How was god created?

[IndigoChild5559]

Assuming god is an entity is its own right, instead of a figment of the human imagination I believe it to be, how was it created? The answer, 'god was always there', is not logical, especially as many Biblical literalists state that there is an intelligent designer behind everything that exists.

Take Calculus. Learn how to deal with the infinite. Eternal things can exist. Why not eternal entities? Any god which is not eternal is not good enough to be my God.

 

[JJ50]

Take Calculus. Learn how to deal with the infinite. Eternal things can exist. Why not eternal entities? Any god which is not eternal is not good enough to be my God.

I have no idea about calculus, I was never any good at maths. Why should any god exist, they appear to be all human creations?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I have no idea about calculus, I was never any good at maths. Why should any god exist, they appear to be all human creations?

Asked and answered. Scroll back and read what I've already written.

 

[JJ50]

I have read what you have written, but there is no evidence a god is anymore than a figment of the human imagination, no one has ever provided any evidence which can be verified!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In dealing with this topic it’s important to understand our limitations. We are humans not God so do not possess God’s knowledge of Himself. We see God through human eye glasses.

But Only God can fully know Himself and His Eternal Nature. We would have to be God to fully comprehend Him and His Nature and as finite humans that’s impossible.

Prophets and Messengers speak of an Ancient Being an Eternal One but also state that God is the Unknowable Essence.

So, to summarize: it's all unknowable.
Kind of curious that your post doesn't just end there then... Sounds like declaring it "unknowable" is kind of a conversation stopper.

Through His Messengers we can know what His Will is for us is and know some of His attributes such as love, compassion, justice and so on. But more than that we don’t know.

Eum....
You JUST declared it as being unknowable. And even took your time in multiple paragraphs to express just how unknowable it is.

And then you say the above.... "..we can know.."
So which is it?

Can we or can't we?

One of both has to be wrong.

This quote is from a provisional translation of a Tablet of Baha’u’llah called the Tablet of the Manifestation. I’ll leave a link so anyone can read more if they so wish. I find it fascinating and very deep and enlightening.In it Baha’u’llah states that........

In every world, He appears according to the capacity of that world.

Verily, were God the Exalted to appear in His (proper) grade and form, and in a manner befitting His Station, no one could ever approach Him or endure to be near Him.

No other save Himself can know Him, and no one can ever approach Him!

So what we see of God is not God as He really is but tailored to our capacity. So in the human world He sends Prophets in human form so we can relate to Him but God is not human. The term God always was is beyond our comprehension because only God has knowledge of His Eternal Being always having existed.we cannot imagine eternity because we were born not unborn as God is.

So apparantly Baha'u'llah knows the unknowable?

I always chuckle when people declare things unknowable and then proceed with making.... knowledge claims.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Not if Baha’u’llah is a Manifestation of God it’s not.

False. It is, unless you can demonstrate your claims.
But you can't, so it is.

If He is then He’s telling the truth and that explains a lot. He’s telling us we are wasting our time trying to figure out something we can never know. We are human. We have limitations. Common sense really.

I certaintly agree that hunting entities that are indistinguishable from imaginary beings, is a waste of time.

 

[Phaedrus]

The god concept is no different than any other fictional concept, having been created by man's imagination.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So, to summarize: it's all unknowable.
Kind of curious that your post doesn't just end there then... Sounds like declaring it "unknowable" is kind of a conversation stopper.



Eum....
You JUST declared it as being unknowable. And even took your time in multiple paragraphs to express just how unknowable it is.

And then you say the above.... "..we can know.."
So which is it?

Can we or can't we?

One of both has to be wrong.




So apparantly Baha'u'llah knows the unknowable?

I always chuckle when people declare things unknowable and then proceed with making.... knowledge claims.

Firstly, God is not a human being as we are. We can not communicate directly with Him in His natural form so He sends His Representatives, His Prophets and Messengers in human form as Mediators to communicate with us according to our own capacity.

Verily, were God the Exalted to appear in His (proper) grade and form, and in a manner befitting His Station, no one could ever approach Him or endure to be near Him.

In every world, He appears according to the capacity of that world. For example, in the world of spirits He manifests Himself to them and appears unto them with the signs of the Spirit. So, likewise, in bodies in the world of names and attributes;

So at various times in history God has sent Messengers to assist us to grow and develop spiritually and to carry forward an ever advancing civilisation and to let us know of His existence and love for us.

No tie of direct intercourse can possibly bind Him to His creatures.

He is and hath ever been veiled in the ancient eternity of His Essence, and will remain in His Reality everlastingly hidden from the sight of men.

All we are told about God comes from These Manifestations. They tell us that God’s Essence is incomprehensible to all even Themselves but that God has revealed to us through Them knowledge of some of His attributes like love justice, mercy, compassion and so on and offers guidance to us as we evolve and progress.

Words in italic are all from Baha’u’llah’s Writings.

In a provisional translation He explains more about God and our limitations to know Him.

Tablet of the Manifestation

 

[JJ50]

No one knows any thing that is factual about a god, which in all probability doesn't exist.

 

[SalixIncendium]

No one knows any thing that is factual about a god, which in all probability doesn't exist.

The irony of this statement made me laugh.

 

[JJ50]

The irony of this statement made me laugh.

Why?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Why?

You claim to have knowledge of what every being on earth knows about a god, which is you state is nothing, and then go on to say that such a god in all probability doesn't exist.

Please tell me that you don't see the irony (and arrogance) in that statement.

 

[JJ50]

You claim to have knowledge of what every being on earth knows about a god, which is you state is nothing, and then go on to say that such a god in all probability doesn't exist.

Please tell me that you don't see the irony (and arrogance) in that statement.

No one knows for sure if any god exists, if they say they do they are in error, imo.

 

[SalixIncendium]

No one knows for sure if any god exists...

For this statement to be true, you will have to have spoken individually to every being on earth about their knowledge of the existence of any god.

 

[JJ50]

For this statement to be true, you will have to have spoken individually to every being on earth about their knowledge of the existence of any god.

In my opinion humans have created gods, and they only exist in the mind of believers. If any of them existed surely there would be verifiable evidence to prove their existence.

 

[SalixIncendium]

No one knows any thing that is factual about a god, which in all probability doesn't exist.

In my opinion humans have created gods, and they only exist in the mind of believers. If any of them existed surely there would be verifiable evidence to prove their existence.

So make up your mind, then. Do they do exist or don't they exist?

 

[JJ50]

So make up your mind, then. Do they do exist or don't they exist?

I think I have stated my opinion quite clearly.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I think I have stated my opinion quite clearly.

Since you choose to ignore my question, I'll conclude that you cannot answer it.

 

[JJ50]

Since you choose to ignore my question, I'll conclude that you cannot answer it.

No one can know for sure if a god exists or not, but as there is no verifiable evidence to support their existence, the default position must be that they don't exist, imo. Is that clear enough for you?

 

[SalixIncendium]

No one can know for sure if a god exists or not, but as there is no verifiable evidence to support their existence, the default position must be that they don't exist, imo. Is that clear enough for you?

No.

If no one can know for sure if a gods exists or not and there is no evidence to support their existence or non-existence, how is “they don’t exist” the default position? Especially in light of the fact that you said yourself in post #95 that they do exist.