Humans are still evolving...

[camanintx]

Linear existence...you and I....one moment to another...

God is Spirit.
If He moves from one moment to another...it is, that He moves with you.

This assumes that "time" is more than a concept invented to make the mathematics of physics easier to solve. Since we have no evidence that anything other than "now" actually exists, your concept of a non-linear God fails.

 

[Android]

Friends,
It is a very interesting discussion here; however having no background in the scientific part of the discussion can only share the personal understanding of life.
Consciousness is what life is all about and as we know that matter is all about vibrations and so any mutation of genetic changes that happens are all changes in vibrations and this change happens due to the present consolidation of the total vibrations in a given environment or time/space zone.
The above is totally hypothetical but would appreciate feedback.

Love & rgds

That's a pretty interesting view of life. The only feedback I would give is, it's more about what atoms are vibrating against each other, more so than a change in the actual vibrations.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Android,

Forms change which is energy which is vibrations and the way they energy changes form is the same as any change we are speaking off.
Is it possible that when many vibrations are there in an environment there is a merger taking place and slowly there is a consolidation of the vibrations which decides on the course evolution takes up.

Love & rgds

 

[Thief]

This assumes that "time" is more than a concept invented to make the mathematics of physics easier to solve. Since we have no evidence that anything other than "now" actually exists, your concept of a non-linear God fails.

Actually...no assumption on my part....
Time is only a quotient....a number on a chalkboard.
It is only a measure of movement.
Time is not a force...or a substance.

Spiritually....time does not exist.
Spirit is eternal.
No death.

Your linear existence will end.
Your eternity is pending.
Denial will not work favorably.

 

[outhouse]

Spiritually....time does not exist.
Spirit is eternal.
No death.

how do you know this???

Your eternity is pending.

how do you know????



people who live in remote villages who have not heard the word of YOUR deity, this applys to them as well???

 

[Thief]

how do you know this???




how do you know????



people who live in remote villages who have not heard the word of YOUR deity, this applys to them as well???

No exceptions.

 

[outhouse]

No exceptions.

LOL thats just peachy

so according to you.... your god only applys to the geographic location you were born

 

[Thief]

LOL thats just peachy

so according to you.... your god only applys to the geographic location you were born

Humans are still evolving...no exceptions.

Evolution is chemistry....set in motion by God.

 

[Android]

Friend Android,

Forms change which is energy which is vibrations and the way they energy changes form is the same as any change we are speaking off.
Is it possible that when many vibrations are there in an environment there is a merger taking place and slowly there is a consolidation of the vibrations which decides on the course evolution takes up.

Love & rgds

That's pretty deep bro!
When looking at life in that scale, I'd even say there is no evolution. No you, no me, no earth, no mars. The universe is nothing more than a swirling bunch of atoms vibrating up against each other. Pure chemistry.
Although this is quite a beautiful way to see the universe, I dont find it too helpful in understanding the universe at the scale we live in.

 

[Wombat]

God is Spirit.
If He moves from one moment to another...it is, that He moves with you..

Meh.....I would have said He moves not in time or space but all things move about Him and are known to Him.

But language is- Too oft but vague shadows of meanings and my implication of 'gender' exposes that.

Physical rules are not likely to apply to Him.
They apply to us.

Agreed.....and thereby He moves not in time or space.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Android,

When looking at life in that scale, I'd even say there is no evolution. No you, no me, no earth, no mars. The universe is nothing more than a swirling bunch of atoms vibrating up against each other. Pure chemistry.
Although this is quite a beautiful way to see the universe, I dont find it too helpful in understanding the universe at the scale we live in.

Firstly that was a mix of response and reaction!
Response comes from understanding and reaction from the background noises/vibrations of the mind [thoughts].
Personally in this life am neither a physicist or a chemistry expert but its just an understanding and with the understanding breath easy as time is eternal and vibrations as forms eternally changing patterns [forms] and slowly getting back to that nothingness when individual vibrations are no more [a nirvanic state] to be free from all further births and deaths in form but who knows there could always be another circle of no-forms which is more dynamic and fast changing.
Love & rgds

 

[zenzero]

Friend Android,

Would not a merger of various sound vibrations lead to an outcome of a melody??

Love & rgds

 

[Android]

Friend Android,

Would not a merger of various sound vibrations lead to an outcome of a melody??

Love & rgds

That plus time.... yeah i guess so.
We seem to be heading into philosophy now, which, although fascinating, isn't really my area of expertise.

