Humans are still evolving...

[petewentz]

May be this is true but that doesn't explain macro-evolution between different classes and species. It 's a new combination of already present genes, yet no new genetic material is added.

The Information Challenge | Australian Skeptics

Sick of this argument being used over and over again. Please read. Thank you.

 

[darkendless]

The Information Challenge | Australian Skeptics

Sick of this argument being used over and over again. Please read. Thank you.

Oh jesus they're Australian. I'm now embarrassed to be alive.

 

[gnostic]

You can see the changes among Chinese or Japanese babies being brought up in another Western country, like Australia Canada, or the US. Change in environment and diet will see son grow taller than his father and grandfather by the time the boy stop growing (at 15-17).

Although, physical traits can be the result from genetic inheritance (parents passing their genes to their child), change in environment or a simple thing such as change in diet can result be factors in changes which may not existed in child's parents' attributes.

 

[Man of Faith]

I do. Kent Hovind, for one.

I disagree, do you have any evidence to show that Kent Hovind disagrees that there are changes in allele frequencies in organisms over time?

Here is a website that has a response from Kent that shows he agrees that there are variations in organisms, with limits, but he does admit there are variations which is the same thing as a change in allel frequencies.

Actually the peppered moth is proof of design. God designed the animals to survive in any environment. If it is dark or light they can still survive. That's called planning ahead. By the way, the variations in the moth, the dark and the light variety, it's still a moth. And it has limits. They never got a pink one, or an orange one or a green one. There are limits to the variations, and it was already programmed into the code of the moth gene pool. That's not evolution.
EVOLUTION THEORY - PART ONE



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[doppelganger]

Fascinating discussion of the nature of information at that link, BTW. Well worth the read.

 

[Android]

May be this is true but that doesn't explain macro-evolution between different classes and species.

When i did my degree, I never once heard the term micro/macro evolution. It was only when i started reading the "absurd" comments on youtube science videos that i came across these terms.

macro evolution = micro evolution + time

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Ever since we were created whole beings in one day by the creator 6,000 years ago we have been evolving.

You've already been shown to be incorrect on this point yet you continue to prattle on with the same old bronze age pseudoscience.

Both creationists and evolutionists accept that.

This false and a blatant lie. I do not accept your creation myth at all....

 

[outhouse]

Here is a website that has a response from Kent that shows he agrees that there are variations in organisms, with limits, but he does admit there are variations which is the same thing as a change in allel frequencies.

kent is speaking from ignorance with the subject at hand and you posted nothing about his stance on the subject, just your twisted your own interpretation of ignorance to fit your needs.

 

[Copernicus]

Yes, but in which direction? What I find scary is that creationists tend to have large families.

 

[Thief]

Humans are still evolving....yes.

Didn't see it though....
There is now man-made influence.

Genetically altered food sources...the effects over lengthy time not known yet.

Medicine....that we alter our chemistry for a huge variety of causes.

Environment...our buildings shelter us....and therefore affect our bodies.

Etc...etc...etc...

Some of what we are...is now in our hands.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Actually the peppered moth is proof of design. God designed the animals to survive in any environment. If it is dark or light they can still survive. That's called planning ahead. By the way, the variations in the moth, the dark and the light variety, it's still a moth. And it has limits. They never got a pink one, or an orange one or a green one. There are limits to the variations, and it was already programmed into the code of the moth gene pool. That's not evolution.
EVOLUTION THEORY - PART ONE
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I never read such a massive load of bullcrap in all my life. It's almost as if this person doesn't even remotely understand evolution theory.

Oh, it's Kent Hovind. That explains it.

 

[outhouse]

Some of what we are...is now in our hands.

I think a better statement is

some of what we will become ''''' is now in our hands.



changes with evolution are slight and we could go on millions of years despite slight enviromental changes

 

[Vile Atheist]

I disagree, do you have any evidence to show that Kent Hovind disagrees that there are changes in allele frequencies in organisms over time?

Here is a website that has a response from Kent that shows he agrees that there are variations in organisms, with limits, but he does admit there are variations which is the same thing as a change in allel frequencies.

