproduction etc. got rolling and I know fully materialistic explanations for it all are possible; but the reasonableness and likelihood of a fully materialistic explanation is a much more challenging issue than explaining how a chicken develops in the egg. Personally, I have come to believe that there are nature entities/spirits involved in the evolution of life.

 

[Parsimony]

1. Drink an egg direct from the cloaca of a hen. Did you feel any solids? Yet when it hatches, there is a beak, a skeleton, fine feather, etc. Where did they come from?
2. A baby was born dead. It was buried. After a few years, it was exhumed. Where did the skeleton come from? We know that what is given by the male is sperm in liquid form. The egg cell from a woman is just one cell.
URL: http://able2know.org/topic/322677-1

Ossification

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If God is real (remember, I'm a theist), I'm more concerned that God granted just enough intelligence to someone that they would try to suck an egg out of a hen's cloaca. I mean, ewwwwwww ...

 

[viole]

It's not scientifically proof that everyone accepts, but to a believer what's in their holy book is proof. We can agree on that one, can't we?

You guys do not even agree on unscientific things like what God is the true one.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nietzsche]

If God is real (remember, I'm a theist), I'm more concerned that God granted just enough intelligence to someone that they would try to suck an egg out of a hen's cloaca. I mean, ewwwwwww ...

God got really wasted on the whole 7th day thing, and on the 8th he came in hungover, and that's how we got @peacecrusader888 .

 

[viole]

To an atheist, there is no God. Is there really no God?

I think it is pretty obvious that there is no God.

I believe there is, based on these two evidences:
1. Drink an egg direct from the cloaca of a hen. Did you feel any solids? Yet when it hatches, there is a beak, a skeleton, fine feather, etc. Where did they come from?

From the egg, I guess.

2. A baby was born dead. It was buried. After a few years, it was exhumed. Where did the skeleton come from? We know that what is given by the male is sperm in liquid form. The egg cell from a woman is just one cell.

Usually dead kids have a skeleton when they die.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Raahim]

You guys do not even agree on unscientific things like what God is the true one.

Ciao

- viole

Some scientists don't even agree on scientific things.
There's no multiple gods, there's only one God. (Based on my belief)

And just because there are more religions they still don't disprove about God's existence.

 

[LuisDantas]

Some scientists don't even agree on scientific things.
There's no multiple gods, there's only one God. (Based on my belief)

And just because there are more religions they still don't disprove about God's existence.

Attempting to see things by your perspective, I think it is fair to say that it often comes down to a choice between certainty and truth.

God-belief is often a source of certainty. Seeking truth (as science does) often involves acceptance of uncertainty.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

To an atheist, there is no God. Is there really no God?

Actually, only a handful of atheists will state "there is no God". Most atheists will state "I see no evidence of God; and until that evidence is presented in a convincing manner, I withhold belief".

I am part of the handful who will say, "There is no God".

This is an important distinction; if you are going to confront atheists' belief systems, it pays to understand the belief system which you are confronting.

1. Drink an egg direct from the cloaca of a hen. Did you feel any solids? Yet when it hatches, there is a beak, a skeleton, fine feather, etc. Where did they come from?
2. A baby was born dead. It was buried. After a few years, it was exhumed. Where did the skeleton come from? We know that what is given by the male is sperm in liquid form. The egg cell from a woman is just one cell.

Okay I've got more for you:

1. Mix some powder from the grocery store shelf with warm water until fully dissolved; then put it in the refrigerator for a while and now, we "miraculously" have gelatin desert! My gosh, there IS a God!
2. Place biological matter in Hydrochloric acid and the biological matter disappears! Whow, there IS a God!
3. Expose ice to heat and the ice contracts then turns to liquid! Goodness gracious, there really IS a God!

I am a non-Atheist myself, but biology explains how the reproductive process works, so to the atheist this is no mystery.

Actually, not "to the atheist"; but to the "educated" there is no mystery how the reproductive system works.

Personally, I have come to believe that there are nature entities/spirits involved in the evolution of life.

That "belief" is fine, I guess, but that doesn't constitute evidence.

but the reasonableness and likelihood of a fully materialistic explanation is a much more challenging issue than explaining how a chicken develops in the egg.

So we take the easy way out and juxtapose God? Fortunately, those who discovered the causes of disease and looked for naturalistic cures (instead of inserting "god") didn't agree. It's wonderful to be able to go to a clinic for evidentiary-based treatments for my ailments instead of going to Benny Henn charlatans.

Some scientists don't even agree on scientific things.

The difference is, though, that scientists don't agree based on evidence; not mere belief and interpretations of ancient scribblings.