Humans: The Mind of God in the body of an Animal

[Octavia156]

I think there are clear aspects of the human mind that separate us distinctly from the world of beasts.

One of them is the abilty of the human mind to Create both physical Art and non-physical Ideas

I think this makes us Gods.

 

[Pozessed]

God is the intelligence that created the universe. How does anything we do compare?

 

[rusra02]

I think there are clear aspects of the human mind that separate us distinctly from the world of beasts.

One of them is the abilty of the human mind to Create both physical Art and non-physical Ideas

I think this makes us Gods.

No, it means we are created with a measure of God's attributes, as Genesis 1:26 confirms: "let us make man in our image, according to our likeness." But we are not gods. Haughty men have often claimed that title for themselves. To the king of Tyre Jehovah said these words: "you keep saying, 'I am a god. In the seat of god I have seated myself, in the heart of the open sea,' whereas an earthling man is what you are and not a god." (Ezekiel 28:2)

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[Octavia156]

"let us make man in our image, according to our likeness."

us? The Elohim? or are you a polytheist?

I can still create new things therefore i am at least more like a god than an animal

 

[Octavia156]

God is the intelligence that created the universe. How does anything we do compare?

well we created a few elements.... that compares...

a god may have created a universe out of 3 particles and 4 forces... but it didn't make plastic, or the mona lisa - we did...

i think aggregates are definitely comparable.

 

[Pozessed]

well we created a few elements.... that compares...

a god may have created a universe out of 3 particles and 4 forces... but it didn't make plastic, or the mona lisa - we did...

i think aggregates are definitely comparable.

My opinion is that if you think of you yourself as a god instead of a branch of God you will always be blinded by a somewhat arrogant and/or ignorant wit that leads to a build up of blinded knowledge of which leads to blind beliefs.
I don't know if that is a good explanation or not but I wouldn't mind reiterating.

 

[Noaidi]

I think there are clear aspects of the human mind that separate us distinctly from the world of beasts.

One of them is the abilty of the human mind to Create both physical Art and non-physical Ideas

I think this makes us Gods.

I disagree. It only makes us animals with these abilities. Great attributes to have, to be sure, but still just products of our animal brains.

 

[Iti oj]

I think there are clear aspects of the human mind that separate us distinctly from the world of beasts.

One of them is the abilty of the human mind to Create both physical Art and non-physical Ideas

I think this makes us Gods.

Lhp much? Phhh thelma guess soo. Teheheh.

 

[Quintessence]

I think there are clear aspects of the human mind that separate us distinctly from the world of beasts.

I don't. Differences are a matter of degree, not of kind. The line is fuzzy at best.

One of them is the abilty of the human mind to Create both physical Art and non-physical Ideas

You haven't seen these bird nests, have you? Yes. That was made by a bird. There are other examples I could list, but clearly aesthetics (the foundation of art) is not limited to the human species. As for non-physical ideas? Given all the research that has been done on the intelligence of non-human animals, it's pretty darned likely they can do this too.

I think this makes us Gods.

Whatever floats your boat. Personally, I think it's a moot point since everything is gods (sacred/divine/magical/spiritual) anyway.

 

[Madhuri]

I don't think that the human mind compares with that of God, at least not based by most definitions of God.

However yes, there is a significant advancement in human mental capacity compared with other animal species. I find that fascinating too.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I think there are clear aspects of the human mind that separate us distinctly from the world of beasts.

One of them is the abilty of the human mind to Create both physical Art and non-physical Ideas

I think this makes us Gods.

Sounds like a rather weak definition of God.

 

[jtartar]

I think there are clear aspects of the human mind that separate us distinctly from the world of beasts.

One of them is the abilty of the human mind to Create both physical Art and non-physical Ideas

I think this makes us Gods.