Actually the peppered moth is proof of design. God designed the animals to survive in any environment. If it is dark or light they can still survive. That's called planning ahead. By the way, the variations in the moth, the dark and the light variety, it's still a moth. And it has limits. They never got a pink one, or an orange one or a green one. There are limits to the variations, and it was already programmed into the code of the moth gene pool. That's not evolution.
EVOLUTION THEORY - PART ONE
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Kent Hovind also said:

Charles Darwin said women bred the hair off of the men - because why aren't men as hairy as apes? - Darwin said women prefer less hairy men and so they were able to get more mating opportunities - Darwin said in The Descent of Man - what an idiot [sic] idea - then why don't the women have beards, Darwin?
Truth Radio 2 October 2006 @ 19:45 (Tape 2)

If I understand this quote correctly, Hovind thinks that hair prevalence is not governed by allele frequency but that women were designed to be less hairy than men by God. Most of his whole schtick (and Ray Comfort's) is that everything was designed. If everything was designed as such, that implies he doesn't think that changes in allele frequency happen. Perhaps I am misinterpreting Kent Hovind and Ray Comfort, but that's what it seems like. The quote you provided is more of a deviation from his usual schtick, probably as an ad hoc objection to the peppered moth story.


Kent Hovind also said:

You know how lawyers will say things in ten thousand words just to make it confusing? I think you're wanting to define science in ten thousand words just so you can somehow make evolution part of it. [...] Explain to me how an amoeba turned to a blue whale over three billion years. [...]
Truth Radio 31 August 2006 @ 55:00 (Tape 2)

For an amoeba to turn into a blue whale over three billion years, that would require MASSIVE changes in allele frequencies. Hovind is implying that this doesn't happen.

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[blackout]

Haha, true! Let's just hope it doesn't happen.

I want 6 arms like your beautiful blue goddess!
REALLY! :yes:

(or was it eight... :areyoucra) lol

 

[Thief]

I think a better statement is

some of what we will become ''''' is now in our hands.



changes with evolution are slight and we could go on millions of years despite slight enviromental changes

So you would agree....
An intelligence can have influence...and can change the course of Man?

 

[Jose Fly]

If Kent Hovind told me it was sunny outside, I would grab an umbrella.

 

[Oneatatime]

For those who understand evolution:

No we aren't going to grow an arm on our head.

Evolution is a change in allele frequency in the population.

Evolution is happening right now, in front of us.

What if we mess around with the hox genes? Couldn't we grow an arm our of head that way? Work in fruit flies.

 

[outhouse]

So you would agree....
An intelligence can have influence...and can change the course of Man?

im not going to spoon feed you something you can twist, but man can change his evolutionary path.

If man colonizes space due to the planet not being habitable, would definatly bring on a rapid change to the species.

remember for evolution 10,000 - 20,000 years would be a short time.


you have to look at homo erectus who lived for a million years with little change. His enviroment changed dramatically during that period but eventually something kicked and they evolved.

 

[Oneatatime]

im not going to spoon feed you something you can twist, but man can change his evolutionary path.

If man colonizes space due to the planet not being habitable, would definatly bring on a rapid change to the species.

remember for evolution 10,000 - 20,000 years would be a short time.


you have to look at homo erectus who lived for a million years with little change. His enviroment changed dramatically during that period but eventually something kicked and they evolved.

A large-scale move to space could drive us to extinction. Life in space represents a massive change in our environment which evolution may not have time to adapt us to meaning we need to resort to technology. There is an experiment going on at the moment to see if bacteria can successfully colonise a squid in orbit because there is concern that this environment affects the bacterial colonies of larger organisms, including humans.

This is just one of many potential or real problems with life in space. We evolved under gravity and its a big step to remove outselves from its influence.

 

[outhouse]

A large-scale move to space could drive us to extinction. Life in space represents a massive change in our environment which evolution may not have time to adapt us to meaning we need to resort to technology. There is an experiment going on at the moment to see if bacteria can successfully colonise a squid in orbit because there is concern that this environment affects the bacterial colonies of larger organisms, including humans.

This is just one of many potential or real problems with life in space. We evolved under gravity and its a big step to remove outselves from its influence.

understood but it could still drive evolution to a change due to a severe condition difference.

dietary needs, ect ect all play a huge role