 

[Noaidi]

Let's run with that.

If you were God.....
After the creation you would declare all of your handiwork good.
(pat on the back)

You would then realize....you are alone.
No one heard you say...'I am'.

Creating another 'you'...as spirit...is no more than a mirror image.
You end up talking to yourself.

There would be nothing else to work with other than the physical substance
expanding in every direction.

So you pick a piece of it...suitable.
No extreme temperatures....no excessive wind....no violent reactions...
You pick Earth.

And into this you install life.
After a while, you pick a form ...suitable...and install...a soul.

Evolution is only God's hand...tweaking the basic design.

Well, that's a nice story, and it's your prerogative to believe it, but an ancient story isn't really evidence, is it? If you see intelligence behind tidal movements and chemistry, fine, but perhaps you could offer a bit more in terms of verifiable evidence beyond the particular ancient text that appeals to you.

 

[camanintx]

Actually...no assumption on my part....
Time is only a quotient....a number on a chalkboard.
It is only a measure of movement.
Time is not a force...or a substance.

If you agree that time is only a measurement of movement, then how is a non-linear being any more logical than a square circle? If anything causes another thing to happen, then there is linearity in it's time frame.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

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YouTube - ‪Tool-Making Crows‬‏

Loved it because it reinforces my point that man as well as other animals aren't that much different. The bird's brain is obviously small but for it to d what it did shows that it can reason and think analytically.

 

[AfterGlow]

You are quite wrong. Adaptation is a gradual process and it is directional. Radical changes in the environment can change the direction (even reverse it), but, other things being equal, the environment selects for optimal traits. That is what gives "direction" to evolution.

What gives the illusion of direction Copernicus, is the fact that you are looking at an organism, say a bird with a long tail, and with the gift of hindsight you see a direct line back through it's ancestors observing tails getting smaller back through time. Evolution doesn't take an attribute and develop it, it doesn't steer a species towards some imagined optimal goal, these are simply imaginings of the human mind. Evolution operates in the moment, selecting out whichever individuals fall prey to whatever pressures happen to be prevalent at the time. Evolution doesn't have a reverse, nor a forward momentum, it's merely the process of change. Non-goal orientated and non-directional.

You can choose to avoid the word "control" with respect to natural selection. I choose not to.

Fair enough.

 

[Thief]

Well, that's a nice story, and it's your prerogative to believe it, but an ancient story isn't really evidence, is it? If you see intelligence behind tidal movements and chemistry, fine, but perhaps you could offer a bit more in terms of verifiable evidence beyond the particular ancient text that appeals to you.

What I wrote did not come from ancient text.
It's not a story.

You might call it...intuitive thinking....on my part.

Evidence?...of God?...again that same foolish demand.

Won't happen....no experiments...no photos...no fingerprints.....nada.

As demonstrated in my previous post.....
What you believe of God....
You just have to think about it.

 

[Thief]

If you agree that time is only a measurement of movement, then how is a non-linear being any more logical than a square circle?....(poor comparison) If anything causes another thing to happen, then there is linearity in it's time frame.

Piror to the 'big bang'....there is no movement....no time.

Once the universe begins to expand....movement takes hold.
Measuring the movement will eventually happen.

As for the Creator....
The lack of physical substance results in a lack of location.
(where is God?)
Lack of location....lack of measure.

Does that mean he is unaware of our linear existence?
(what is Man that God is mindful of him?)
Does that mean He is unable to work within the structure He created?

How about?...He is eternal...from the beginning He created, and forever more.

 

[Copernicus]

What gives the illusion of direction Copernicus, is the fact that you are looking at an organism, say a bird with a long tail, and with the gift of hindsight you see a direct line back through it's ancestors observing tails getting smaller back through time. Evolution doesn't take an attribute and develop it, it doesn't steer a species towards some imagined optimal goal, these are simply imaginings of the human mind. Evolution operates in the moment, selecting out whichever individuals fall prey to whatever pressures happen to be prevalent at the time. Evolution doesn't have a reverse, nor a forward momentum, it's merely the process of change. Non-goal orientated and non-directional.

If you had read what I said carefully, then you would have seen that I was saying the same thing. Our only disagreement has been in the way we choose to describe it. Evolution enables adaptation, and adaptation is inherently directional. It does not really help to say that the direction of evolution is an illusion, because, if you want to split semantic hairs, most of what we perceive and think about the world is illusion.