So you're saying you have go a little further and read things into it.
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How We Know the Bible is God's Inspired Word
- Thread starter rusra02
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So you're saying you have go a little further and read things into it.
That sounds like good advice. Unfortunately, it isn't in those proverbs. They say nothing about discernment; they both give blanket (and contradictory) statements.
I think you're approaching the text with the presupposition that it cannot contradict itself, which leads you to have to do these mental gymnastics to reconcile the two verse with each other rather than accept a straightforward interpretation of the text.
BTW - there's another contradiction still waiting for someone to respond to:
not nom
Well-Known Member
in this case, by not facing them, but simply making up a strawman. that is exactly what you are accusing others of -- judging stuff without even knowing it. the irony train rolls on..
A book alone does not prove God exists. Books about false gods certainly cannot prove they exist. But all the things God created are strong proof of his existence. (Romans 1:20)
The supposed "contradictions" you cite above not contradictions, but rather your own misunderstanding and misinterpretation of what the Scriptures says. I will take the last one as an example:
Exodus 31:17 does not say God is tired. You incorrectly inferred that it does. Genesis 2:2 says that "he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made." God finished his creative work toward the earth during the six creative 'days' and now rested from further creative works. He did not do so because he was tired. John 5:17 quotes Jesus as saying: "My Father has kept working until now." His rest, therefore, simply refers to his cessation of physical creation respecting the earth. As Isaiah 40:28 says: "[God] does not tire out or grow weary."
The other so-called contradictions you cite are also based on your mistaken views, not on what the Scriptures actually say.
not nom
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nice try.
Yes, very amusing. This is what youre saying: Books about gods that dont exist do not prove that they exist, but God exists because he created things. The first statement is a worthless tautology it tells us what is already blindly obvious, and the second statement assumes the truth of what is asserted.
Ahem! The quotes above simply serve to confirm the contradiction. I can find no definition of rested that applies in this context and means anything different from this: Cease work or movement in order to relax, refresh oneself, or recover strength. Or this: An instance or period of relaxing or ceasing to engage in strenuous or stressful activity.
You damage the credibility of your faith by resorting to such obfuscation.
Then please explain in what way they are so-called contradictions?
Yes, I am saying (more importantly, the Bible says) God exists, that he created all things, and those created things reveal his wisdom and almighty power.
And you think that because of the dictionary definition of 'rest' that Almighty God is bound by that definition? The Bible explains that God's rest was not because he was tired. Concerning the nation of Israel, the Bible states: "For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, God would not afterward have spoken of another day. So there remains a sabbath resting for the people of God. For the man that has entered into God's rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, for fear anyone should fall in the same pattern of disobedience."(Hebrews 4:8-11)
Obviously, literal rest as 'cease work or movement' is not meant here, since the Bible writer urges us to 'do our utmost to enter into [God's] rest. These verses clearly show that men of faith cease from their 'own works' but do not cease working.
Due to time constraints, I don't think I'll do that. Tell you what. You pick one and I'll do the one you select. Your choice.
You know that I'm still waiting for you to explain how someone can act by God and not be known by God, right?
Trey of Diamonds
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Really? :sarcastic Because I thought it was pitiful.
Me Myself
Back to my username
By misinterpratation you mean correct reading comprehension?
Because hs cited you texts that for anyone would be clearly contradictory on each other. If that was not the bible but any other book and that was not "God" but "Thor" I would asure you people would read them as contradictions.
the fact you cannot see them as such reveals your bias.
You have it back to front. First show how God exists and then you can attribute whatever you like to his 'wisdom and almighty power.' Once again, for the Bible to be God's 'inspired word' it is first necessary for him to exist, and that proof cannot without circularity come from the Bible.
I'm saying to you there is no other meaning that can be applied to the term 'rest', given the context in which it was written.
Exodus 31:17:
''It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.'
No, not 'obviously'. "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his." Heb 4-9
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Tell you what, why not do all of 'em, one by one or all together, just as you like?
It is not that the Bible is confusing. In fact, it is written in a way people of all educational levels, cultures, and time periods can grasp it's message. Still, the Bible contains the thoughts of the grand Creator. Of him Isaiah 55:9 says: "For the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." It should therefore not surprise us that we may not understand easily all that is in the Bible, or not fully understand why God acted in a certain way.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Your two points seem to contradict each other there: is it easy to understand or not?
On the contrary, I think it would be very surprising if we can't understand it easily. Human authors can be very effective at writing to the level of understanding of their audience; how much more could we expect from an author who is infinitely wise and infinitely more capable of expressing himself?
InChrist
Free4ever
As another contributor has pointed out, what you've written above is self-contradictory. The Bible cannot both be, and not be, written in a way that all people can understand.
waitasec
Veteran Member
InChrist
Free4ever
and of course you know the reason, right?
Actually, I should re-word my statement and say much of the Bible is confusing, but not all of it because certain information is very clear. Yes, I do know the reason for this because it is explained in the scriptures. I also had personal experience going from a state of confusion when reading the Bible to a place of understanding, although there is still much more I don't understand.