Octavia,
God created man so that he could enjoy the beautiful world that God had made for mankind. God never meant for men to die, so He put into man a brain that could go on learning forever. This is a much greater capacity than he would need if he was going to only live for a few years and die. The ONLY way that man could die was to disobey God, Gen 2:17.
There are many things that the human brain does that no beast does. The whole prefrontal cortex of the brain is far greater than any animal has, and in this part of the brain is where higher intelligence comes from. Just think of all the things that we enjoy that animals cannot, beautiful sunsets, music, in fact all of the beautiful scenery of God's creation. We also have the ability to love, the ability to think about the future and plan for it. We only, realize that we are going to die, and we only, realize that something exists that is greater than we are and many search for the one who created all these things, our God, whose proper name is Jehovah.
It is true that God made man in His image, not that we look like Him, but that we have, in very small amounts, His qualities, mainly Love, Justice, power, and wisdom.
God made mankind perfect, and put within him a system so that his cells would die and reproduce themselves perfectly so that man would not appear to age, but when Adam sinned against God he became imperfect, and this defect he passed on to all his progeny, which is the reason why we die. God has made a way for us to regain that lost perfection, and that is by having faith in the ransom of God's son, Jesus Christ, and obeying his word, The Bible. In a very short time from now, Jesus will come back to this earth and set up his Kingdom in which all alive will grow back to perfection, and also bring the earth back to the beautiful condition of the Garden of Eden.

 

[Octavia156]

You haven't seen these bird nests, have you? Yes. That was made by a bird. There are other examples I could list, but clearly aesthetics (the foundation of art) is not limited to the human species. As for non-physical ideas? Given all the research that has been done on the intelligence of non-human animals, it's pretty darned likely they can do this too.

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This is not Art this is simply a product of biosurvival. The fact that we find it asthetically pleasing adds to my point.
An animal could produce a spectcular **** - we might admire it, but to that animal its just ****.
Show me an example of an animal creating Art for Art's sake.

 

[Quintessence]

This is not Art this is simply a product of biosurvival. The fact that we find it asthetically pleasing adds to my point.
An animal could produce a spectcular **** - we might admire it, but to that animal its just ****.

How do you know this is the case? That to nonhuman animals it is just ****? (I have no clue what word you put there)
It can be argued that human art is also simply a product of biosurvival. Look at what a good job it does of attracting mates!

 

[Looncall]

This is not Art this is simply a product of biosurvival. The fact that we find it asthetically pleasing adds to my point.
An animal could produce a spectcular **** - we might admire it, but to that animal its just ****.
Show me an example of an animal creating Art for Art's sake.

I gather that elephants have produced very good art when given the opportunity.

This arrogant separation of humanity from the natural world is one of the most noxious effects of some religions.

 

[Octavia156]

show me the Elephant Art!

animals don't make art - its not arrogant, its an observation that provides evidence for a distinction to be made between the sapiens mind and the rest of the beasts.

 

[idav]

show me the Elephant Art!

animals don't make art - its not arrogant, its an observation that provides evidence for a distinction to be made between the sapiens mind and the rest of the beasts.

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ORIGINAL Elephant Painting - YouTube

 

[Octavia156]

How do you know this is the case? That to nonhuman animals it is just ****? (I have no clue what word you put there)
It can be argued that human art is also simply a product of biosurvival. Look at what a good job it does of attracting mates!

I'm saying, yes many animals create man asthetically pleasing objects as a product of their biosurvival and genetic programming. The athesitics lie in the eye of the beholder. Does the bird make a pretty nest instead of a plain looking one on purpose? For no other reason than for his own pleasure - or the pleasure of others?

Does the spider admire his web or does he just think of it as his tool... to us its a fascinating structure - to him its just his most recent trap, the road he made. or most liekly he thinks not at all.

Just because animals create pretty things doesn't make them Artists

 

[Octavia156]

Art is what we do in our down time.

Animals don't have downtime.
They are either resting or surviving.

 

[Adramelek]

I think there are clear aspects of the human mind that separate us distinctly from the world of beasts.

One of them is the abilty of the human mind to Create both physical Art and non-physical Ideas

I think this makes us Gods.

This is what I call the Gift of Set, the Essence of the Black Flame enshrined within mankind. Thanks Octavia, you do get it.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\
Gnothi seauton!